Drag/Acceleration Weight of the worlds fastest Stinger....

[TorkMe]

This is a 25 psi pull just before cut, 100% throttle opening. The turbos are capable of running this much boost.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2220015084785930

 

[Sales@Tork]

This reeks of jealousy. You're like a kid arguing with his parents because he thinks they show favoritism toward his baby brother.

You're treated the way you're treated because of how you've behaved.

Jealous of what? LMAO

 

[TorkMe]

Sorry brother but you’re still incorrect because the JB4 has safegaurd’s in place to restrict boost at anything over 20psi.
And never said lower boost limits in 1st gear, although there may be. I said stock Stingers don’t hit full boost in 1st gear and from all the logs, dynos, etc yours is the only one doubling the usual 10-11psi in first.

And lastly “boost by gear” is intended to limit boost by the set amount, not increase it.

No offense but you’re trying way too hard to prove me or JB4 users wrong without the proper knowledge yourself.

Let’s all take a step back and get this thread on topic. Again we are all on the same team, even though we take or play different positions. No one position is better than another and we all get further working together as a Stinger team. The real enemy is all the non believers that we all want to prove wrong and think we should keep that as our motivation going forward. 5.0s, SSs, & SRTs are all on notice and let’s keep showing them what the Stinger is all about.

Well, we have made one example of the "safeguard" not working... I wonder how many more there are?

I have to ask, how is me working with the "Stinger Team" going to benefit me? I give information, post maps, pictures, logs and "prove" myself with these facts... yet, Terry gets a pass with "canbus and this is how BMW does it" all the time. That is not information, that is not being part of the team, that is an answer that you give, when you don't know how the system works. Yet.... jolly ho Stinger Team?

 

[TorkMe]

I have several of Dabears logs showing 23,24,25 PSI. ecu_psi = 20.1, target=6, Boost = 25.1. I guess the safeguards don't always work.

But, but, but... I can hear the excuses for why this was happening

 

[Kamauxx]

Jealous of what? LMAO

I'm not saying you have something to be jealous of. But if you remove yourself from the situation and read your post as an outsider you'll see what I mean.

 

[Doel]

RWD and we have Tonka for testing the AWD stuff for us.

stock wheels and tires? What are you planning on running at the track, tire wise?

 

[TorkMe]

stock wheels and tires? What are you planning on running at the track, tire wise?

For the RWD car we have plans on getting DR and lighter wheels. Tonka has a good wheel and tire combo already.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Are we weighing the differences between a ECU that's tuned and one that's not? how much does loading all that data add to the weight of the Stinger .Trying to figure out what John's blabbing has to due with the Weight of a Stinger. Same with boost pressures lol.

I was brought up so i figured id chime in. I was overboosting ridiculously fast as Tonka mentioned. It wasnt a JB4 thing it was a EVERYONE THING I was catless in -50 degree (with the windchill) weather. Even John himself said his tune wouldnt help me BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE THE FULL ECU MAPPED OUT YET and to my knowledge no one does yet.

John says Cobb and Diablo wont get in because no one wants to tune their car... thas bs. There are plenty of people who want to tune thier cars just very few that want to deal with John. The 1000s of people with jb4s vs the 10 that have a Tork Tune can show you that people want to push thier cars just none want to deal with the nonsense. Espeically the one who comes here saying that Terry is Houdini creating an illusion and feeding us all lies. Anyone who has worked with Terry know the truth.

Since you were asked to come here John but didnt want to just leave Its not like you have any customers here to support. Oh wait you have 1 here.

 

[Tonkabob]

Stungblueg2 had a lot of theories and speculation that John could better straighten out than I so I asked him to weigh in. I learned a lot more about the ECU, min and max boost, and even some new things on the JB4 like improved protection and new adjusted boost readings.
Jb4 camp has upped their stock boost assessment from 10-12 PSI to 10-14 PSI and we have a new 14.5 PSI and 16 PSI stock reading as well as seen the 16 PSI max setting in the ECU. Worthwhile discussions even if the thread is on Stinger weights.
With out Johns visits most will just keep repeating the same old incorrect information.

