Stinger JB4 Pure Hybrid Turbo Testing

[Angel]

I hope competition drives these prices down, but honestly it's really not that ridiculous of a price for the power increase you'll get

The reality it’s that it is a ridiculous price .... For you it may not be, or you just don’t want to be completely honest with yourself and on this forum. That is a steep price just to upgrade some internals on the oem turbo .... 4K? The only reason they are taxing that much is because they are the only ones out with the hybrid turbos at the moment and there trying to milk the cow while they can, and they also been able to see that majority of the stinger owners or the demographic happens to be older men that want to mod their car but want to keep warranty and keep it stock like ....Honestly I am not saying this in a bad way it is great that we are getting more options for the stinger but there are times where you have to call a spade a spade .....

 

[brancky3]

That’s a lot of $$$$ just to upgrade some internals of the oem turbo ......4K ??.... On top there is no Tunning for these.... The JB4 does not work with these properly you actually need an ecu tune .... I don’t know I feel confident purchasing 4K turbos and no ecu tune .....

I agree with you, but this is only because it's still so early on in the platform. Eventually there will be a flash available that will work in conjunction with JB4 (speculating here..) to make these work flawlessly.

I wouldn't upgrade the turbos until there is a complete tuning solution and a clear list of supporting mods required and several people who have tested it and shown the platform can handle it.

The whole point of hybrid turbos is that you don't need 'supporting mods'. Yes, you will get more power with straight through exhaust, FMIC, etc but it shouldn't be required. If I'm going to spend cash on primary downpipes, secondary downpipes, catback, etc then I'm just going to get a bigger turbo kit to start with and skip hybrids completely. If you run the same boost levels with stock and hybrid turbos you should see a drop in IAT and the ability to run more timing with hybrid turbos considering they should be more efficient and will actually work better with stock parts.

 

[Angel]

It is a lot of money, but when you compare it to similar platforms it is similar in price. I wouldn't upgrade the turbos until there is a complete tuning solution and a clear list of supporting mods required and several people who have tested it and shown the platform can handle it. Until then +/-450whp is good for me.

Thank you for a having a moment to reflect and keep in it real with yourself and others on here.....I agree with all your points, it is a lot of money but if there was proper ecu Tunning, testing and supporting mods it would be more justifiable to pay that price ....but I am with you 100 percent I would not buy these until there was a proper ecu tune developed and testing .... and other people buying it before me lol .....

 

[Doel]

GTR upgraded turbos are not even that expensive and thats a super car.........lets be real here guys....were getting taxed....no offense we drive a KIA no where near a supercar status....I do understand that the GTR been out a while but still....
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it's all about competition. If you're the first one on the scene, why wouldn't you inflate your price a bit? These guys are in it to make money, not make us happy. If the price is too high and no one is buying, they'll bring it down.

 

[Angel]

it's all about competition. If you're the first one on the scene, why wouldn't you inflate your price a bit? These guys are in it to make money, not make us happy. If the price is too high and no one is buying, they'll bring it down.

I agree and I totally get it .... it’s not personal it’s just business I understand how the game goes . Inflate a bit it’s and understatement. Of course there in it to make money. I disagree, they should want to make us happy as the customers that the end goal. Price is high now but like you mentioned once there is more competition then the price will come down. That is why I been patiently waiting to get an ecu tune and I will patiently wait for bigger turbos. But I totally support what there doing for the Stinger, just not with my money lol ....

 

[Doel]

I agree and I totally get it .... it’s not personal it’s just business I understand how the game goes . Inflate a bit it’s and understatement. Of course there in it to make money. I disagree, they should want to make us happy as the customers that the end goal. Price is high now but like you mentioned once there is more competition then the price will come down. That is why I been patiently waiting to get an ecu tune and I will patiently wait for bigger turbos. But I totally support what there doing for the Stinger, just not with my money lol ....

The end goal is profit, that's capitalism. The only reason some companies have good customer service to make their customers happy is because that makes them more money. If treating customers like crap made businesses more money, they would.

 

[KLR STINGER]

I am currently working with a different well known vendor on stage 2 hybrids, and potentially full new casting replacements. More options means pricing drops on the way.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

I am currently working with a different well known vendor on stage 2 hybrids, and potentially full new casting replacements. More options means pricing drops on the way.

What about tuning? Will you be doing that locally to you?

 

[Angel]

What about tuning? Will you be doing that locally to you?

That’s where it gets tricky .....

 

[Doel]

I am currently working with a different well known vendor on stage 2 hybrids, and potentially full new casting replacements. More options means pricing drops on the way.

can you give us any hints? How far along are you guys?

 

[Bjjpurple]

You think you would be happier going slower? I have never been happy with that.

