3.3TT Wagner Tuning intercooler

[ecko04]

Wait what? I don't follow, what was the reason you didn't order and are glad you didn't? The little air ducts? lol

C'mon David, do we really have to go through this. Because it's something that caused one to pause on a purchase, they're now referred to as "little".

But yes, those "little" air ducts that were in the photos as well as the installation video. I was under the assumption that they were included knowing that they aren't, i'll continue to compare before deciding on a purchase. Given my confusion on that aspect, and given that I would've been disappointed once it arrived without them, yes, I am glad I didn't order.

I'm sure Vellosa Tech would disagree as will several running those snorkels in terms of their effectiveness.

 

[STINGER]

I noticed cooler IAT with the Velossa's at normal speeds, the faster the better they perform. Wagner knows this otherwise they wouldn't have designed ducts to begin with and omit them due to costs and not that they didn't perform.

 

[K8 Stinger Store]

C'mon David, do we really have to go through this. Because it's something that caused one to pause on a purchase, they're now called "little". Were they called little in the previous discussion? I expected a more civility from you than this, given that you are also a vendor.

But yes, those "little" air ducts that were in the photos as well as the installation video, but aren't included at the $1100 USD selling price. If it was an all-in-one solution, I would've pulled the trigger. I was under the assumption that they were included knowing that they aren't, i'll continue to compare before deciding on a purchase.

I'm sure Vellosa Tech would disagree as will several running those snorkels in terms of their effectiveness.

Wow, I think you took my response a little out of context. Me calling them little had NOTHING to do with one pausing on making the purchase of the intercooler.

My emphasization on the word "little" was not intended to be "uncivil" as you are making it out to be, it was meant to emphasize the fact that the small ducts are most likely not going to make much of a difference in terms of the performance of the intercooler. This conversation about the ducts not being included took place here 34 days ago, in this very thread on post #72, where we explained after confirming with Wagner that those are not part of the kit being sold.

Furthermore, I never said that the little ducts from Velossa Tech do not help force air into the intake, my post was referencing the effectiveness of the ducts shown in the original picture from Wagner making a difference or not with their intercooler. We have not even confirmed yet that the Velossa Tech ones would not fit with this intercooler installed.

I am appalled that you think my response was not civil, but I think you just misunderstood or took my response out of context. I may be a vendor, but I am also a consumer as well, that is very much into cars. I have been involved with the community and a Kia owner since 2011 and regardless if I sell car parts or not, have every right to participate in any debate or conversation as to whether I feel a part is going to make a difference or not.

I am open to the concept that they may make a difference, but am just saying that no one has done any type of testing to substantiate that yet, so people ruling out the product because it doesn't include the little plastic ducts, while being their choice, seems a bit silly since no one has confirmed statistically if they even make a difference or not. That's all I was saying from my post, nothing less, nothing more...

 

[DaJackson]

I am open to the concept that they may make a difference, but am just saying that no one has done any type of testing to substantiate that yet

What type of testing do people want? Dyno tests won’t prove anything because a dyno with a variable speed fan to simulate vehicle movement doesn’t exist. I dont think anyone is claiming 15-20hp so draggy/track results won’t be conclusive.

I did temperature testing at the filter an noted a significant increase in temp drop at the filter (temperature dropped faster and got to ambient quicker) when the car started moving compared to stock.

 

[K8 Stinger Store]

What type of testing do people want? Dyno tests won’t prove anything because a dyno with a variable speed fan to simulate vehicle movement doesn’t exist. I dont think anyone is claiming 15-20hp so draggy/track results won’t be conclusive.

I did temperature testing at the filter an noted a significant increase in temp drop at the filter (temperature dropped faster and got to ambient quicker) when the car started moving compared to stock.

Great question, and I am not sure on that one. I don't necessarily disagree with you, I just find it interesting that some are ready to rule out the intercooler, just due to the fact that those are not there. One would imagine that a reputable German engineering company like Wagner would have put them there if they made any kind of difference in their real-world testing when developing the intercooler.

 

[STINGER]

Great question, and I am not sure on that one. I don't necessarily disagree with you, I just find it interesting that some are ready to rule out the intercooler, just due to the fact that those are not there. One would imagine that a reputable German engineering company like Wagner would have put them there if they made any kind of difference in their real-world testing when developing the intercooler.

