GT 2 AWD NOT REALLY A STINGER!?!?

[Segador]

What page in that book is that, never seen the book, I wonder why sales people knew nothing of it. Very curious, thanks.

 

[Segador]

I agree with English! Would be nice to get somewhere! However, I am a guarded pessimists until at least one person gets satisfaction. I have been off line for awhile looks like the post is alive and well. Sadly looks like we have a few more realizing the fast one that was pulled. It is also annoying to see thoes of us who CARE still have a following of naysayers, police, PSA personnel, and granny driving special people. (Bless your heart) Never mind that it can and will most likely hit the one's affected in the pocketbooks when we go to resell. Also, forget the fact this was false advertising and sets a precedence for manufacturers to continue such practices.

Good points, your more knowledgable about cars, than most chickadees.
I just got a phone call from Mike Byerly Peak CEO, he want to talk about his progress with Kia in the morning, so I will post what I hope is good news in the morning..

 

[English D]

Good points, your more knowledgable about cars, than most chickadees.
I just got a phone call from Mike Byerly Peak CEO, he want to talk about his progress with Kia in the morning, so I will post what I hope is good news in the morning..

sounds great please keep us informed of the out come and possible process for resolution thank you

 

[Segador]

sounds great please keep us informed of the out come and possible process for resolution thank you

I will do.

 

[mldavis2]

Pure speculation, but I see a couple of problems here.

First, Kia is not a performance company from a marketing standpoint. Sure, they got Biermann and Shreyer to build a great car to help raise Kia's flag, but the advertising people are not used to dealing with performance-oriented customers, nor are Kia dealers or Kia salespersons. It is a new ballgame to cater to up-scale performance-oriented buyers. They innocently believed that a 130mph speed limit was no big deal and they did in fact print that information on brochures. Nothing was "hidden," it was simply not recognized as a determining factor.

Second, most car salespersons are not car people, they are sales people. They sell vacuum cleaners one month, computers another and cars another. Most are somewhat hyperactive personalities who do not have the self-discipline or take the time to really learn their product like an enthusiast buyer would, or the time to learn competitors products. They sell, period. And while salespersons are not inherently dishonest, there is always the "lie by omission" which means that you tell the customer what (s)he wants to hear -- the truth, and nothing but the truth, but not the whole truth which may include negative information about your product. Lawyers do the same thing in the courtroom.

So I don't see the speed limit as something that Kia intentionally shoved onto their customers with the intent to defraud. And I don't see it as some insidious ploy by dealers to shove "crippled" cars off onto their customers. To most buyers, the limit is meaningless. To a few, it matters more in terms of knowing the car can go 167 and the (probably) false promise of a slightly higher resale value. In reality, most likely no dealer accepting a trade-in will ever care if the car only goes 130mph, and the Kelly Blue book value of Stingers will be linked to trim levels, not OEM tire selections. And of course most of us who are law-abiding citizens and mature drivers will never see anything above 130mph.

 

[Segador]

Pure speculation, but I see a couple of problems here.

First, Kia is not a performance company from a marketing standpoint. Sure, they got Biermann and Shreyer to build a great car to help raise Kia's flag, but the advertising people are not used to dealing with performance-oriented customers, nor are Kia dealers or Kia salespersons. It is a new ballgame to cater to up-scale performance-oriented buyers. They innocently believed that a 130mph speed limit was no big deal and they did in fact print that information on brochures. Nothing was "hidden," it was simply not recognized as a determining factor.

Second, most car salespersons are not car people, they are sales people. They sell vacuum cleaners one month, computers another and cars another. Most are somewhat hyperactive personalities who do not have the self-discipline or take the time to really learn their product like an enthusiast buyer would, or the time to learn competitors products. They sell, period. And while salespersons are not inherently dishonest, there is always the "lie by omission" which means that you tell the customer what (s)he wants to hear -- the truth, and nothing but the truth, but not the whole truth which may include negative information about your product. Lawyers do the same thing in the courtroom.

