Burger Tuning JB4 for Kia Stinger!

[ecko04]

I'm in the same ball park. I want to do a jb4, but I also care about warranty a lot and want to make it as stock as possible for service visits. So changing plugs and running OBD cable through the firewall take this from a quick plug and play to something a bit more complicated.

Is running map 1 on the factory plugs with no canbus connection safe and acceptable? I know this would be leaving power on the table, but it makes it a lot easier. Map 1 with an intake would still help I feel like, but I have never driven it. Thanks for the help.

You guys over complicate the hell out of things. It’s like people hear, “run a wire through the firewall...” and instantly go:



Running the single wire for the OBDII takes 2 minutes (see video below), it’s not some laborious activity. While you can run the JB4 without the OBDII connection, it’s there for an important purpose and should be used to provide the unit with as much data as necessary. When you want to go to the shop, simply unplug the OBDII and tuck it up into the dash if you don’t want to spend the 30 seconds removing the wire completely.

Changing the spark plugs is regular routine maintenance. On a turbo motor, you’ll have to change them more frequently than a NA engine anyway. If you’re not mechanically inclined, take them to a shop and have them drop them in — you then drive worry free for the next 20K miles, and you’ll just change them again as a part of standard routine maintenance and does not hinder or impact the vehicle’s warranty.

 

[Whiteybird]

You guys over complicate the hell out of things.

Running the single wire for the OBDII takes 2 minutes (see video below), it’s not some laborious activity. While you can run the JB4 without the OBDII connection, it’s there for an important purpose and should be used to provide the unit with as much data as necessary. When you want to go to the shop, simply unplug the OBDII and tuck it up into the dash if you don’t want to spend the 30 seconds removing the wire completely.

Changing the spark plugs is regular routine maintenance. On a turbo motor, you’ll have to change them more frequently than a NA engine anyway. If you’re not mechanically inclined, take them to a shop and have them drop them in — you then drive worry free for the next 20K miles, and you’ll just change them again as a part of standard routine maintenance and does not hinder or impact the vehicle’s warranty.

I was literally about to post the same thing, but deleted it because I didn't feel like banging my head against the wall.

I feel a lot of this community is new to modding a vehicle in general and don't have the skillset to do so on their own, which is why questions like these come up. The JB4 install is literally minutes worth of work. And changing the plugs is tricky with the manifold still on, but not impossible. Its not like they go in and check your plug gaps when you come in for an oil change. lol.

 

[Theemfinger]

I appreciate the help. Not everyone has the same experience on vehicle mods and this is really my first car I've had that was worth modding. I apologize if this is asked often, but still not sure it was worth a condesending reply.

Thanks for the help though.

 

[Brlong23]

I'm having spark plugs installed tomorrow so that I can start running my JB4 on Map 2. Is this the max I should go on 93 octane, or can I run Map 3 without issue as well?

 

[ecko04]

I appreciate the help. Not everyone has the same experience on vehicle mods and this is really my first car I've had that was worth modding. I apologize if this is asked often, but still not sure it was worth a condesending reply.

Thanks for the help though.

If you’ve just gotten into modding and you consider what everyone has to say to you as condescending as opposed to extrapolating the usefulness to your specific application, you won’t make it far.

I could’ve just said don’t waste money on mods if you aren’t going to install take full advantage of them. That would’ve been condescending and provided no value. Instead, I provided you with the benefit of the CanBus, the lifecycle of spark plugs in a boosted application, and a video showing how to run the OBDII wire inside the car. All of which, when combined, will allow you to take advantage of the JB4 and at a minimum provide you with more options than a limited Map1 (without CanBus data).

Best of luck with whatever you do.

 

[ecko04]

I'm having spark plugs installed tomorrow so that I can start running my JB4 on Map 2. Is this the max I should go on 93 octane, or can I run Map 3 without issue as well?

It depends on fuel quality in your area. You’ll have to get some logs on Map3 using your choice of fuel to evaluate.

 

[Brlong23]

It depends on fuel quality in your area. You’ll have to get some logs on Map3 using your choice of fuel to evaluate.

All things being equal, say I have a good quality 93 (I usually get Shell V-Power) or Sunoco, then I would imagine I'll be alright. I'll start logging some runs to make sure though.

 

[ecko04]

All things being equal, say I have a good quality 93 (I usually get Shell V-Power) or Sunoco, then I would imagine I'll be alright. I'll start logging some runs to make sure though.

I’d strongly advise against the “all things being equal” approach. All things aren’t equal. Let the logs guide your decision making and not generalizations.

 

[Pnbnationsbest]

I appreciate the help. Not everyone has the same experience on vehicle mods and this is really my first car I've had that was worth modding. I apologize if this is asked often, but still not sure it was worth a condesending reply.

Thanks for the help though.

The frustration comes from the people that are too lazy to use the search function to see if their question had been asked and answered.

 

[Metalmania82]

I think there needs to be a sticky on here with the answers to all these questions that get repeated. And a link directly to the first post on the N54 forum that has basically all the info you need to start with.