They did, but apparently made a business decision to not use them due to high cost etc. nobody is doubting there product, its just that we have been waiting for months and everything they showed indicated that ducts would be included and now we get half of what we expected, plus no hot/cold pipes.

At this stage I would rather keep the ducts and go with another intercooler with pipes and save money in the process.

If wagner introduces the ducts and at least the cold pipes for 1.5k or below, it still has a market. It is a very good intercooler no doubt.

 

[K8 Stinger Store]

They did, but apparently made a business decision to not use them due to high cost etc.

No, they held off from making them in Carbon Fiber due to the high cost. They didn't put the ducts in, because for whatever reason, their R&D department didn't think they were necessary.

nobody is doubting there product, its just that we have been waiting for months and everything they showed indicated that ducts would be included and now we get half of what we expected, plus no hot/cold pipes.

Again, we posted over a month ago in post #72 that those ducts were not included, and 2 little plastic ducts are not half of what you get in the kit, that is a massive exaggeration as those are very small pieces compared to the product you get.

Wagner has never included new piping with any of their vehicle-specific intercooler kits, as they pride themselves on the ease of installation and being able to use all of the factory piping on the vehicle with ZERO modification.

We have sold nearly 10 of these already, so I'm sure there will be lots of new info pouring into the forums regarding the intercooler soon enough.

If wagner introduces the ducts and at least the cold pipes for 1.5k or below, it still has a market. It is a very good intercooler no doubt.

Fingers crossed, as I would like to see this as well, and agree 100% with that!

 

[ZyroXZ2]

On the flipside, someone seems to be trying really hard to sell these... lol

 

[xot1]

I will add that if you use ducts as shown on the wagner video, you're reducing the amount of direct air flow going to the radiator and the transmission cooler.
One possible reason why people saw lower IATs with aftermarket ducts is maybe because originally the air flow goes through a complicated path (up,left,down,right..) before going to the inlet. Just remove the plastic thing and you may see the same result.

 

[K8 Stinger Store]

On the flipside, someone seems to be trying really hard to sell these... lol

LOL this is just silly. We have already sold 9 as of today.

We seem to be one of the only companies really selling them other than Wagner right now, so me taking the time as the owner of my business to comment on the forum is not because "we are trying really hard to sell them" it is more so to clear up some of the confusion as to why some are losing interest based on what other members are commenting.

If we were really trying hard to sell them, we would have probably already created a forum thread selling the product like the other 75+ threads we have selling our products, and we would have probably put together a group buy as well. In all reality, we aren't trying hard to sell these at all, just trying to make sure the most accurate information is out there.

 

[xot1]

I don't think K8 stinger is trying hard to sell the intercooler. We waited a long time for this product and he just doesn't want the enthousiasm to fade (at least in this thread) because of a detail that should not be regarded as a important factor.

This intercooler is one of the few that has been designed especially for the stinger and developped through a lot of simulations to maximize its performance. It should be a good product, but for sceptics, time will tell if it keeps its promess.

BTW I didn't recreive my IC yet and I didn't even buy it from K8 so I don't care if he sells more or less, I am just trying to participate on the air ducts debate. (just in case!)

 

[ZyroXZ2]

LOL this is just silly. We have already sold 9 as of today.

We seem to be one of the only companies really selling them other than Wagner right now, so me taking the time as the owner of my business to comment on the forum is not because "we are trying really hard to sell them" it is more so to clear up some of the confusion as to why some are losing interest based on what other members are commenting.

If we were really trying hard to sell them, we would have probably already created a forum thread selling the product like the other 75+ threads we have selling our products, and we would have probably put together a group buy as well. In all reality, we aren't trying hard to sell these at all, just trying to make sure the most accurate information is out there.

And also super defensive

Hiiiighly suspeccctttt lol

 

[xot1]

What I am personally a bit worried about is the additional weight vs stock. It may be hard to avoid with such a large IC but since I try to reduce weight here and there, it will cancel some of my hard work.

Also, about fitment: it fits perfectly 10 out of 10.
BUT since it is a perfect fit, it will interfere if you have a G70 front rail (thicker) or a G70 transmission cooler (larger). My friend had to swap back the Stinger front rail and cut a little bit on the right of the G70 transmission cooler. But I don't recall anyone swapping these parts in the US.