 

[Shrikecorp]

I'm not saying you have something to be jealous of. But if you remove yourself from the situation and read your post as an outsider you'll see what I mean.

As one who's outside this turf battle, it's kind of sad in general. My impression is that Tork and Terry each produce a really good product that gets us more out of our cars. I'm very happy with the JB4 and it sure as hell works, but might have gone with the ECU tune save for the fact that ease of removal/hiding my bad owner behavior was a pretty big factor. All this? Meh.

 

[ScottM]

I have to chime in for 2 seconds (I count slow). Reading about 92.8% of all the posts related to tuning JB4 v Tork, it seems a pissing match and not a "make the platform better" match. I'm preaching mostly to the quire (is that how that's spelled?) I know. JB4 guy loves to talk smack. I said from day 1 or 2 that that turns me off from using him. I would like to tune my vehicle lightly, but will never deal with someone who can't stay in their lane and focus on what they do as apposed to talking smack and doing their best to create a mob. The problem I see with Tork is that their group seems to get very heated about what JB4 says and unfortunately that leads to JB4 accomplishing it's task. I can't see myself dealing with someone who gets that heated, I can't afford someone to punch the rest of my teeth out. The funny thing is... one is a tune and one is a "plug and play" (relatively speaking)...it shouldn't be this hard to just stay in the lane and provide what they provide to the best of their ability. As a matter of fact; each company would do better if they worked together. BUT...I know it's personal, so cows will spin yarn before that happens. So...I've finally counted to 2.

 

[Kamauxx]

I have to chime in for 2 seconds (I count slow). Reading about 92.8% of all the posts related to tuning JB4 v Tork, it seems a pissing match and not a "make the platform better" match. I'm preaching mostly to the quire (is that how that's spelled?) I know. JB4 guy loves to talk smack. I said from day 1 or 2 that that turns me off from using him. I would like to tune my vehicle lightly, but will never deal with someone who can't stay in their lane and focus on what they do as apposed to talking smack and doing their best to create a mob. The problem I see with Tork is that their group seems to get very heated about what JB4 says and unfortunately that leads to JB4 accomplishing it's task. I can't see myself dealing with someone who gets that heated, I can't afford someone to punch the rest of my teeth out. The funny thing is... one is a tune and one is a "plug and play" (relatively speaking)...it shouldn't be this hard to just stay in the lane and provide what they provide to the best of their ability. As a matter of fact; each company would do better if they worked together. BUT...I know it's personal, so cows will spin yarn before that happens. So...I've finally counted to 2.

Choir.

 

[ScottM]

As one who's outside this turf battle, it's kind of sad in general. My impression is that Tork and Terry each produce a really good product that gets us more out of our cars. I'm very happy with the JB4 and it sure as hell works, but might have gone with the ECU tune save for the fact that ease of removal/hiding my bad owner behavior was a pretty big factor. All this? Meh.

You said exactly what I wanted to say and in less words. Why couldn't I just wait??!

 

[ScottM]

Choir

Thank you sir. I don't even know what a "quire" is...but it looked fancy.

 

[MerlintheMad]

I'm preaching mostly to the quire (is that how that's spelled?)

Quire is a collection of pages into an unbound manuscript. It is also an early variant of spelling "choir". Are you medieval?

 

[ScottM]

Quire is a collection of pages into an unbound manuscript. It is also an early variant of spelling "choir". Are you medieval?

Thank you sir! Someone did say I was getting old, maybe my spelling is too!

Edit...I'll stop now.

 

[Sales@Tork]

Are we weighing the differences between a ECU that's tuned and one that's not? how much does loading all that data add to the weight of the Stinger .Trying to figure out what John's blabbing has to due with the Weight of a Stinger. Same with boost pressures lol.

