Drag/Acceleration Weight of the worlds fastest Stinger....

[Angel]

With that being said... we are here. We are making progress with the ECU and still to date, we are the only shop active in tune development that owns a shop Stinger. That should show you we are committed to the market, yet for some reason... we still get beef from the forum members.

This community lacks very basic tuning knowledge. Example... gapping the spark plugs down to .022 is completely unnecessary. But, everyone who buys a piggy back has to close the gap up to that, or something similar. Now, Terry will say something about coils or plugs getting to hot, or some other excuse. Yet, we have cars running upwards of 24 psi and still running .032 to .028 gap. No one ever asks, "how is this possible", or "how come the piggy back cannot run plug gaps like that". In a community that is tuning savvy knows why, they know that excuses for spark blow out do not come from "magic" or other piggy back tuning anomaly's.

I have said it from the beginning, its going to take 2 to 3 years before the Stinger community catches on to the BS the piggy back excuses. I have made my attempts to educate the community and it has fallen on deaf ears/computer screens. So... we wait.

Remember, competition only breeds a better product for your market.

What is the reason for gapping the plugs to .022?

 

[Sales@Tork]

What is the reason for gapping the plugs to .022?

The piggyback cannot change the coil dwell time.

 

[Angel]

The piggyback cannot change the coil dwell time.

Is that why piggy back’s require tighter gaps on plugs and do you guys ecu tune change that ? What gap do you recommend to run with ecu tune?

 

[StungBlueGT2]

So, my experience and my word are worth nothing on this forum? I have to prove everything I do, yet Terry gets a pass on all the dumb shit he says? Uhg, screen shots attached of both 16 psi and a video of what 25 + psi looks like

The 16 psi target was hit after 4 repeated passes in 5th gear, we were testing adaptive.

No, you comments are not fact based... the are facts that you believe because you are talking about factors and ECU limits you do not understand. So, to you... they may be factual, to me... they are misinformation. No I didn't prove you point, I corrected your misinformation. Again... the 20 psi limit is not the limit of the turbos, but its the limit of the ECU, that is a more accurate statement.

Wait...what? And you have seen TonkaBobs tune? You know the parameters we are testing? So, you are now making assumptions about tuning parameters inside other tunes that you have no idea about, or whats been done, but... "that extra 2-3 psi is useless". May want to tell that to the current 1/4 mile record holder

Lets get something clear, I am not here to indirectly do anything. If I have a point to make, it will be direct and stated as such. I am done being nice to the Stinger market because a few people in this Stinger market have made the Stinger experience suck for me as a tuner.

Maybe Tonka is running slower trap speeds because I want him to run slower trap speeds? Maybe we would rather chase the 330 ft mark times, vs high trap speeds because every .1 off the first 330 ft is worth more to me in ET than trap speeds. Lets be honest, who races on the street and focuses on "trap speeds" A true fast street car is a red light to red light monster, not "we have 2 MPH more in trap speed", LOL!!!

If you were trying to help, you would ask experts in the Stinger ECU to come forward and explain somethings. Or, pick up a damn book and start reading about the SIM2K ECU operation. Instead, we get people making stupid speculation based off Terry's "this is how a BMW does it" and that only generates more stupid speculation. I ran 11.98 at 119 MPH a year ago, this was with 290 maps inside my map index. Now, I have 700 + maps and a lot of additional testing that we need to get done to drive even deeper into the 11.

Wow. You seem even more butthurt, jealous, unnecessarily angry, etc. than Tonka and I was actually thanking you for the information.SMH...

Nothing against your word, experience or whatever you are trying to insinuate. It doesn’t matter who you are...an outlandish or unbelievable comment needs to be verified with facts and that’s all I asked for. Unfortunately, now you look even more shady by providing an image cropped so much that it has no context of a stock Stinger, or even Stinger at all. If you were being honest you would have provided a picture that was related to the discussion not some random picture of boost nobody can confirm...

And no Terry doesn’t get a pass, he simply provides logs, dynos, etc. with all the necessary info included in the first place. He doesn’t try to hide anything from what I’ve seen of his 1000s of posts, but sure you would have tore him a new one if he tried to get away with a similar cropped picture to explain himself out of argument.

How are my comments not fact based? I used track verified ETs & trap speeds for comparisons, and then used your evidence & explanation of hitting turbo speed limiters over 20psi. You DID prove my point with a simple explanation everyone could understand. If anyone(this includes Tonka unless your statement above is misinformation) runs over 20psi, they will hit a wall of turbo speed limiters without remapping/removing those limits within the ECU. You verified this yourself by saying you’re still working on it and can’t wait to finally put that into practice.Nuff said.

And I did tell the current “ET” 1/4m record holder the extra 2-3psi probably wasn’t helping which is why he started this argument in the first place. With his quicker 60ft & 1/4m ETs, 22psi+(Even in 1st), quicker shifts wNo throttle closer, etc. he should easily be the trap speed record holder too. But instead he’s actually not even in the top 5, and is slower than people running almost .2 worse ETs. This doesn’t make any sense and obviously something is hurting his top end speed & in turn HP. Between Terry’s dyno testing showing minimal gains over 18-19psi, and you confirming that every Stinger hits turbo speed limiters at 20psi, it makes the most sense that the extra 2-3psi is the root of the problem.