 

[K8 Stinger Store]

I don't think K8 stinger is trying hard to sell the intercooler. We waited a long time for this product and he just doesn't want the enthousiasm to fade (at least in this thread) because of a detail that should not be regarded as a important factor.

This intercooler is one of the few that has been designed especially for the stinger and developped through a lot of simulations to maximize its performance. It should be a good product, but for sceptics, time will tell if it keeps its promess.

BTW I didn't recreive my IC yet and I didn't even buy it from K8 so I don't care if he sells more or less, I am just trying to participate on the air ducts debate. (just in case!)

Thank you for this post!

And also super defensive

Hiiiighly suspeccctttt lol

LOL ok!

 

[CoconutRob]

I will add that if you use ducts as shown on the wagner video, you're reducing the amount of direct air flow going to the radiator and the transmission cooler.
One possible reason why people saw lower IATs with aftermarket ducts is maybe because originally the air flow goes through a complicated path (up,left,down,right..) before going to the inlet. Just remove the plastic thing and you may see the same result.
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That's what I have been saying all along, they look as if they would block air from other places.

 

[Angel]

On the flipside, someone seems to be trying really hard to sell these... lol

Lol hahahahaha I was waiting for you to comment! You did my day!

 

[Angel]

C'mon David, do we really have to go through this. Because it's something that caused one to pause on a purchase, they're now referred to as "little".

But yes, those "little" air ducts that were in the photos as well as the installation video. I was under the assumption that they were included knowing that they aren't, i'll continue to compare before deciding on a purchase. Given my confusion on that aspect, and given that I would've been disappointed once it arrived without them, yes, I am glad I didn't order.

I'm sure Vellosa Tech would disagree as will several running those snorkels in terms of their effectiveness.

If you want a cheap intercooler that is an upgrade over oem get the AP intercooler and it’s completely bolt on and it uses oem ic pipes and you could use the velossa big mouth if you already have them. There on eBay for $560 shipped. There is not data out there proving that any intercooler will outperform the other. It’s like Intake it’s all subjective. If you want a big intercooler with ducts then you can get the JT intercooler which is about the cost of the Wagner. Beware that is from Australia and there is longer lead time with that. I personally understand where you are coming from. I would prefer to get the AP and have $600 bucks on my pocket. I had the Ultimate Performance intercooler and it was great. I mean it all depends what like and want.

 

[STINGER]

No, they held off from making them in Carbon Fiber due to the high cost. They didn't put the ducts in, because for whatever reason, their R&D department didn't think they were necessary.


Again, we posted over a month ago in post #72 that those ducts were not included, and 2 little plastic ducts are not half of what you get in the kit, that is a massive exaggeration as those are very small pieces compared to the product you get.

I am just quoting you regarding the high cost, you didn't mention anything regarding the R&D before "These were prototypes that had been planned to make of Carbon Fiber, but the cost was too high to market that way."

I understand you mentioned a month ago about not having the ducts, but we have been waiting from Dec since they posted that first video which showed the ducts. The ducts might not be half in size, but they certainly make up for it in size/cost with the IAT results. Anyways, no point arguing this back and forth. It is what it is, everybody can spend their money were they want.

 

[STINGER]

What I am personally a bit worried about is the additional weight vs stock. It may be hard to avoid with such a large IC but since I try to reduce weight here and there, it will cancel some of my hard work.

Also, about fitment: it fits perfectly 10 out of 10.
BUT since it is a perfect fit, it will interfere if you have a G70 front rail (thicker) or a G70 transmission cooler (larger). My friend had to swap back the Stinger front rail and cut a little bit on the right of the G70 transmission cooler. But I don't recall anyone swapping these parts in the US.

The weight is something to consider, will wait for your weight test results.

G70 front rail (thicker) or a G70 transmission cooler (larger), WHAT!? what secrets are you guys keeping away from us?! how come you never posted about this!? must post a separate thread and share with the community.

 

[xot1]

The weight is something to consider, will wait for your weight test results.

G70 front rail (thicker) or a G70 transmission cooler (larger), WHAT!? what secrets are you guys keeping away from us?! how come you never posted about this!? must post a separate thread and share with the community.

The G70 bumper rail is made of alluminium and is 7kg lighter than the Stinger one (steel).
The G70 transmission cooler is 40% larger than the Stinger one (7 lines vs 5 lines)
Both are compatible so some people swap them.