So I don't see the speed limit as something that Kia intentionally shoved onto their customers with the intent to defraud. And I don't see it as some insidious ploy by dealers to shove "crippled" cars off onto their customers. To most buyers, the limit is meaningless. To a few, it matters more in terms of knowing the car can go 167 and the (probably) false promise of a slightly higher resale value. In reality, most likely no dealer accepting a trade-in will ever care if the car only goes 130mph, and the Kelly Blue book value of Stingers will be linked to trim levels, not OEM tire selections. And of course most of us who are law-abiding citizens and mature drivers will never see anything above 130mph.

Now who is speculating.

 

[mldavis2]

Now who is speculating.

Read my first line, please.

Caveat emptor. If you believe a salesman, or if you fail to RTFP (Read The Fine Print) when you sign a contract, you get that to which you tacitly agree. I'm sorry you think you've been screwed. Ask your attorney if you have a case. The information has always been there, they're just using bigger letters now.

 

[davebo]

Salespeople are snakes and never to be trusted or believed, I'll agree to that. The idea that Kia corporate went out of their way to plaster "167 MPH" everywhere they possibly could then "innocently believed" 130 was sufficient is nonsense. At the time of launch they knew exactly what they were doing to save about $200 per unit with cheaper tires and once people caused a stink they made sure to get the "fine print" a little more noticeable to avoid future hurt feelings. They did what every corporation does, get away with something shady until it's no longer deemed worthwhile then change. And still all they changed was making sure people know about the 18" caveat. Ideally the goal will be for them to just put higher rated tires on the car and eliminate the need to have two separate speed governors in the first place. Time will tell if they do this for the 2019 MY.

 

[Segador]

Read my first line, please.

Caveat emptor. If you believe a salesman, or if you fail to RTFP (Read The Fine Print) when you sign a contract, you get that to which you tacitly agree. I'm sorry you think you've been screwed. Ask your attorney if you have a case. The information has always been there, they're just using bigger letters now.

If you believe that people buy stingers with no consideration to how fast it will go, then I figured out what happen, you got lost, and the Rio forum is looking for you!
Further more you were not there when I dropped the cash for my car. So you have no idea what was said or done. You need to go speak at Fred's church of the Buy Fast and Go Slow. I have spoke to a contract lawyer and believes it's a good case. My problem is I come from a part of this great country where we settle things a different way. Lawyers are for people that cannot stand up for themselves, now go away and let the Grown ups talk.

 

[davebo]

That kind of condescension isn't very productive, and I don't know where you "come from" but I'm pretty sure there's nowhere in America in 2018 where you can just punch out a car salesman because you didn't read the fine print, which is exactly why you're playing this by the rules and getting a lawyer.

 

[Segador]

Salespeople are snakes and never to be trusted or believed, I'll agree to that. The idea that Kia corporate went out of their way to plaster "167 MPH" everywhere they possibly could then "innocently believed" 130 was sufficient is nonsense. At the time of launch they knew exactly what they were doing to save about $200 per unit with cheaper tires and once people caused a stink they made sure to get the "fine print" a little more noticeable to avoid future hurt feelings. They did what every corporation does, get away with something shady until it's no longer deemed worthwhile then change. And still all they changed was making sure people know about the 18" caveat. Ideally the goal will be for them to just put higher rated tires on the car and eliminate the need to have two separate speed governors in the first place. Time will tell if they do this for the 2019 MY.

Just like you said ! If they were not trying to screw somebody it would not have been in the FINE PRINT. IF IT WAS EVEN THERE, I have the paper work I SIGNED, it didn't mention it.

 

[Ucinn]

I think lumping in all salespeople because of the acts of some isn't very productive. I sold cars for a bit and was completely honest and new all abut my product line. Most of the salespaople here at our Kia dealership aren't all that knowlegable about their product, but are also not dishonest about it. I think the bad ones are fewer than say 20 years ago.