Your next statement made me LOL. “Maybe Tonka is running slower trap speeds because I want him to run slower trap speeds” Are you seriously trying to justify his slower traps(less HP) are on purpose? You mean you made him pay more $ for less HP??? Just so you could brag about the quickest ET? Amazing, and that says a lot in it self.

Also, everybody knows most street races are on the roll, and those races are almost always won by the higher HP cars or cars with higher traps speeds. Tonkas higher boost in 1st, but lower boost in 2nd-8th gears will work against him so you literally set him up for failure.

And finally, I was trying to help but wasn’t about to go get a degree in tuning when he could have easily asked his own tuner why he was slower than the other top 5 on the 1/4m thread. Luckily now everyone knows why, unfortunately it took you digging your own grave and alienating even more potential customers just to rant nonsense and illogical reasons to justify being slower.

I was one of your last few supporters on here but good to know your “done being nice to the Stinger market” and hope your 1 Stinger customer was worth all your time, money and efforts you’ve put in. It’s a shame you just couldn’t be a team player so I wish you good luck and good night...

 

[Angel]

Let’s not get distracted that the NBA champions are from Canada!

 

[Sales@Tork]

Is that why piggy back’s require tighter gaps on plugs and do you guys ecu tune change that ? What gap do you recommend to run with ecu tune?

Yes we are able to change them inside the ECU

 

[Angel]

Yes we are able to change them inside the ECU

Is that the reason why piggybacks need to have tighter plug gaps and ecu tunes don’t? Is that the cause of spark plug blow by? Can give a little more info on that ?

 

[TorkMe]

Wow. You seem even more butthurt, jealous, unnecessarily angry, etc. than Tonka and I was actually thanking you for the information.SMH...

Nothing against your word, experience or whatever you are trying to insinuate. It doesn’t matter who you are...an outlandish or unbelievable comment needs to be verified with facts and that’s all I asked for. Unfortunately, now you look even more shady by providing an image cropped so much that it has no context of a stock Stinger, or even Stinger at all. If you were being honest you would have provided a picture that was related to the discussion not some random picture of boost nobody can confirm...

And no Terry doesn’t get a pass, he simply provides logs, dynos, etc. with all the necessary info included in the first place. He doesn’t try to hide anything from what I’ve seen of his 1000s of posts, but sure you would have tore him a new one if he tried to get away with a similar cropped picture to explain himself out of argument.

How are my comments not fact based? I used track verified ETs & trap speeds for comparisons, and then used your evidence & explanation of hitting turbo speed limiters over 20psi. You DID prove my point with a simple explanation everyone could understand. If anyone(this includes Tonka unless your statement above is misinformation) runs over 20psi, they will hit a wall of turbo speed limiters without remapping/removing those limits within the ECU. You verified this yourself by saying you’re still working on it and can’t wait to finally put that into practice.Nuff said.

And I did tell the current “ET” 1/4m record holder the extra 2-3psi probably wasn’t helping which is why he started this argument in the first place. With his quicker 60ft & 1/4m ETs, 22psi+(Even in 1st), quicker shifts wNo throttle closer, etc. he should easily be the trap speed record holder too. But instead he’s actually not even in the top 5, and is slower than people running almost .2 worse ETs. This doesn’t make any sense and obviously something is hurting his top end speed & in turn HP. Between Terry’s dyno testing showing minimal gains over 18-19psi, and you confirming that every Stinger hits turbo speed limiters at 20psi, it makes the most sense that the extra 2-3psi is the root of the problem.

Your next statement made me LOL. “Maybe Tonka is running slower trap speeds because I want him to run slower trap speeds” Are you seriously trying to justify his slower traps(less HP) are on purpose? You mean you made him pay more $ for less HP??? Just so you could brag about the quickest ET? Amazing, and that says a lot in it self.

Also, everybody knows most street races are on the roll, and those races are almost always won by the higher HP cars or cars with higher traps speeds. Tonkas higher boost in 1st, but lower boost in 2nd-8th gears will work against him so you literally set him up for failure.

And finally, I was trying to help but wasn’t about to go get a degree in tuning when he could have easily asked his own tuner why he was slower than the other top 5 on the 1/4m thread. Luckily now everyone knows why, unfortunately it took you digging your own grave and alienating even more potential customers just to rant nonsense and illogical reasons to justify being slower.

I was one of your last few supporters on here but good to know your “done being nice to the Stinger market” and hope your 1 Stinger customer was worth all your time, money and efforts you’ve put in. It’s a shame you just couldn’t be a team player so I wish you good luck and good night...

Here is another video to clear up the first part of your accusation of me being, "sketchy". I think Tonka is happy with the failure and being the quickest Stinger in the nation

Didn't even bother to read the rest of your post because I think its clear what side you stand for right now.

Have a great night.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2220684778052294

 

[STINGER]

Doesn't really work and when the battery does run out of juice, every now and again you can't revive it. Can only be charged with a special charger. It's a good race car battery just know what you're signing up for.

