Stinger JB4 Pure Hybrid Turbo Testing

[turboAWD]

Lots of good points, Angel. On the other hand, multiple kids can't get in and out at school drop-off easily from a GTR..

 

[Angel]

2010 Nissan GT-R Premium in Renton, WA | Seattle Nissan GT-R | Renton Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram - $58K with 21K miles. This is local to me. Not that I'm not loving the Stinger, but...wonder how high this would shove the Divorce-O-Meter?

Oh trust me you love the Stinger into get in and drive the GTR. You wont look back!

As far as the divorce meter goes, that shit might shift it pretty high.

I love my wife but this is tempting!!

I don't want to encourage you to do anything, I don't want to be the reason for a divorce. I will say this much, if my wife divorced me after I got a GTR. It would hurt at the beginning but every time I got in that car I would be smiling. I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to attract a new wife on that beast.....JK

Lots of good points, Angel. On the other hand, multiple kids can't get in and out at school drop-off easily from a GTR..

Sh#t.......That is the least of my worries that is what Uber is for LOL

My main concern is the wife going bat-sh#t crazy, if I can survive that then rest is easy.

I will make it work lol.....Look at those girls faces, there really happy

 

[terrelltechsup]

All of you are crazy. I just need someone to donate their old SC or TC Cobalt SS for a good cause and I would be happy.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

200WHP on race gas too, I'm wondering what it's going to be like on pump. BUT, keep in mind this is still very early on in the tuning process, I'm sure they're going to easily find another 20-40whp somewhere somehow

at the rate everyone is moving we will likely have to settle for a ECU swap with the GTS

 

[Angel]

at the rate everyone is moving we will likely have to settle for a ECU swap with the GTS

I was wondering if that would work? I dont think it will lol

 

[Doel]

I agree there is nothing wrong with wanting to beat a GTR or any sports car out there.

The reality is that the Stinger is not a true sports car or Drag car for that matter. The car 4,000 pounds, the transmission is not ideal (Does not have a dual clutch), and the tuning on the ecu is not track oriented.

Can you build a Stinger to beat a GTR sure you can. At the end of the day you still have a Stinger. By the time you build that Stinger to beat a GTR you have taken away most of the comfort and daily drivability that the car was built for.

To get the Stinger to run high 10's you will need a big turbo kit and there is not any proof that even with a big turbo kit it can reach those numbers. While a GTR can get to high 10's easy with just a tune and good tires.

You want a drag car for cheap, you can just buy an old Mustang or Camaro and do a LS or 2JZ with a big turbo swap, slap a TH400 transmission on it, gut the interior and put some slicks. You got a 9-10 second car easy for around 25-30k if you build it yourself.

This would not be too much of a daily driver thou.

Still cheaper than Stinger and a GTR.

I guess to most it shouldn't make sense to want to build a Stinger faster than a GTR.

Sometimes you need to be realistic. I own a Stinger and I love it. I have modified my car more than I originally planned. I will get to a point where I am going to stop. I reached 11.9 and I want to be faster. I might do an intercooler and ECU tune and stop there. I will just be content where I am at that point.

I remember the day I beat my friends Stock GTR with my Lexus IS 300 on a roll race on I-90 highway. It felt really good at first. When I actually started thinking to myself that my Lexus was fully built, Big Turbo 2JZ and the GTR was stock. Then I seen the GTR drive away and in my mind I thought like "Dawn that GTR is sick". I knew deep inside that I had no business bragging about beating that GTR. I knew deep inside that the GTR with a tune and minor bolt-ons would have destroyed me.

I know most of you guys don't know me in real life. I am extremely competitive at everything I do in life. Most certainly my passion is cars. I been racing since I was a little kid with my dad and his friends. My dad owns a performance car shop until recently that he retired and rented the shop.

Part of me wants to build this Kia Stinger to be a 10 second car just because its a Kia and a lot people view the brand and car as a POS. I know all the work and money that will take. So I Choose not to pursue it. I would prefer to save my money to get a used GTR lol.....

I don't take anything away from those that want to go hardcore with it.

