Stinger JB4 Pure Hybrid Turbo Testing

[DaBears4Lyfe]

No not going to share the times because they are not very impressive for the setup. Wouldn't be fair to Pure turbo given a few clowns in this community who are just looking for any excuse to trash them. Traps are decent and we can see it's making the power. But ET isn't where it needs to be. When things are working right results will be shared.

Really? That's a bummer. Just because it didnt perform as expected doenst mean you should hide it lol. Ballpark? Did you guys hit 11s? 118+Trap speed?

 

[Terry@BMS]

IMO I think it is with a back end flash. Unless you wanna be on kill mode all the time. To each its own, but i like to control boost and fuel as needed. So with Terry’s input well make a Back end flash and still have flexibility. I can raise and lower boost, tweek AFRs, trigger Meth, fill with e85, all on the fly. Even valet mode

Exactly... Flash only would be a super limiting for the setup, need some changes that can only be made via flash, combined with everything else the JB4 offers.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

IMO I think it is with a back end flash. Unless you wanna be on kill mode all the time. To each its own, but i like to control boost and fuel as needed. So with Terry’s input well make a Back end flash and still have flexibility. I can raise and lower boost, tweek AFRs, trigger Meth, fill with e85, all on the fly. Even valet mode

Do you have an ETA on when you will get a ECU flash and try giving us some times? Hopefully you work with someone who has already cracked the ecu so your not spending months and months in development.

 

[brancky3]

Do you have an ETA on when you will get a ECU flash and try giving us some times? Hopefully you work with someone who has already cracked the ecu so your not spending months and months in development.

I doubt that will be a problem knowing BMS and the companies they work with

 

[Angel]

No not going to share the times because they are not very impressive for the setup. I did share a track log above. Wouldn't be fair to Pure turbo to share the times given a few clowns in this community are just looking for any excuse to trash them. Traps are decent and we can see it's making the power. But ET isn't where it needs to be. When things are working right results will be shared.

Lol I don’t think anyone is going to trash a company that’s making hybrid turbos for our car, when no one else is doing it ... even if results aren’t as expected .... and by clown trashing pure turbo do you mean people just having an opinion different than yours right ??... anyways I am sure there will be a lot a lot of people that will want hybrid turbos ... does not mean because it’s not performing as you want on the JB4 , and someone who is doing ecu Tunning can’t get it to perform better ... so we can’t compare what you have if other companies and tuner have not tried it .... just my 2 cents ... when lap 3 develops there ecu tune and turbo kit we will have a starting point to compare what bigger turbos can do with an ecu tune ...

 

[Crewdawg130]

Do you have an ETA on when you will get a ECU flash and try giving us some times? Hopefully you work with someone who has already cracked the ecu so your not spending months and months in development.

As soon as we get the ECU it will be shipped out. Trust me it wont be months of developing they’ve been doing it for a while. And yes, it was in the 11s over 120mph. As soon as this is figured out the community will have another option. The best of both worlds. Because to be real, until open source obd2 tuning is available, this is the best user friendly way to tune at the moment. IMO

 

[brancky3]

Crewdawg where are you located? I swear every time you post there's a different flag lol

 

[Crewdawg130]

Crewdawg where are you located? I swear every time you post there's a different flag lol

Lol were in NC. But Im currently overseas. That’s my VPN lol

 

[brancky3]

Lol were in NC. But Im currently overseas. That’s my VPN lol

Oh good stuff. I'm in upstate SC about 45 minutes south of Asheville

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

As soon as we get the ECU it will be shipped out. Trust me it wont be months of developing they’ve been doing it for a while. And yes, it was in the 11s over 120mph. As soon as this is figured out the community will have another option. The best of both worlds. Because to be real, until open source obd2 tuning is available, this is the best user friendly way to tune at the moment. IMO

That's good you hit 11s and 120s I'm assuming not better than the current records or it would have been plastered everywhere.

I know people are afraid of trash talking becuase their 4k turbos didnt perform well on the jb4, but I would be more afraid of not being transparent with the community. I'd be afraid of what's hiding in the closet when you do release some number given you had a track day today and wont post the slips or dragy times.

 

[brancky3]

That's good you hit 11s and 120s I'm assuming not better than the current records or it would have been plastered everywhere.

I know people are afariad of trash talking becuase their 4k turbos didnt perform well on the jb4, but I would be more afraid of not being transparent with the community. I'd be afraid of what's hiding in the closet when you do release some number given you had a track day today and wont post the slips or dragy times.