Are you talking about Antigravity battery in particular or lithium batteries in general?

 

[Doel]

I have said it from the beginning, its going to take 2 to 3 years before the Stinger community catches on to the BS the piggy back excuses. I have made my attempts to educate the community and it has fallen on deaf ears/computer screens. So... we wait.

Remember, competition only breeds a better product for your market.

Don't let the vocal few represent the entire community. I think the majority of us, myself included, quite frankly only care about results. Because we rather sit back and watch before deciding where to spend our money, you aren't really going to hear from us. I hope you continue to innovate and push what this platform can do, as you say, competition breeds a better product for all of us. If you can put out a product that is consistently running 120-125 trap times with just a tune and bolt ons, people will flock to Tork without a doubt.

 

[Tonkabob]

Here is another video to clear up the first part of your accusation of me being, "sketchy". I think Tonka is happy with the failure and being the quickest Stinger in the nation

Didn't even bother to read the rest of your post because I think its clear what side you stand for right now.

Have a great night.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2220684778052294

Most your videos arn't commimg through. ( no longer exists or dont have permissions)
Agree on not reading the post, I have a 2 page 2 emoji limit.
Agree with Doel, 10% of the people do 80% of the posts and the quiet ones just waiting for good products or new fact based info. I try to contribute to the fact based info cause i have a unique tune and do alot of testing. Also helped expose shiftgate, boostgate, and midpipegate.

 

[STINGER]

Do you have pictures of it on the car ?

 

[Terry@BMS]

Install looks clean!

 

[Kamauxx]

Don't let the vocal few represent the entire community.

I think the problem is he doesn't have customers. He gets upset because people like their JB4s and he wants the same for himself. The reason so many people pipe up to support JB4 is simply because there's more JB4 owners. We (the forum) know of only one customer he has. Simple math says 1 person supporting a product will not be able to stand up to dozens.

If Tork wants more support on the forum they should do the necessary leg work to secure more customers. We live in a capitalist country. He has every opportunity to make his product successful. If Tork's products aren't successful the blame lays with Tork, not JB4 supporters.

More satisfied customers=more support. Simple.

10% of the people do 80% of the posts

Link to this poll?

 

[Terry@BMS]

For you flat earth conspiracy theorists I was able to check JB4 boost against a mechanical gauge this morning. Was more or less spot on. Worth noting there is a lot of variance between various mechanical gauges. I've seen gauges read as much as 1psi lower and as much as 1psi higher. If there is a trend of more gauges than not reading higher we'll happily adjust the JB4 logging scaling based on demand. There is no grand conspiracy theory to trick JB4 customers in to thinking they are running more or less boost than they are. And if we were going to do that for marketing we'd definitely make it read high. Customers always want to see boost readings higher... They always ask us how to hit "20 psi".

The JB4's boost readings are based off the boost sensor's specification sheet. Since it's an absolute sensor ambient pressure is sampled off CANbus dynamically to generate positive pressure readings.

 

[brancky3]

Jealous of what? LMAO

I'm not saying you have something to be jealous of. But if you remove yourself from the situation and read your post as an outsider you'll see what I mean.

Jealous of only having like 7 ECU sales compared to 100s (if not 1000s) probably

 

[Tonkabob]

For you flat earth conspiracy theorists I was able to check JB4 boost against a mechanical gauge this morning. Was more or less spot on. Worth noting there is a lot of variance between various mechanical gauges. I've seen gauges read as much as 1psi lower and as much as 1psi higher. If there is a trend of more gauges than not reading higher we'll happily adjust the JB4 logging scaling based on demand. There is no grand conspiracy theory to trick JB4 customers in to thinking they are running more or less boost than they are. And if we were going to do that for marketing we'd definitely make it read high. Customers always want to see boost readings higher... They always ask us how to hit "20 psi".

The JB4's boost readings are based off the boost sensor's specification sheet. Since it's an absolute sensor ambient pressure is sampled off CANbus dynamically to generate positive pressure readings.

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Thanks for posting. Looks like V10 is right on the money now.
I never thought it was done intentionally but I've seen it used more than a dozen times by owners to try to justify why Jb4 was better than Lap3 since it was as fast on less boost.

 

[Terry@BMS]

I didn't know lap3 had their app up and running yet for their customers even to monitor boost. But most of the variations just come from weather differences I think. And at what RPM you're looking at boost. When I get time I'll record a map0 log at 50f intake temps and at 140f intake temps so you can see the difference.

 

[Sales@Tork]

Jealous of only having like 7 ECU sales compared to 100s (if not 1000s) probably

The funny thing..... We may have less sales then him... Yet out tuned cars are still faster lol.. Let that sink in. Lets go off you comment with our 7 tunes sold. We have 3 top six spots?..... So ill let that sink in

 

[Sales@Tork]

The funny thing..... We may have less sales then him... Yet out tuned cars are still faster lol.. Let that sink in. Lets go off you comment with our 7 tunes sold. We have 3 top six spots?..... So ill let that sink in