Wheel/size/offset and tire/size/profile...can be confusing.

Socalvn is running 20" wheels and tires, IIRC. The shorter and stiffer sidewalls do make a difference on optimum camber settings. In fact, on every one of my alignment sheets, it lists acceptable ranges for each of the parameters for the 18s I have one. Some of these ranges will most likely be different for 19s and for sure 20s.
What do you recommend for camber on 20s I'm running 245/35 front and 285/30 rear and drive somewhat aggressive in cornering but more interested in longevity with tires if you remember my post im at 0 camber front and 1 1/6 negative rear .
Thanks you seem very educated on this.
 
Socalvn is running 20" wheels and tires, IIRC. The shorter and stiffer sidewalls do make a difference on optimum camber settings. In fact, on every one of my alignment sheets, it lists acceptable ranges for each of the parameters for the 18s I have one. Some of these ranges will most likely be different for 19s and for sure 20s.
Ah that makes a lot of sense, then the camber is def not as desirable, it works for me since im running quite a lot of tire sidewall
 
What do you recommend for camber on 20s I'm running 245/35 front and 285/30 rear and drive somewhat aggressive in cornering but more interested in longevity with tires if you remember my post im at 0 camber front and 1 1/6 negative rear .
Thanks you seem very educated on this.
lol... all I can say is that I know enough to know what I know and what I don't know. :D

While I don't have a direct answer to your question, I do know how you can get it. What you need to do is to get your alignment checked at a reputable shop. I highly recommend paying for Lifetime Alignment, if you plan on keep the car for a while and/or you intend on doing suspension mods and Hi-Perf driving. If you've already got an alignment sheet, look on it to examine the prescribed allowable ranges, like this one of mine done just last week, after we installed the Riaction coilovers:

Mine are listed for 18s, yours will be for 20s. Mine says front camber should be -1.0 max. I pushed it by only 1.0deg more -ve, which is not really all that much. As I mentioned previously, depending on how it goes at the next track event, I might go another 0.5deg, which would be even more of a track alignment. How much you should push it is rather complicated, because it depends on many factors:

1. How much the camber changes on the outside wheels wtih lateral G. When you dive hard into a corner, the outside suspensions (especially the front) get compressed hard. At the same time, the entire chassis rolls to the outside. Both of these actions reduce the effective negative camber angles on the outside wheels. With stock suspension (soft springs/dampers, lots of suspension travel, and tall CG), the outside wheels' camber reduces significantly. Conversely, with coilovers and ride height (CG) lowering, outside wheels' camber changes are drastically reduced, thus requiring less static negative camber to compensate for suspension geometry shifts at maximum lateral G. So... for those of us with coilovers, this means (A) that we don't need as much negative camber and (B) whatever -ve camber we do dial in maintains its effect more stably than with stock suspension.

2. Shape of the contact patch. The wider the wheel/tire, the more the pressure distribution varies from inside to outside, whenever you dial in more negative camber. Too much negative camber, you're basically wasting the outside contact patch.

3. The tire aspect ratio. This is somewhat related to (2) above. The lower the profile, the stiffer the sidewall, the less compliance there is in the tire to help the contact patch maintain even pressure distribution. This needs to be balanced with the benefit of reduced tire squirm sharpening handling, of course.

4. There are more, but this post is already turning into a dissertation. :)

The other major factor to consider is Front and Rear camber relative to each other. The more differential between the two, the more pronounced the cornering characteristics will change. Bear in mind the standard ranges seen below are meant for street alignment optimized for safety - not outright performance. It goes from the least understeer on one end (-1.0 F and -0.9 R) to the most understeer on the other end (0.0 F and -1.9 R). If you ever pay attention to other cars (not trucks) on the road, vast majority of them are set with visibly more rear camber than front. This is good for safety but really sucks when you start increasing your cornering speed, as the front end will push and scrub off speed, limiting the car's performance potential and "fun" factor.

HOWEVER... unless you plan on tracking the car, it is best to keep within - or at least stay close to - the spread prescribed on your alignment sheet. That means in my case here, front camber should be no more than -0.1deg over the rear, for a street-only setup. Currently, I have pushed the limit to -0.6deg differential. That is what I feel comfortable at this point, until I'm able to qualify the car's cornering attitude.

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Without seeing your alignment sheet, I would hazard a guess that your current camber settings are a good starting point. You can do the parking lot skidpad test to get an idea of your car's cornering attitude near the limits. Unless your car is an understeer fest (I doubt it is), you might stay right where you are. Even when carving some mean twisties and gnarly canyons, your car is probably unlikely to underperform to a point of making the driving experience subpar.
 
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I definitely do want to test how it feels with the squared setup compared to stock, this’ll be fun to try
I re-read my parking lot test description and thought I should have been more clear, so here goes:

To test for understeer/oversteer, what you really should do is to get into a spinning circle (as mentioned previously), arrive at a speed that is fairly fast but shy of tire screeching. Maintain that speed and hold a steady throttle, then note where your steering angle is at. Again, this should be into the direction of the turn.

Now, squeeze the accel pedal gently to increase speed, while holding the same skidpad diameter. 1 of 3 scenarios will occur:

1. You need to turn the steering wheel MORE into the turn to keep the circle diameter the same. This is UNDERSTEER.

2. You need NO steering input EITHER WAY to keep the circle diameter the same. This is NEUTRAL STEER.

3. You need to turn the steering wheel LESS into the turn to keep the circle diameter the same. This is OVERSTEER.

Note that this test is for TERMINAL UNDER/OVERSTEER. That is to say, when the car is in a steady turn, where the suspension articulations have all settled into and holding an equilibrium. Negative camber actually affects INITIAL UNDER/OVERSTEER more profoundly. However, that is a transient response and much more difficult for the average driver to evaluate. Just about any experienced drivers can perform and evaluate the terminal test.

