Kia Stinger Navigation Map Update

[ShannonC]

AUS nav system is not the same as US.

 

[NoVAGT2]

AUS nav system is not the same as US.

The difference is what I'm trying to understand. GPS or Global Positioning System does not provide traffic data, so something else must be. A cellular connection? Ok, time for some coffee!

 

[ShannonC]

With AUS standard nav we don't use cell, but it can be used as a stand-alone guide.
Just about all GPS systems use the same satellites so they will gather information on traffic flow and transmit to vehicle. Transmitted information is pretty basic and will show on view screen as a red line on selected route if heavy traffic is encountered. System may also suggest an alternative route.

 

[eflyguy]

With AUS standard nav we don't use cell, but it can be used as a stand-alone guide.
Just about all GPS systems use the same satellites so they will gather information on traffic flow and transmit to vehicle. Transmitted information is pretty basic and will show on view screen as a red line on selected route if heavy traffic is encountered. System may also suggest an alternative route.

This is absolutely incorrect. GPS satellites do not gather any information from ground-based devices. They strictly transmit timecode and almanac (orbital position) information, and the nav system uses that to calculate location on the earth.

If you're getting traffic info, it's coming from a different satellite network (in the US, Sirius XM) or other sources (usually FM radio).

In the US, the Sirius XM traffic info is supposed to be "lifetime" even if you don't maintain a subscription to their regular "entertainment" services, but I have found that to be unreliable.

 

[Marc Collins]

This is absolutely incorrect. GPS satellites do not gather any information from ground-based devices. They strictly transmit timecode and almanac (orbital position) information, and the nav system uses that to calculate location on the earth.

If you're getting traffic info, it's coming from a different satellite network (in the US, Sirius XM) or other sources (usually FM radio).

In the US, the Sirius XM traffic info is supposed to be "lifetime" even if you don't maintain a subscription to their regular "entertainment" services, but I have found that to be unreliable.

People just refer to "satellite" signals. I don't think they are concerned about which satellite their car is connecting to or which functions one satellite performs versus another.

And to confirm, once you stop subscribing to Sirius in Canada, you stop getting their traffic info. KIA also has HD radio-based traffic, but like the Sirius-based traffic, it is a poor second cousin to Google or Waze. Unless someone thinks randomly inaccurate and out-of-date information is helpful.

 

[Berzerker]

They are running a survey for ideas about the future of the infotainment system: New Navigation Features Survey I suggest all of us go through and at the end comment about wanting the firmware updates for free without the map updates.

I came across this because I got an email about updating my maps but it seems like the software is still at v12.5 but the underlying map version may have changed.

I find it hilarious they're asking about features they've removed through the updates. "How useful is local search through the Internet," can I rate it a 0 since you removed it as of 12.5?

 

[SteveCo]

I find it hilarious they're asking about features they've removed through the updates. "How useful is local search through the Internet," can I rate it a 0 since you removed it as of 12.5?

Canada has always had the internet (google) location search function which runs over the UVO cellular connection, but I thought the U.S. market cars were always reliant on the supplied map location data, for the car's native navigation system?

 

[MerlintheMad]

Canada has always had the internet (google) location search function which runs over the UVO cellular connection, but I thought the U.S. market cars were always reliant on the supplied map location data, for the car's native navigation system?

I can't set up UVO on a TracFone flip phone anyway. I rely on what the car shows maps-wise. And oh brother is it off sometimes. Just yesterday I went "around" an island on the map that wasn't there in the real world: it was just a straight road. I think I remember the island, but roadwork has taken it out. And so it goes: the longer I go, the less reality will display on my screen (until I update; but the car's maps will always be behind the curve further than Google Maps).

Near future tech will use cameras and virtual reality to predict what we will see, from any angle or distance we choose. These rolling maps will look so quaint then.

 

[SteveCo]

I can't set up UVO on a TracFone flip phone anyway.

The telematics for UVO that enables the Google powered location search uses the cellular connection built in to the car - it doesn't need a user supplied phone. But to my knowledge that functionality has never been part of the U.S. market cars.

 

[Berzerker]

Canada has always had the internet (google) location search function which runs over the UVO cellular connection, but I thought the U.S. market cars were always reliant on the supplied map location data, for the car's native navigation system?

It relies on maps, but there's built-in WiFi functionality, so I had a hotspot connected to an OBDII port that provided WiFi so it could utilize the functionality. The button was gone, almost immediately after the last update. I'm talking to Kia support, their R&D is supposed to get back to me on some potential solutions.

 

[Marc Collins]

It relies on maps, but there's built-in WiFi functionality, so I had a hotspot connected to an OBDII port that provided WiFi so it could utilize the functionality. The button was gone, almost immediately after the last update. I'm talking to Kia support, their R&D is supposed to get back to me on some potential solutions.

It doesn't rely on maps. It uses Google search which then passes the addresses to the nav system. Since the nav system is completely incompetent at most searches (it only works well if you know the exact destination address), using Google for the search part redresses one major flaw in the usability of the system. I now refuse to use the nav directly as it cannot even smoothly accept the voice entry of an exact street address--multiple commonplace things trip it up. Even Google does that better, which is a sad commentary on a supposedly voice-activated nav system.

 

[Chris W]

I just read on the kia-gpsmap.us site that v13 will be released in mid-April. I called the Kia hotline a few weeks ago and they said I do get a free update (I have 1 2019) but I should wait for the new version, no reason to waste the freebie on a version (v12.5) that is getting replaced soon.

 

[MerlintheMad]

I'm going to wait even longer for my freebie upgrade if 12.5 doesn't inconvenience me too much on road trips.

 

[nhcowboy28]

I just read on the kia-gpsmap.us site that v13 will be released in mid-April. I called the Kia hotline a few weeks ago and they said I do get a free update (I have 1 2019) but I should wait for the new version, no reason to waste the freebie on a version (v12.5) that is getting replaced soon.

Anything interesting in v13 not in v12.5?

 

[SteveCo]

Anything interesting in v13 not in v12.5?

No details on changes that I can find. I'm more interested in changes to the HU software than to the actual mapping data, as they insist on bundling the two together into a single paid update ...

A little more advanced 2-way text messaging functionality would be welcome.

 

[Kamauxx]

No details on changes that I can find. I'm more interested in changes to the HU software than to the actual mapping data, as they insist on bundling the two together into a single paid update ...

A little more advanced 2-way text messaging functionality would be welcome.

You could probably check YouTube and see if there's a detailed infotainment video for the Telluride. Whatever version it's on should be comparable to the v13 update.

 

[DCBStingerGT]

Ok, I managed to download the update for the Stinger's Navigation Maps, it has been downloaded to a removable USB memory stick, to load it into the car's system, do you just stick the memory stick in the usb port next to the wireless charging pad in Aussie Stingers ?

 

[Marc Collins]

Ok, I managed to download the update for the Stinger's Navigation Maps, it has been downloaded to a removable USB memory stick, to load it into the car's system, do you just stick the memory stick in the usb port next to the wireless charging pad in Aussie Stingers ?

That would be too easy (and the way most other manufacturers do it). KIA uses the SD card system. There should be clear instructions given when you buy the update.

 

[AV8R]

Well all the updates downunder are free!

 

[Ozstung]

Well all the updates downunder are free!

I was told only the first one was free? How accurate is your mail? It would be great if thats true.