Dodge Hellcat: 8 speed torque converter transmission just like ours, 4,400 lbs. Not a drag car though?

If you have enough money, you can make any car you want into a drag car and if someone wants to do that, what's the problem? Weren't you the one that was talking about buying a new Supra and dropping in a 2jz? Now that sounds far more nuts than someone modding a Stinger into the 10s, but if you actually ever did that who cares? It's your money and would be a cool project.

We already know that with a turbo upgrade we have an M5 killer from a roll, and that car runs in the 10s stock. I think that's amazing and I'm pretty sure that car drives like any other Stinger when you're easy on the throttle. No one buys a brand new GTR, or Stinger, or ANYTHING new if they want a "drag car for cheap". That's not the point of modding your daily. Considering how much you've modded your car, it's awfully hypocritical to judge others who want to mod theirs to beat a GTR.

 

[Angel]

Dodge Hellcat: 8 speed torque converter transmission just like ours, 4,400 lbs. Not a drag car though?

If you have enough money, you can make any car you want into a drag car and if someone wants to do that, what's the problem? Weren't you the one that was talking about buying a new Supra and dropping in a 2jz? Now that sounds far more nuts than someone modding a Stinger into the 10s, but if you actually ever did that who cares? It's your money and would be a cool project.

We already know that with a turbo upgrade we have an M5 killer from a roll, and that car runs in the 10s stock. I think that's amazing and I'm pretty sure that car drives like any other Stinger when you're easy on the throttle. No one buys a brand new GTR, or Stinger, or ANYTHING new if they want a "drag car for cheap". That's not the point of modding your daily. Considering how much you've modded your car, it's awfully hypocritical to judge others who want to mod theirs to beat a GTR.

Great write up buddy!

I agree 100% if you have enough money you can make any car fast. If I had enough money I would go to the moon and be the first Puerto Rican to reach the moon.

Yes a hellcat is build to be a drag car straight line car, don't understand your point here. Different animal than the Stinger. Don't know why you bring this up. Its a 4,000 pound car but it also has 700hp and its built for straight line power.

M5 killer LOL....You mean a stock M5? Don't get ahead of yourself buddy. (Key word big turbo and Roll race)

The people that buy a GTR generally have different intentions that the ones that buy a Stinger. Their different cars for different markets. Again I don't understand your point here.

"How much I modded my car" WTF are you talking about? I only have JB4, AP intakes, SSR Down pipes and muffler deletes. I don't know how this is "How much I modded my car" I have basic bolt ons, not even full bolt ons. Maybe we have different opinions on modding LOL, we will leave it at that.

"Considering how much you've modded your car, it's awfully hypocritical to judge others who want to mod theirs to beat a GTR."
Again I have basic bolt ons. I don't know why you are calling me hypocritical when I never discouraged Tonka or anyone to not mod their car or said it was not possible to mod a Stinger to beat a GTR. I simply stated that is not a fair comparison to compare a modded stinger to a stock GTR. For a stinger to beat a GTR, the GTR would have to be stock and the Stinger would have to be heavily modded. Which is a fact not an assumption. I also stated that there just different car's built for different purposes.

Seems like your comment is more personal to me than actually stating facts. I encourage everyone to do what makes them happy. You can search how many DIY videos I created for the community. To help them save money and to do the mods themselves instead of having to pay. Why would I judge people when they mod their car, when I make videos encouraging everyone to do it and informing them on products I have bought or installed. I have yet seen you do anything or provide any information of value for the stinger community, but yet I am the one being hypocritical right?

Doel thank you very much for your feedback. Much appreciated, it makes feel good that you follow me so closely and are a FAN of mine.

Carry on Bother!

 

[Terry@BMS]

Just as a small update FFP has a flash loaded that helped the tuning but it's still not doing what we want, so project is still sidelined. Makes good power on the dyno @ 25psi but isn't launching or shifting as it should be to use it properly at the track.

 

[Angel]

Just as a small update FFP has a flash loaded that helped the tuning but it's still not doing what we want, so project is still sidelined. Makes good power on the dyno @ 25psi but isn't launching or shifting as it should be to use it properly at the track.