I now have 4 doors and a much more user friendly car that looks awesome. I knew going on that the Mustang dollar for dollar, mod for mod easily the better performer. Looks like I can get into the 12.6 range pretty easily, that is pretty quick

 

[Doel]

I now have 4 doors and a much more user friendly car that looks awesome. I knew going on that the Mustang dollar for dollar, mod for mod easily the better performer. Looks like I can get into the 12.6 range pretty easily, that is pretty quick

Agreed. Sacrificing a little speed for a lot more usability and comfort is a good trade in my book. Mid 12s is very fast, with how fast cars are getting these days it's easy to forget how fast that really is. That's faster than this car.
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[StungBlueGT2]

I now have 4 doors and a much more user friendly car that looks awesome. I knew going on that the Mustang dollar for dollar, mod for mod easily the better performer. Looks like I can get into the 12.6 range pretty easily, that is pretty quick

You can easily run quicker than 12.6. Stock RWD Stingers have run as low as 12.7 and most will run high 12s all day long.

Terry and others run mid 12s with only a JB4. And 11s were already achieved with just WMI, DRs and intakes but completely stock exhaust.

You can expect low 12s with 1-2 bolt-ons and just a chip/tune.

 

[KLR STINGER]

What about tuning? Will you be doing that locally to you?

Only working on the HW side of the equation right now. FFP is collaborating with a local option I have and I trust they will have it sorted by the time I have parts in hand. Main problem is fueling and that can have a solution in short order through Fuel IT parallel pump triggered by JB4.

 

[KLR STINGER]

can you give us any hints? How far along are you guys?

Just disassembled my cores ad doing analysis on it. Hybrids will be out before the summer. Full cast replacements will take some time 12+ months.

 

[Ritz]

The reality it’s that it is a ridiculous price .... For you it may not be, or you just don’t want to be completely honest with yourself and on this forum. That is a steep price just to upgrade some internals on the oem turbo .... 4K? The only reason they are taxing that much is because they are the only ones out with the hybrid turbos at the moment and there trying to milk the cow while they can, and they also been able to see that majority of the stinger owners or the demographic happens to be older men that want to mod their car but want to keep warranty and keep it stock like ....Honestly I am not saying this in a bad way it is great that we are getting more options for the stinger but there are times where you have to call a spade a spade .....

Under $4k for the pair is not that crazy at all, actually. It's about what I'd expect to pay for hand-upgraded turbos from a small shop. One would hope that the price will come down if/when production volume gives them some economy of scale. That's assuming that they deliver the goods and they don't fly apart after a few months. Only time will tell. At the end of the day, what I'm looking to achieve is an approximate doubling of the stock output of this engine (hopefully without inducing catastrophic failures on the rest of the driveline). That costs money.

Cheers!

 

[Doel]

Under $4k for the pair is not that crazy at all, actually. It's about what I'd expect to pay for hand-upgraded turbos from a small shop. One would hope that the price will come down if/when production volume gives them some economy of scale. That's assuming that they deliver the goods and they don't fly apart after a few months. Only time will tell. At the end of the day, what I'm looking to achieve is an approximate doubling of the stock output of this engine (hopefully without inducing catastrophic failures on the rest of the driveline). That costs money.

Cheers!

Keep an eye out for those Korean aftermarket turbos, they were putting down around 600 whp so that's close to double.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Keep an eye out for those Korean aftermarket turbos, they were putting down around 600 whp so that's close to double.

Thats with a Lap3 ecu tune which he wont release until its fully encrypted, but that might not be any time soon.

 

[Ritz]

Thats with a Lap3 ecu tune which he wont release until its fully encrypted, but that might not be any time soon.

Yeah, I'm having trouble wrapping my brain around why it is a hurdle to encrypt the tune. It's not that big of a deal. Not judging, but encrypting firmware is a well understood process. Wondering if that really means they haven't quite fully baked the tune yet. **shrug**

Also, I haven't been able to find anyone selling the XT26 turbos so I'm having trouble sorting out the cost and the reliability history of the units.

Here's the tech data on them:

http://xcargot.com/products/xt26/

Best,

 

[terrelltechsup]

Thats with a Lap3 ecu tune which he wont release until its fully encrypted, but that might not be any time soon.

You know what this means to me? This tells me that the volume of tunes they perform is so low that they can't survive being undercut by others that reverse engineer their software. COBB doesn't have this problem. You know why? Because they provide the tool to the tuners. They don't try and monopolize the actual act of tuning a vehicle. LAP3 here is the deal, not everyone lives within a 500 mile radius of your location. If you want to increase the number of vehicles running your hardware, supply that hardware to the tuners that already exist across the world. The rest of the world isn't like South Korea. Tuners will push your product for you. Quit being overly concerned about reverse engineering.