 

[Revvdmedia]

Those concerned about warranty could take their car into an independent mechanic for basic maintenance (not warranty) and only take mods off when going to the dealer for warranty purposes, it limits how many times you need to remove mods. I will be doing this both because independent mechanics in my area are a fair bit cheaper than Kia dealers, they're really only doing oil changes and basic inspections which doesnt warrant needing a Kia dealer to perform this, and my dealership is on the naughty list for not dealing with my warranty work to my satisfaction so they can have all the less profitable warranty work and none of the profitable maintenance.

 

[Adamdan]

I'm in the same ball park. I want to do a jb4, but I also care about warranty a lot and want to make it as stock as possible for service visits. So changing plugs and running OBD cable through the firewall take this from a quick plug and play to something a bit more complicated.

Is running map 1 on the factory plugs with no canbus connection safe and acceptable? I know this would be leaving power on the table, but it makes it a lot easier. Map 1 with an intake would still help I feel like, but I have never driven it. Thanks for the help.

Gap factory plugs, obd cable takes 2 mins to run.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Changing plugs isn't going to be a cause for warranty denial IMHO. That's one of the few things actually protected by Magnuson–Moss

 

[Revvdmedia]

Changing plugs isn't going to be a cause for warranty denial IMHO. That's one of the few things actually protected by Magnuson–Moss

Especially when it has been shown that the factory spec plugs aren't perfect even on stock tunes. Call new plugs preventative maintenance lol.

 

[cncBilly]

I'm in the same ball park. I want to do a jb4, but I also care about warranty a lot and want to make it as stock as possible for service visits. So changing plugs and running OBD cable through the firewall take this from a quick plug and play to something a bit more complicated.

Is running map 1 on the factory plugs with no canbus connection safe and acceptable? I know this would be leaving power on the table, but it makes it a lot easier. Map 1 with an intake would still help I feel like, but I have never driven it. Thanks for the help.

My 2c. Running the cable through the firewall was seconds for me not an issue at all. However imho buying this product to leave on map 1 because you have warranty issues is a waste of money time and effort I dought your dyno-butt could tell (sorry Terry). I own said product run m2 which is noticable and when I get my hands on some boostane or equivalent I will go to m3 and behond. Save you money buy something else for your baby. Again my 2c. Love my jb4

 

[Theemfinger]

Gap factory plugs, obd cable takes 2 mins to run.

My 2c. Running the cable through the firewall was seconds for me not an issue at all. However imho buying this product to leave on map 1 because you have warranty issues is a waste of money time and effort I dought your dyno-butt could tell (sorry Terry). I own said product run m2 which is noticable and when I get my hands on some boostane or equivalent I will go to m3 and behond. Save you money buy something else for your baby. Again my 2c. Love my jb4

Thanks guys. This has probably been asked, but properly gapped stock plugs with an intake on map 1 or 2 on 93 fuel should be relatively safe? I have no intention of doing race fuel, e85, WMI, etc.

 

[Helo58]

Thanks guys. This has probably been asked, but properly gapped stock plugs with an intake on map 1 or 2 on 93 fuel should be relatively safe? I have no intention of doing race fuel, e85, WMI, etc.

Yes.

 

[Oryan]

I was literally about to post the same thing, but deleted it because I didn't feel like banging my head against the wall.

I feel a lot of this community is new to modding a vehicle in general and don't have the skillset to do so on their own, which is why questions like these come up. The JB4 install is literally minutes worth of work. And changing the plugs is tricky with the manifold still on, but not impossible. Its not like they go in and check your plug gaps when you come in for an oil change. lol.

Thanks guys. This has probably been asked, but properly gapped stock plugs with an intake on map 1 or 2 on 93 fuel should be relatively safe? I have no intention of doing race fuel, e85, WMI, etc.

More than likely yes but if you're going to pull the stock plugs and gap them, there is absolutely no reason to not just replace them with better plugs. We're not saying this for the sake of more power; Kia gave this car crappy stock plugs, bad to the point that it isn't uncommon on here to hear about spark blowout and plugs cracking on the stock tune, by people that just drive their cars normally.

 

[Kazz]

Plugs are scheduled to be replaced around 24,000 miles, IIRC. That's when you hand the mechanic the new plugs you want and tell him to gap them to .22 - .24.

 

[GRich]

I appreciate the help. Not everyone has the same experience on vehicle mods and this is really my first car I've had that was worth modding. I apologize if this is asked often, but still not sure it was worth a condesending reply.

Thanks for the help though.

@Theemfinger I was in the exact same position as you a few months ago... new to modding cars and not really knowing how to "wrench." But I spent hours upon hours on this forum searching and reading different threads for what I was interested in accomplishing. Through doing so, I was able to install the my intakes, JB4, and OCCs. The only thing I didn't do was change out my own spark plugs, but I did gap them myself (wanted to be sure they were done to my specs) and had the dealer install them for me when I went in for my second free oil change. I would say that just about everyone on here has good intentions and is helpful in providing information, especially @Terry@BMS. As a matter of fact, I emailed Terry a picture and question last night regarding my WMI install and he provided me an answer within a couple of hours, so I should be able to finish that install tomorrow night. His customer support is awesome! My point is do your research and don't feel bad about asking your questions. I know there is still so much more I need to learn about how different factors affect my engine's performance, but this forum is a good place to seek information.

Good luck, brother!