 

[Segador]

I think lumping in all salespeople because of the acts of some isn't very productive. I sold cars for a bit and was completely honest and new all abut my product line. Most of the salespaople here at our Kia dealership aren't all that knowlegable about their product, but are also not dishonest about it. I think the bad ones are fewer than say 20 years ago.

I dont believe the Man that sold me my stinger, was dishonest at all. Until I know for sure I'm going to say he had no idea, the car was being misrepresented.

 

[davebo]

Yeah sorry if I misrepresented all salespeople. When I said "salespeople" I mean some. And the fact that there are some that are snakes means unless you have a previous relationship with one, or a recommendation from someone you trust, unfortunately you have to be skeptical of all of them. Snakes are the worst case scenario though. Like Segador said, some just don't know all the details of every car they sell, and I imagine it doesn't help matters when your car manufacturer adds a brand new model. The dealership closest to me was actually pretty annoyed at how little Kia was telling them about the Stinger right up until late December when they got them in the showroom.

 

[Segador]

That kind of condescension isn't very productive, and I don't know where you "come from" but I'm pretty sure there's nowhere in America in 2018 where you can just punch out a car salesman because you didn't read the fine print, which is exactly why you're playing this by the rules and getting a lawyer.

In my home town we are still looking for a car salesman that sold a van to the deacons of a local church . Then two weeks later it got a FLAT tire.

 

[Segador]

In my home town we are still looking for a car salesman that sold a van to the deacons of a local church . Then two weeks later it got a FLAT tire.

Ok now I'm messing with you..

 

[StingerGTT]

Said I’d be quiet from now on about this , but I have to intervene here and say THERE WAS NO FINE PRINT ! Period on the contract or the window sticker, we got the shaft end of long story.

 

[mldavis2]

I don't buy cars from looking only at the lease agreement, I research the car, spec it out and know exactly what I want and why. But I know others are emotional buyers and don't RTFP. So I am sending a suggestion to Kia that they buy a huge rubber stamp and stamp every brochure, every advertisement, every window sticker and every conceivable piece of paper even remotely related to the Stinger with the words:

CAUTION: STINGERS EQUIPPED WITH 18" ALL-WEATHER TIRES ARE SPEED LIMITED TO ONLY 130 MPH.

Then they need banners flying above the dealership so customers can see them before they drive onto the lot, and salespersons can see them as they come to work as a reminder that these cars are crippled to only double the national speed limit.

Sorry you guys missed the details. I didn't and I saw it many times. I hope the rebate you got pays for your attorney. Jeez.....

 

[eflyguy]

What page in that book is that, never seen the book, I wonder why sales people knew nothing of it. Very curious, thanks.

The brochure that I assume every dealer had for the Stinger - I got mine early, before the US cars arrived (but the Korean spec cars were in the showrooms) iirc. The two different dealers I have visited for test drives also offered one to me - which I declined as I had one already.

It's about 30 pages, very nicely printed, contains lots of great info about the car and its development. The comment about reduced top speed in on the color and wheel selection page, second-to-last (pages are not numbered).

 

[Segador]

The brochure that I assume every dealer had for the Stinger - I got mine early, before the US cars arrived (but the Korean spec cars were in the showrooms) iirc. The two different dealers I have visited for test drives also offered one to me - which I declined as I had one already.

It's about 30 pages, very nicely printed, contains lots of great info about the car and its development. The comment about reduced top speed in on the color and wheel selection page, second-to-last (pages are not numbered).

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That's nice, they had NO brochures, books, flyers, DVDs, or oil paintings. That even insinuated that the speed was changed. When I bought the car. Now I didn't write that in fine print. Is it so hard to believe that someone had a different buying experience than you. The sticker in the window said nothing about it, ( I've already but a picture of it on here) read the small print, speed change is not on there.