Good news that progress is being made but not yet where they want to be.

Have they tested at the track yet Terry?

 

[Terry@BMS]

He's taking a few runs, nothing special. High 11s at low 120s. Power is there for 11.5x and better at 125mph+ but we'll need the tuning capability to catch up to the hardware.

 

[Doel]

Great write up buddy!

I agree 100% if you have enough money you can make any car fast. If I had enough money I would go to the moon and be the first Puerto Rican to reach the moon.

Yes a hellcat is build to be a drag car straight line car, don't understand your point here. Different animal than the Stinger. Don't know why you bring this up. Its a 4,000 pound car but it also has 700hp and its built for straight line power.

M5 killer LOL....You mean a stock M5? Don't get ahead of yourself buddy. (Key word big turbo and Roll race)

The people that buy a GTR generally have different intentions that the ones that buy a Stinger. Their different cars for different markets. Again I don't understand your point here.

"How much I modded my car" WTF are you talking about? I only have JB4, AP intakes, SSR Down pipes and muffler deletes. I don't know how this is "How much I modded my car" I have basic bolt ons, not even full bolt ons. Maybe we have different opinions on modding LOL, we will leave it at that.

"Considering how much you've modded your car, it's awfully hypocritical to judge others who want to mod theirs to beat a GTR."
Again I have basic bolt ons. I don't know why you are calling me hypocritical when I never discouraged Tonka or anyone to not mod their car or said it was not possible to mod a Stinger to beat a GTR. I simply stated that is not a fair comparison to compare a modded stinger to a stock GTR. For a stinger to beat a GTR, the GTR would have to be stock and the Stinger would have to be heavily modded. Which is a fact not an assumption. I also stated that there just different car's built for different purposes.

Seems like your comment is more personal to me than actually stating facts. I encourage everyone to do what makes them happy. You can search how many DIY videos I created for the community. To help them save money and to do the mods themselves instead of having to pay. Why would I judge people when they mod their car, when I make videos encouraging everyone to do it and informing them on products I have bought or installed. I have yet seen you do anything or provide any information of value for the stinger community, but yet I am the one being hypocritical right?

Doel thank you very much for your feedback. Much appreciated, it makes feel good that you follow me so closely and are a FAN of mine.

Carry on Bother!

You made the statement that the Stinger wasn't a drag car because of our transmission and weight being 4k lbs so I gave you an example of a car with the same type of transmission as us that was over 4k lbs that is a drag car. Taking a 45k car, putting in 10k with stock driveability and comfort and making it faster than an M5, which cost twice as much WITH the mods, is a pretty big deal in my book. Clearly this discussion is going no where, just try to keep the attacks on here down a bit alright? Really need to stop judging other people for what they're doing to THEIR car, not your place, not anyone's place.

 

[Ritz]

The Stinger is using a ZF 8HP series transmission? That's news to me.

The problem with the Charger/Challenger Hellcat comparison is that it's nearly impossible to get all that power to the ground without significant wheelspin. I know....I have one (only 485hp scatpack, not the hellcat) and traction is a huge problem even under perfect conditions. That's one of the reasons I'm looking at going back to an AWD platform, even though it's a great car at a great price.

The Stinger will be a great platform once folks figure out how to get 500-600hp out of them without all the drama. I'm also following with great interest to see how well the rest of the drivetrain holds up as folks push the torque envelope higher.

Best,

 

[brancky3]

No, the Stinger does not use the ZF trans.

 

[Angel]

You made the statement that the Stinger wasn't a drag car because of our transmission and weight being 4k lbs so I gave you an example of a car with the same type of transmission as us that was over 4k lbs that is a drag car. Taking a 45k car, putting in 10k with stock driveability and comfort and making it faster than an M5, which cost twice as much WITH the mods, is a pretty big deal in my book. Clearly this discussion is going no where, just try to keep the attacks on here down a bit alright? Really need to stop judging other people for what they're doing to THEIR car, not your place, not anyone's place.

Doel with all your respect I have not attacked anyone.

If anyone is attacking someone is you attacking me.

