Stinger JB4 Pure Hybrid Turbo Testing

[Tonkabob]

I think the lag is the slow throttle opening after LC not turbo lag. When i had just an RC my 1.98 60 foots felt like a snail launching.

 

[brancky3]

I think the lag is the slow throttle opening after LC not turbo lag. When i had just an RC my 1.98 60 foots felt like a snail launching.

Exactly. We're wasting at least half a second waiting for the car to open up to 100% throttle. If we could fix this even RWD could cut a 3.x 0-60 time with ease.

 

[Bjjpurple]

Why do you have “woeful” lag?!? We have small twin turbos so lag is basically eliminated... Better bring your car in for service since it sounds like you may have turbo spooling issues.

I have driven 6 different stinger GT’s, one tuned. They all have the lag before boost kicked in from a standstill. All the turners are aware of it and the ecu tuners are working on it. Perspective is important, if you are coming from a civic or Camry maybe to u won’t notice. I’m coming from Mustangs, 335i’s, Etc. As sting as the stinger is on boost, if they can get it to where the car is allowed to launch closer to on boost it will make the 0-60 and 1/4 times drop significantly.

 

[Bjjpurple]

I think the lag is the slow throttle opening after LC not turbo lag. When i had just an RC my 1.98 60 foots felt like a snail launching.

This is what I’m referring to, thanks Tonka. So much potential untapped if this can be remedied. I will not buy a tune until it corrects this.

 

[brancky3]

This is what I’m referring to, thanks Tonka. So much potential untapped if this can be remedied. I will not buy a tune until it corrects this.

And it would be great if they raised redline by like 100rpm so we can hit 60mph in 2nd

 

[StungBlueGT2]

I think the lag is the slow throttle opening after LC not turbo lag. When i had just an RC my 1.98 60 foots felt like a snail launching.

Exactly. We're wasting at least half a second waiting for the car to open up to 100% throttle. If we could fix this even RWD could cut a 3.x 0-60 time with ease.

Agree a 100%, but don’t forget Kia did this on purpose for multiple reasons.

If you recall Kia initially quoted 5.1sec 0-60 for our Stingers. Then they reconfigured the LC parameters to allow for better traction which dropped 0.4sec to run consistent 4.7sec 0-60s. Since we have so much TQ and our small turbos spool so quickly, partially closing the throttle at launch allows slippage to be kept to a minimum.

Obviously this was for the benefit of the higher selling RWD models, but unfortunately it hurts anyone with AWD or aftermarket sticky tires.

Kia didn’t design this car for the dragstrip so complaining about soft launches is like wondering why a Prius can’t do 167mph.

If people’s priorities are hard launches for quickest 0-60s, then they should be looking at GTRs or SRTs with drag packs instead of a full size Grand Tourer like our Stingers.

Don’t get me wrong, I and a lot of people want to make their cars faster. But buying a 4k lbs luxury GT car and expecting it to run <1.8 60fts like a RS3/GTR just doesn’t make much sense.

 

[brancky3]

Agree a 100%, but don’t forget Kia did this on purpose for multiple reasons.

If you recall Kia initially quoted 5.1sec 0-60 for our Stingers. Then they reconfigured the LC parameters to allow for better traction which dropped 0.4sec to run consistent 4.7sec 0-60s. Since we have so much TQ and our small turbos spool so quickly, partially closing the throttle at launch allows slippage to be kept to a minimum.

Obviously this was for the benefit of the higher selling RWD models, but unfortunately it hurts anyone with AWD or aftermarket sticky tires.

Kia didn’t design this car for the dragstrip so complaining about soft launches is like wondering why a Prius can’t do 167mph.

If people’s priorities are hard launches for quickest 0-60s, then they should be looking at GTRs or SRTs with drag packs instead of a full size Grand Tourer like our Stingers.

Don’t get me wrong, I and a lot of people want to make their cars faster. But buying a 4k lbs luxury GT car and expecting it to run <1.8 60fts like a RS3/GTR just doesn’t make much sense.

I know you're right for the most part, but I don't like it.
1.8 is probably the lowest feasible (safe) 60ft we can get on stock hardware and drivelines. I still think there has to be a way to build boost off the line, whether it be pulling the brake fuse or some other bypass method with JB4

 

[Tonkabob]

0-60 sells even for a GT car. They could have made the LC logic different between awd and rwd. But i dont think 1.83 is that bad for a high 11 second car. Here is a low 11 Nissan GTR doing about the same. I had another higher 11s stock gtr doing about the same 60s but can't find that one.