No. 3 is inherently UNSTABLE but arguably more entertaining in the hands of a competent driver. It can make for faster lap times, but not always.

No. 1 is inherently STABLE, which is why virtually all vehicles on the roads are tuned this way... some more than others.
 
I think launch control is also a good test to see how the car holds a straight line
 
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I’m about to do something I usually hope others DON’T do…ask for specific advice before completing exhaustive research through the posts that already exist on this forum. But with the sheer volume of information posted, some conflicting, I thought I’d bite the bullet and ask the question in case others could also benefit.

I drive a 2022 GT2 AWD with completely stock electronic suspension (other than Mando ECS10) and the stock staggered 19x8(F) and 19x8.5(R) wheels.

I would like to run square for many reasons (enable tire rotation, maximize use of AWD, compensate…a bit…for lack of camber, etc).

Is there a 19x9 solution with all 4 wheels running the same offset with zero rubbing in almost all street driving situations? If not would there be one with the use of spacers (which I’d prefer to avoid)?

Nice-to-have would be more of a flush look.

Would it be ridiculous to ask if there’s a 19x9.5 solution?

I do have decades of such wheel/tire/suspension modification/tuning experience in hobby-level track performance situations, but those were all RWD SLA setups with full alignment control, making things that much more straightforward. I really need to find more McPherson experience to learn its advantages.

[Ducking. Covering. …Hoping.]

Thanks.
 
OK.

Can anyone give me an idea of how much more harsh the ride is on 20s than 19s, all else equal?
 
I have an opportunity to get niche milans locally for $500. Will 20"x 8.5" front 20"x10" Rear, ET 32 & H&R RWD springs work?
 
For the front axle, stay as close to the stock 34mm offset as you can, so as to maintain the same scrub radius. ET35 should clear the strut no problem with 8.5" rim.

I decided to get the rfs1.9 (19x8.5et35) with 255/35/r19 wheels. Do you think there will be any poke in the fronts or rears?
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I decided to get the rfs1.9 (19x8.5et35) with 255/35/r19 wheels. Do you think there will be any poke in the fronts or rears?
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A square setup with that would work great. The wheels/tires should stay well under the fenders, as they should.

That's a good looking wheel and should provide excellent cooling for the brakes. Love the copper!
 
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A square setup with that would work great. The wheels/tires should stay well under the fenders, as they should.

That's a good looking wheel and should provide excellent cooling for the brakes. Love the copper!
After a two month wait, finally got them! Fit great.
 

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Looks great! Love the car color with the bronze wheels. I’m contemplating similar with my Ascot Green.

Quick question: How much space do you have between the wheel/tire (whichever is closer) and the strut (or closest interference object) front and rear? To the fender?

Thanks, and congrats!
 
After a two month wait, finally got them! Fit great.
I like my Panthera Metal, but you guys with Micro Blue is my favorite Stinger color - congrats!
 
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TLDR: I can't find an answer in this thread... What size tires can I run on a 20" square setup on an AWD, if the rims have a +40 offset and are either 8" or 8.5" wide?

I ask for both widths b/c I just bought the car used this past weekend, with these rims already on it...and it's been too cold to go out and take them off and find out which is correct.
The current tires are 245/35, but I feel like they're a little undersized.

Can I go upto 245/40, or can I go out to a 255/35?

I actually don't like the rims that are on it for one, and two, the ride is killing me with a vibration.
It's the same feel as if you had a single back window open...and the speed in which it happens is inconsistent.
The car has already been re-aligned and the tires rebalanced, but no dice.
I have some hub rings coming, so that's going to be my last attempt to fix it before changing tires.

If I try for new tires, I was thinking about getting some winter ones...and then get a new/better/staggered setup after the upcoming pothole season.

Long story short on how I made it to this thread... TIA!
 

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I was wondering if a stock height with aodhan ds02 19x8.5 +35 will fit ? What tire dimensions should I get? 255/35? Also if I wanted to lower the car just a little, will it make a difference?
 
I was wondering if a stock height with aodhan ds02 19x8.5 +35 will fit ? What tire dimensions should I get? 255/35? Also if I wanted to lower the car just a little, will it make a difference?
Yes that wheel and tire size will work on the Stinger
I would just recommend to check to make sure that wheel clears the Stinger brake if you have the GT since the wheel has a large lip
 
Sorry to revive and old thread but would someone be able to tell me or put me in the direction to finding out if a 18x10.5 et22 would fit in the rear?
 
Sorry to revive and old thread but would someone be able to tell me or put me in the direction to finding out if a 18x10.5 et22 would fit in the rear?
I think this would stick out significantly. Say we start with the stock 19x8.5 +46.5, and widen to 10.5" at the same offset. That's an additional inch to the inside and outside edge.

That would probably be ok on the outside edge, because we know a 20mm (0.8") spacer on stock wheels brings things roughly flush. I'm not sure if there's a full inch of clearance on the inside edge though.

But reducing the offset from 46.5 to 22, which is 24.5mm or very close to an inch, means the inside edge is back about where stock was but the outside edge is an additional inch outward (two inches more than stock).

As always, happy to hear input from someone who's tried a similar size, but I think would put you way outside the fenders.
 
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