Again please read my post again carefully. I did not attack anyone so please stop creating that narrative.

I did not say the Stinger was not a drag car, I simply stated that the Stinger was not built to be a drag car from the factory. The car was built for different purposes being a GT. I then stated the reasons why. Can you build a Stinger to be a drag car? Sure you can of course, I seen a turbo Van Honda Odessy pushing over 1000 hp on you tube, anything is possible.

I stated an opinion backed by facts, I never said once or attacked anyone modding their stinger so please stop with that narrative Doel.

I am sure if Tonka Bob felt attacked by me he would of let me know by now on PM privately. I never attacked Tonka and I would never attack him for the goals he is trying to reach. I would never attack anyone or discourage them on modding their Stinger.

No need for you to keep coming back accusing me of attacking people when that is not the case. Stating an opinion with facts is not an attack.

Again we can agree to disagree respectfully. If in the past I offended you by something I said then I apologize.

Please stop accusing me of attacking people when I have not, thanks Doel!

 

[Metalmania82]

Would be AMAZING if a ZF had been used. But the price would reflect it.

 

[Ritz]

No, the Stinger does not use the ZF trans.

Yeah, I didn't think so. I don't know anything about Hyundai/Kia's 8 speed or how well it will hold up under the abuse of another few hundred foot/lbs of torque. I'm surprised we haven't seen any reports here of people blowing up any engine internals so far as well. That bodes well.

Best,

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Yeah, I didn't think so. I don't know anything about Hyundai/Kia's 8 speed or how well it will hold up under the abuse of another few hundred foot/lbs of torque. I'm surprised we haven't seen any reports here of people blowing up any engine internals so far as well. That bodes well.

Best,

Seems like a few tuners have confirmed the transmission and engine internal limits are rated for about 800hp/tq. I cant find the info about the transmission now but swear it said 800tq. And Tork confirmed we have forged rods good for about 800hp as well, so it would be safe to say most of our drivetrain is solid for a few hundred more HP/TQ than anyone is currently running.

Now that we have a few Stingers running Hybrid & Big turbos we will finally start getting closer to our limits and will really see how far we can go!

 

[Doel]

The Stinger is using a ZF 8HP series transmission? That's news to me.

The problem with the Charger/Challenger Hellcat comparison is that it's nearly impossible to get all that power to the ground without significant wheelspin. I know....I have one (only 485hp scatpack, not the hellcat) and traction is a huge problem even under perfect conditions. That's one of the reasons I'm looking at going back to an AWD platform, even though it's a great car at a great price.

The Stinger will be a great platform once folks figure out how to get 500-600hp out of them without all the drama. I'm also following with great interest to see how well the rest of the drivetrain holds up as folks push the torque envelope higher.

Best,

no, it uses a torque converted 8 speed like we do, we have an in house Kia transmission as far as I know. Seems to be pretty beefy so far, only time will tell.

 

[Oryan]

One the topic of transmissions:

I'm damn near certain that this transmission is at least derived, or a generation after, the 8-speed Hyundai put in the Genesis Coupe. There's at least one shop that I know of that can and has rebuilt Gen Coupe 8ATs to pretty good results from what I saw. They're Level 10 Transmissions out of NJ/NYC. I'd imagine if and when we find the mechanical limits of the transmission they'd be a good option to rebuild them. But if the limit is 800tq or so I'd imagine by that point a lot of things are getting replaced.

 

[WillieP82]

One the topic of transmissions:

I'm damn near certain that this transmission is at least derived, or a generation after, the 8-speed Hyundai put in the Genesis Coupe. There's at least one shop that I know of that can and has rebuilt Gen Coupe 8ATs to pretty good results from what I saw. They're Level 10 Transmissions out of NJ/NYC. I'd imagine if and when we find the mechanical limits of the transmission they'd be a good option to rebuild them. But if the limit is 800tq or so I'd imagine by that point a lot of things are getting replaced.

ZF built the transmission in the coupe so no it is not the same and not even a derivative of it. Level 10 does Optima/Sonata transmissions for them to handle the turbo upgrades Lap3 has for them.