I was brought up so i figured id chime in. I was overboosting ridiculously fast as Tonka mentioned. It wasnt a JB4 thing it was a EVERYONE THING I was catless in -50 degree (with the windchill) weather. Even John himself said his tune wouldnt help me BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE THE FULL ECU MAPPED OUT YET and to my knowledge no one does yet.

John says Cobb and Diablo wont get in because no one wants to tune their car... thas bs. There are plenty of people who want to tune thier cars just very few that want to deal with John. The 1000s of people with jb4s vs the 10 that have a Tork Tune can show you that people want to push thier cars just none want to deal with the nonsense. Espeically the one who comes here saying that Terry is Houdini creating an illusion and feeding us all lies. Anyone who has worked with Terry know the truth.

Since you were asked to come here John but didnt want to just leave Its not like you have any customers here to support. Oh wait you have 1 here.

Sorry DaBears we would reply and talk with you but last time I tried to talk with you, you ran to the admins lmao.

 

[TorkMe]

I have to chime in for 2 seconds (I count slow). Reading about 92.8% of all the posts related to tuning JB4 v Tork, it seems a pissing match and not a "make the platform better" match. I'm preaching mostly to the quire (is that how that's spelled?) I know. JB4 guy loves to talk smack. I said from day 1 or 2 that that turns me off from using him. I would like to tune my vehicle lightly, but will never deal with someone who can't stay in their lane and focus on what they do as apposed to talking smack and doing their best to create a mob. The problem I see with Tork is that their group seems to get very heated about what JB4 says and unfortunately that leads to JB4 accomplishing it's task. I can't see myself dealing with someone who gets that heated, I can't afford someone to punch the rest of my teeth out. The funny thing is... one is a tune and one is a "plug and play" (relatively speaking)...it shouldn't be this hard to just stay in the lane and provide what they provide to the best of their ability. As a matter of fact; each company would do better if they worked together. BUT...I know it's personal, so cows will spin yarn before that happens. So...I've finally counted to 2.

I have been vacant for months, heard that Terry was in here spinning his web of lies again and someone asked me to chine in.

I hate talking smack, I hate it when the JB4 camp comes out and starts saying dumb shit about the ECU. Do you have any idea how many times I have posted maps to correct misinformation given by Terry or other JB4 owners? Then, to be insulted by these exact same people for showing them they were wrong?

Here is my take, if people do not want accurate information I will take a back seat to the stuff getting posted online and walk away. I would prefer this, but the mess it makes when more wrong information is posted long term makes for a horrible community when you decide to start fixing it.

So, in the end... we have tuners competing for the customer base and that will never end.

 

[TorkMe]

With that being said... we are here. We are making progress with the ECU and still to date, we are the only shop active in tune development that owns a shop Stinger. That should show you we are committed to the market, yet for some reason... we still get beef from the forum members.

This community lacks very basic tuning knowledge. Example... gapping the spark plugs down to .022 is completely unnecessary. But, everyone who buys a piggy back has to close the gap up to that, or something similar. Now, Terry will say something about coils or plugs getting to hot, or some other excuse. Yet, we have cars running upwards of 24 psi and still running .032 to .028 gap. No one ever asks, "how is this possible", or "how come the piggy back cannot run plug gaps like that". In a community that is tuning savvy knows why, they know that excuses for spark blow out do not come from "magic" or other piggy back tuning anomaly's.

I have said it from the beginning, its going to take 2 to 3 years before the Stinger community catches on to the BS the piggy back excuses. I have made my attempts to educate the community and it has fallen on deaf ears/computer screens. So... we wait.

Remember, competition only breeds a better product for your market.

 

[ScottM]

Remember, competition only breeds a better product for your market.

I will add, healthy competition. Much like sports, they "hate" each other until the game or match or whatever is over and then they show respect. Well, some do. But that's a different story.

I will say, the good thing for me is that the Stinger is pretty fast as is for now. BUT...