 

[Angel]

No disrespect to anyone but let’s not compare our Stinger to a GTR In any shape or form.

Not fair!

I agree this car was not built for the purposes we were tying to use it. We can always add the “why”. Why does it launch better, why is it so heavy lol

The reality is the car is great for what is for was built for.

A new mustang off the lot is doing low 12’s. A new Mustang with Intake, exhaust and a E85 tune with slicks is doing mid to high 11’s all day. Slap a blower you are on the high 10’s.

I am very satisfied with the Stinger although I know it will never be a RS3/GTR/MUstang etc.... It will never be a true dragstrip car.

 

[Tonkabob]

Doesn't stop me from trying to beat one. New GTR at the track running 11.7s , Stinger. 11.8s. First gen GTR 12.5, Stinger Stock 12.7. We are in the same ball park.

 

[Angel]

Doesn't stop me from trying to beat one. New GTR at the track running 11.7s , Stinger. 11.8s. First gen GTR 12.5, Stinger Stock 12.7. We are in the same ball park.

No disrespect but I don't know where you are getting those numbers from.

GTR run low to mid 11's stock bro.

A GTR with minor bolt ons and a tune is running 10's lol.

Come on bro don't don't do this, I respect your competitive spirit. Is not a comparison, don't do it.

Is like comparing a handgun to a rocket launcher, there just different. No matter what you do to the handgun it will never reach the power of destruction of a rocket launcher.

Please don't say well a full bolt on Stinger or big turbo stinger can beat a stock GTR. Pound for pound the GTR will eat a Stinger alive. Let's not get price into it. I know the other argument is well the GTR is a lot more expensive.

The reality is a Stinger is no comparison to a GTR.

Here is some food for thought.

Bro its Godzilla!!!!

 

[Tonkabob]

Of course their are faster GTRs than 11.7 but thats what i saw at my track and if we ever line up I'd like to beat him ☺
Hellcat is no comparason either but i beat the one at my track every run. Sure he couldn't launch on a well prepped track but thats real life.

 

[Angel]

Of course their are faster GTRs than 11.7 but thats what i saw at my track and if we ever line up I'd like to beat him ☺
Hellcat is no comparason either but i beat the one at my track every run. Sure he couldn't launch on a well prepped track but thats real life.

I am with you.

I raced a supercharged vette at the track and in my mind and heart I was going for the kill. But reality hit and the vette got a 10.9.

I personally don’t like to compare modded car to supercars.

That being said of course anytime you race you go for the Kill regardless of the car your are driving and regardless of who the opponent is.

The comparisons are all subjective.

 

[washguy]

Don’t get me wrong, I and a lot of people want to make their cars faster. But buying a 4k lbs luxury GT car and expecting it to run <1.8 60fts like a RS3/GTR just doesn’t make much sense.

EXACTLY Wash

 

[Doel]

A lot of people would say buying a 4k lbs luxury GT car and expecting it to run 11s doesn't make sense, or even 12s, or 13s, or 14s. We all travel at the same speed right? What's the point in running 10s and beating a GTR?

It's the same reason we bought a car that can run 12s to start with, that's why we want to beat a GTR and any other true sports car out there.

 

[Angel]

A lot of people would say buying a 4k lbs luxury GT car and expecting it to run 11s doesn't make sense, or even 12s, or 13s, or 14s. We all travel at the same speed right? What's the point in running 10s and beating a GTR?

It's the same reason we bought a car that can run 12s to start with, that's why we want to beat a GTR and any other true sports car out there.

I agree there is nothing wrong with wanting to beat a GTR or any sports car out there.

The reality is that the Stinger is not a true sports car or Drag car for that matter. The car 4,000 pounds, the transmission is not ideal (Does not have a dual clutch), and the tuning on the ecu is not track oriented.

Can you build a Stinger to beat a GTR sure you can. At the end of the day you still have a Stinger. By the time you build that Stinger to beat a GTR you have taken away most of the comfort and daily drivability that the car was built for.

To get the Stinger to run high 10's you will need a big turbo kit and there is not any proof that even with a big turbo kit it can reach those numbers. While a GTR can get to high 10's easy with just a tune and good tires.

You want a drag car for cheap, you can just buy an old Mustang or Camaro and do a LS or 2JZ with a big turbo swap, slap a TH400 transmission on it, gut the interior and put some slicks. You got a 9-10 second car easy for around 25-30k if you build it yourself.

This would not be too much of a daily driver thou.

Still cheaper than Stinger and a GTR.

I guess to most it shouldn't make sense to want to build a Stinger faster than a GTR.