That's not how it works - I'm sure there are other companies testing things as well (Lap3) and they're not even on here giving any sort of progress update. Same with Tork and whatever he's working on (nitrous? meth?). Whatever these guys are selling needs to be at a justifiable performance level before they post numbers or people are going to write it off as a bad return on investment

 

[Angel]

That's good you hit 11s and 120s I'm assuming not better than the current records or it would have been plastered everywhere.

I know people are afariad of trash talking becuase their 4k turbos didnt perform well on the jb4, but I would be more afraid of not being transparent with the community. I'd be afraid of what's hiding in the closet when you do release some number given you had a track day today and wont post the slips or dragy times.

Yeah I am with you hybrid turbos bigger turbos in essence will make more power and perform better than smaller turbos but once you go big turbos in order for them to perform to expectation is all about the Tunning .... of course I personally don’t think piggy back Tunning is the way to go when going big turbos ... there is a a reason lap 3 is not using there piggyback which is an amazing product and have spended a year in developing an ecu tune ... think about that lol and lap 3 specializes is Korean cars that what they do .... it’s fair to say they know what there doing when it comes to Kia/ hyunday ..... just like terry specializes in bmw ....now I am not throwing shade on the jb4 it’s an amazing product , I own one and love it ... but of course Terry will never say an ecu tune is better for a big turbo set up or better than an ecu tune in general ... he owns and created the jb4....

 

[Terry@BMS]

That's good you hit 11s and 120s I'm assuming not better than the current records or it would have been plastered everywhere.

I know people are afraid of trash talking becuase their 4k turbos didnt perform well on the jb4, but I would be more afraid of not being transparent with the community. I'd be afraid of what's hiding in the closet when you do release some number given you had a track day today and wont post the slips or dragy times.

Nothing is really "hidden" as the data is clearly posted (as far as I know it's the only detailed Stinger log EVER posted of a larger than stock turbo) but I just see little reason to feed the trolls until it's 100%. Just to wet the appetite the best lower boost run was 11.92@122mph. We expect a lot more when it can get a clean run at higher boost.

 

[brancky3]

... best run stock turbos was 12.07@116.7, so even at lower boost and early days tuning it's up over 5mph with the turbos

I wish people on here would appreciate trap speeds! I wonder how these turbos will do with full stock exhaust? Some of us would rather blow our brains out than drive a car daily without exhaust / cats.

 

[Terry@BMS]

I wish people on here would appreciate trap speeds! I wonder how these turbos will do with full stock exhaust? Some of us would rather blow our brains out than drive a car daily without exhaust / cats.

At some point I'll throw a set on our development car and test with 100% stock exhaust, stock downpipes, etc. I'm with you on not wanting to deal with odor or noise. At least not on anything that doesn't run 10s or quicker.

It's frustrating because just a couple little changes are needed on the flash side for the turbos and this Stinger would be humming along nicely at 25psi across the board. Soon I hope!

 

[Terry@BMS]

Given a piggy back is being used... how do you not understand that the same thing is happening inside the ECU... no matter what turbos are on the car. Big turbos did not slow this car down, the piggy back did. Stock turbos are stuck at 11.9 because... the piggy back.

Just quoting for posterity. Because, previously when you had a best time of 11.98 and we ran 12.06, you claimed you were light years ahead of us. We'll never catch up. We can't. Bullshit ECU limiter this, your crazy tuning skills that. Then, we ran 11.99. With fewer parts and a faster trap. Whatever, we'll never pass your time. Then we ran 11.91. Oops? And now I guess we'll never "break" in to the 11.8s? A JB4 customer running literally 15psi and 93 octane ran 11.98 last week.

See the difference between us is, we're supporting hundreds of customers out there all who have the ability to record and share their data. The good data, the bad data, whatever they want, and they can use it however they'd like. Meanwhile you've got 2 cars running and literally nothing coming out unless you green light it. The one log posted was missing half the critical information anyone would use to evaluate the tuning. Sooner or later as more suckers buy in to your flash tuning (if they do), it will be very interesting to see those customers start sharing their real world data and performance.

 

[brancky3]

I'm just hoping that BMS is going to do BEF on this platform like they do in BMWs.

 

[DaJackson]

Let’s keep the conversation to these hybrid turbos.

 

[brancky3]

Let’s keep the conversation to these hybrid turbos.

Thank you for releasing the newest box office hit: 'The Purge: Stingerforum'

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Let’s keep the conversation to these hybrid turbos.

You removed some important info about the turbos lol.

Did you read or just mass delete? If you can go back and segregate what you feel doesnt belong that would be helpful. Terry talking about the 11.92 quarter mile run with these turbos and other information is important though.