Stinger JB4 Pure Hybrid Turbo Testing

[Terry@BMS]

That is reasonable. I must have went to “check out” and hit the wrong core charge option. Then again that is the real number if you look st it logically. Almost all other mods leave you with your stock parts. $6k+ is the number I see

$6474.60 to be exact with the I the R and the S’s share..

Yes hybrids have a core charge, especially early on when there are not a ton of stock turbos floating around. As to the value of it we'll have to compare with other 3.3L Stinger options to really know. But the price is typical for quality hybrids.

 

[washguy]

The beauty of hybrids is that the turbos are the cost, period

what about the new ecu tuning and what have you? Ill bet that's extra...right? wrong? Wash

 

[brancky3]

what about the new ecu tuning and what have you? Ill bet that's extra...right? wrong? Wash

Yes but that's the same cost whether stock turbos, hybrids, or bigger turbos

 

[Angel]

That is reasonable. I must have went to “check out” and hit the wrong core charge option. Then again that is the real number if you look st it logically. Almost all other mods leave you with your stock parts. $6k+ is the number I see

$6474.60 to be exact with the I the R and the S’s share..

I won’t be getting these turbos anytime soon .... lol anyone wants to buy a baby ?? I will sell her cheap for 5k she has all her shots up to date ? Anyone ?? She is potty trained as well, 1 year old ....

 

[Adamdan]

I wonder if the dealer could tell with these turbos installed....just wanted to add I went from 311whp with jb4 off to 375whp on a mustang dyno. Saw a comment about it’s hard to believe map 2 and intakes added 70whp.

 

[Blitz]

Physical products for hybrid turbos will be the same for stock turbos, since they have the same housing. Software products (ECU back end flashes) would be slightly different based on the map you need.

At least that's how I interpreted his comment

Yeah my question should have been: Does this mean we may have a new ECU tune player for even the stock turbos!?

 

[washguy]

Yeah my question should have been: Does this mean we may have a new ECU tune player for even the stock turbos!?

Blitz You are on the top of your game sir! Wash

 

[Crewdawg130]

what about the new ecu tuning and what have you? Ill bet that's extra...right? wrong? Wash

I believe we posted results from map 0 -3. Is an average of 35-40 gain each map with out changing anything. The flash would be recommended above that to get full benefits from the turbos.

 

[brancky3]

Yeah my question should have been: Does this mean we may have a new ECU tune player for even the stock turbos!?

If they are strictly using the ECU flash to remove limitations and to be used in conjunction with the JB4, probably not but I hope I'm wrong! But, the question really should be if an ECU flash is actually needed with stock turbos? I don't remember hearing of Terry's car running into any limits and he is trapping far faster than any other car right now.

 

[Angel]

If they are strictly using the ECU flash to remove limitations and to be used in conjunction with the JB4, probably not but I hope I'm wrong! But, the question really should be if an ECU flash is actually needed with stock turbos? I don't remember hearing of Terry's car running into any limits and he is trapping far faster than any other car right now.

I am sure an ecu flash can be used on stock turbos to adress other things that the JB4 can’t adresss ... like speed limiter without tapping into wires , torque limits, tcu , etc ..... but the issues not enough development on ecu Tunning at least there is no one really out I would trust to tune my car yet .....

 

[DarthVaderIX]

I wonder if the dealer could tell with these turbos installed....just wanted to add I went from 311whp with jb4 off to 375whp on a mustang dyno. Saw a comment about it’s hard to believe map 2 and intakes added 70whp.

How does your car feel? Does it feel a lot faster? What intakes do you have.

 

[Adamdan]

How does your car feel? Does it feel a lot faster? What intakes do you have.

Oh yeah pulls way harder, if I was running more E85 at the time so I could have tested map 3 on the dyno. I’m running stock intakes with k&n panel filters with jun mid pipes and evc. I’m getting my draggy this weekend so I can test some 0-60 and will do a 1/4 mile soon as well. I’ve thought about getting a intake but I want to see how my car performs vs people with intakes. I think the stock intake is such a good design and my car seems to be making awesome power with it. Guys running the dyno said my car would probably make around 430whp on map 2 on a dyno jet. Was making huge Torque too but can’t remember the number.

 

[Blitz]

If they are strictly using the ECU flash to remove limitations and to be used in conjunction with the JB4, probably not but I hope I'm wrong! But, the question really should be if an ECU flash is actually needed with stock turbos? I don't remember hearing of Terry's car running into any limits and he is trapping far faster than any other car right now.

There are quite a few optimizations you can make to the ecu to better enable use of the horsepower you do have. IAT wires could be taken out of the equation, fuel wires too if you wanted, faster shifts, less throttle cut on shifts, higher launch control, and I'm sure there are more that I don't know about.

It's not a question whether the car would be faster if someone had access to the entire ECU. The question is whether it would be safe on the stock hardware and whether someone has the time and money to do it.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

As soon as we get the ECU it will be shipped out. Trust me it wont be months of developing they’ve been doing it for a while. And yes, it was in the 11s over 120mph. As soon as this is figured out the community will have another option. The best of both worlds. Because to be real, until open source obd2 tuning is available, this is the best user friendly way to tune at the moment. IMO

Hows this going @Crewdawg130 Almost done with indexing the ECU and Flashing it? Hows the TCU going?

 

[Terry@BMS]

There are quite a few optimizations you can make to the ecu to better enable use of the horsepower you do have. IAT wires could be taken out of the equation, fuel wires too if you wanted, faster shifts, less throttle cut on shifts, higher launch control, and I'm sure there are more that I don't know about.

It's not a question whether the car would be faster if someone had access to the entire ECU. The question is whether it would be safe on the stock hardware and whether someone has the time and money to do it.

I've been working with a few Korean customers who are running flash maps and we've found the fuel wires are still really useful for dynamic AFR adjustment. IAT wire no longer needed though. The biggest thing the flashed cars need, so far, is an easy way to change boost levels based on fuel and the JB4 has been perfect for that for them. Second biggest thing has been a good logging tool that shows knock in all 6 cylinders so they can judge how far to push things. Again JB4 is perfect for that.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Trust me it wont be months of developing they’ve been doing it for a while.

Bump for updates Just wondering how this is progressing? Sounded like you were going to nail this out pretty quickly. Wonder if the indexing of the ECU has been completed. You mentioned you were diving into the TCU already as well. Hows that coming along?

 

[Tonkabob]

These comments are not going to age well

These comments are aging like a fine wine.

 

[DarthVaderIX]

If there’s no progress yet, we understand we just want to know.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Bump for updates Just wondering how this is progressing? Sounded like you were going to nail this out pretty quickly. Wonder if the indexing of the ECU has been completed. You mentioned you were diving into the TCU already as well. Hows that coming along?

I think he's still trying to find a flash tuner to do what he wants. This is always the frustrating part of any first time large turbo project like this. What this community really needs is solid at home flashing tools, and developed environments (like TunerPro, HP Tuners, or Cobb) for tuners like myself to modify and publish large turbo base maps for you guys. Hopefully the tuning technology catches up with the turbo hardware sooner or later.

 

[TwinSnails]

Bump for updates Just wondering how this is progressing? Sounded like you were going to nail this out pretty quickly. Wonder if the indexing of the ECU has been completed. You mentioned you were diving into the TCU already as well. Hows that coming along?

I think he’s waiting until multiple things are completed to say anything at all. IE: Fuel pump, ECU, TCU... and the Pure Turbos optimized.