Sometimes you need to be realistic. I own a Stinger and I love it. I have modified my car more than I originally planned. I will get to a point where I am going to stop. I reached 11.9 and I want to be faster. I might do an intercooler and ECU tune and stop there. I will just be content where I am at that point.

I remember the day I beat my friends Stock GTR with my Lexus IS 300 on a roll race on I-90 highway. It felt really good at first. When I actually started thinking to myself that my Lexus was fully built, Big Turbo 2JZ and the GTR was stock. Then I seen the GTR drive away and in my mind I thought like "Dawn that GTR is sick". I knew deep inside that I had no business bragging about beating that GTR. I knew deep inside that the GTR with a tune and minor bolt-ons would have destroyed me.

I know most of you guys don't know me in real life. I am extremely competitive at everything I do in life. Most certainly my passion is cars. I been racing since I was a little kid with my dad and his friends. My dad owns a performance car shop until recently that he retired and rented the shop.

Part of me wants to build this Kia Stinger to be a 10 second car just because its a Kia and a lot people view the brand and car as a POS. I know all the work and money that will take. So I Choose not to pursue it. I would prefer to save my money to get a used GTR lol.....

I don't take anything away from those that want to go hardcore with it.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

A lot of people would say buying a 4k lbs luxury GT car and expecting it to run 11s doesn't make sense, or even 12s, or 13s, or 14s. We all travel at the same speed right? What's the point in running 10s and beating a GTR?

It's the same reason we bought a car that can run 12s to start with, that's why we want to beat a GTR and any other true sports car out there.

I get your point and partially agree. However, one example is much more realistic than the other, at least in our situation.

Its more important to understand how each car was designed to perform and where the advantages are with each type of car. A high performance GT is designed to be a powerful, but comfortable touring car. Its main advantage is impressive torque for effortless passing on the highway, etc. Since its powerful enough to run 12s stock getting it to run 11s wasnt asking too much and can easily be done with a few simply bolt-ons.

Unfortunately, expecting the same 4k-lbs luxury GT to come off the line like GTRs/RS3s, etc. is simply using the wrong tool for the job. They were designed & built to withstand hard AWD launches so <1.8 60fts are realistic and much easier to achieve.

Now I'm not saying its impossible to get a Stinger to perform like a supercar, I simply saying it makes more sense to play to our own advantages instead of trying to beat them at their own game.

Again, all I'm saying is to choose the correct tool for the job, instead of expecting & hoping you can get blood from a stone, so to speak.

 

[ZyroXZ2]

Hmmmm... If Pure dyno'd 299WHP stock, they're likely on a Mustang dyno or some sort of "load" dyno. Sooo even though the stock turbos wouldn't last 100k miles this way, apparently a LAP3 Pro Tuner with a primary DP upgrade and meth on Mode 3 can hit 490WHP (granted, on a Dynojet). Having said that, the 200WHP increase with this hybrid turbo upgrade isn't that far off from a stock turbo with bolt-ons, meth, and a chip going from 330WHP to 490WHP (again, average Dynojet numbers).

What I'm getting at is that a 200WHP gain for $8k (or something around there) vs a 160WHP gain for $4k is a tough pill to swallow.

 

[Shrikecorp]

No disrespect but I don't know where you are getting those numbers from.

GTR run low to mid 11's stock bro.

A GTR with minor bolt ons and a tune is running 10's lol.

Come on bro don't don't do this, I respect your competitive spirit. Is not a comparison, don't do it.

Is like comparing a handgun to a rocket launcher, there just different. No matter what you do to the handgun it will never reach the power of destruction of a rocket launcher.

Please don't say well a full bolt on Stinger or big turbo stinger can beat a stock GTR. Pound for pound the GTR will eat a Stinger alive. Let's not get price into it. I know the other argument is well the GTR is a lot more expensive.

The reality is a Stinger is no comparison to a GTR.

Here is some food for thought.

Bro its Godzilla!!!!

2010 Nissan GT-R Premium in Renton, WA | Seattle Nissan GT-R | Renton Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram - $58K with 21K miles. This is local to me. Not that I'm not loving the Stinger, but...wonder how high this would shove the Divorce-O-Meter?

 

[brancky3]

What I'm getting at is that a 200WHP gain for $8k (or something around there) vs a 160WHP gain for $4k is a tough pill to swallow.

200WHP on race gas too, I'm wondering what it's going to be like on pump. BUT, keep in mind this is still very early on in the tuning process, I'm sure they're going to easily find another 20-40whp somewhere somehow