Race Chip GTS Black Review

Do more research. Your logic makes zero cents. Ask yourself “why are there virtually FA RC users here”. There is a reason. I now leave you and your Stinger to your own demise. Good luck.
please elaborate What's FA refer too ?
why doesn't my logic make sense ? It makes sense. It's like having 4 speakers and going shopping for an amp and having no choice from a brand to only buy the 1,000 amp 8 channel amp, but only being able to use 4 channels, sorta kinda.
I'm open to understanding, but please take the extra time to reply with more details, for my knowledge, please and thank you.
 
I'm open to understanding, but please take the extra time to reply with more details, for my knowledge, please and thank you.
Have no idea about RaceChip but can speak a little to the JB4. Yes, advanced functionality comes in conjunction with accompanying mods but if you don't add those, you won't benefit from the airflow improvement, ability to use E,Meth, WMI, etc. This is no different from seeing full benefits from an all-out ECU tune. Again, the additional mods are not required but will add performance improvements

Now if you are not interested in going full-blown tuner-guy, then you can still see benefit from the other MAPS you just have to be careful and follow the recommendations of Burger Tuning/more experienced guys on the forum. I think the logging capabilities of the JB4 make the unit worth the price of admission on their own. I didn't add anything to my Stinger other than plugs and drop in filter because I knew I was going to trade the car on something else (;)).

AND......When I did trade the Stinger, i was able to sell the JB4 at a really good price because it is the tuner device of choice on here. Maybe the RC does as advertised but the JB4 beats it about 10-1 for many of the reasons(and some others) I have posted here.

JMO......
 
Have no idea about RaceChip but can speak a little to the JB4. Yes, advanced functionality comes in conjunction with accompanying mods but if you don't add those, you won't benefit from the airflow improvement, ability to use E,Meth, WMI, etc. This is no different from seeing full benefits from an all-out ECU tune. Again, the additional mods are not required but will add performance improvements

Now if you are not interested in going full-blown tuner-guy, then you can still see benefit from the other MAPS you just have to be careful and follow the recommendations of Burger Tuning/more experienced guys on the forum. I think the logging capabilities of the JB4 make the unit worth the price of admission on their own. I didn't add anything to my Stinger other than plugs and drop in filter because I knew I was going to trade the car on something else (;)).

AND......When I did trade the Stinger, i was able to sell the JB4 at a really good price because it is the tuner device of choice on here. Maybe the RC does as advertised but the JB4 beats it about 10-1 for many of the reasons(and some others) I have posted here.

JMO......
that's all I have drop in k & n filters and 2 snorkel air scoops, and I got denso spark plugs, which am told will be fine and better, even if I don't over mod... and I use 91 regularly and will use 94 on Drag strip days, so it seems this RC product for me not wanting to be super tuner guy, will be fine. I'm happy with not beating everyone at the strip.. for now.. ha.

But other guy replied as if my Stinger will blow up and if there's a chance of that PLEASE clarify with proof, asap, so I can cancel my order before it's shipped !!
 
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But other guy replied as if my Stinger will blow up and if there's a chance of that PLEASE clarify with proof, asap, so I can cancel my order before it's shipped !!
I believe a little "sarcasm" was in order there. You can blow an engine with jb4 as well as the RC but the logging of the jb4 can help you see trouble coming before it's too late.

I can say that if you are only planning on running 91 octane most of the time, then getting your "full" money's worth from the jb4 will be difficult, although, there are ways to increase octane levels (product called Boostane comes to mind). Once more, I can't speak for the RC so you may get more turbo "bang for the buck" (see what I did there....lol) but I am kind of biased in that I only used the jb4.

My thoughts are regardless of the product, if you don't exercise caution, you can cause big problems in a hurry. At the end of the day, it is ultimately your "cash" and although some may speak against the RC, if you think that solution will work for you, then it's your "wallet" that has to be convinced, not us.
 
I had a RaceChip GTS on my 2020 Stinger for nearly two years, and it was great. If your car is largely stock it adds a decent chunk of power without any real sacrifice. I never had any problems with it, and I don't know anyone who's had any problems with one.

RaceChip sells an absolute ton of tuning boxes every year, so it's pretty safe to assume that they aren't blowing up cars left and right. If anything, they're tuned extremely conservatively.

The JB4 fanboys love to talk about RaceChip not honouring their warranties, but Burger/JB4 doesn't offer a vehicle warranty full stop, so I don't understand why they think anything to do with warranties is going to win them an argument. If you blow up your car with a JB4 box, who cares right? It's the entire signature on every Burger reply here that if something goes wrong, it's your fault and that they accept no responsibility, yet supposedly the company that backs up their product with an actual warranty is the crappy one? Yeah, makes perfect sense. Just the fact that RaceChip are willing to offer a warranty at all was a huge vote of confidence to me that it was safe.

I've seen representatives from RaceChip answering questions from customers on all sort of forums, but they don't disparage their competition. Burger, on the other hand, loves to go onto forums and talk about how bad RaceChip is, claiming that it will blow up your engine, piss on your corn flakes and molest your cat. Up to a point, that is. As soon as someone asks them to provide evidence that could be measured or used in a court setting, things suddenly go very quiet. Strange. In my eyes this is really unprofessional, dirt-bag behaviour.

Are we supposed to believe that this isn't a business and that these opinions aren't motivated by profit and sales? In reality, the two are barely even competing with each other: RaceChip targets stock cars, and is a safe and easy option. JB4 is designed for modified cars (or at least this is where it can be of benefit, it also works with stock), it has no vehicle warranty, and clearly states that you can accidentally damage your car (and if you do, tough luck). Honestly, the fact that Burger goes out of their way to shit on them is truly baffling. Look at RaceChip's marketing on the Internet. Look at their website. Now go look at Burger Tuning, look at their website (which looks like it was made by a ten-year-old). Tell me who's clearly doing a better job of marketing and being a viable, successful business (which includes not damaging cars and having to pay out for blown engines)?

People don't post here about RaceChip because of the fanboys. Simple as that. Why bother even talking about something when you're going to get a bunch of fanboys telling you how crappy and unsafe it is, yet no-one can actually point out actual cars that have been blown up. This is the same as Coke drinkers crapping on Pepsi, in my opinion. "Watch out, Pepsi rots your teeth!".

I've had a lot of tuned cars, and used a bunch of different products, from RaceChip, EcuTek, Cobb, and soon Lozic. I've never really cared about company reputations, but I can say definitively that I won't be using Burger because of this lack of professionalism, generally adolescent behaviour and shadiness. They seem to provide a good product, and solid customer support, but this is one area where they really fail.

Honestly, this behaviour along with the Tork drama makes me think that tuning companies are run by a bunch of babies. Why don't you guys have some damn dignity.
 
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I had a RaceChip GTS on my 2020 Stinger for nearly two years, and it was great. If your car is largely stock it adds a decent chunk of power without any real sacrifice. I never had any problems with it, and I don't know anyone who's had any problems with one.

RaceChip sells an absolute ton of tuning boxes every year, so it's pretty safe to assume that they aren't blowing up cars left and right. If anything, they're tuned extremely conservatively.

The JB4 fanboys love to talk about RaceChip not honouring their warranties, but Burger/JB4 doesn't offer a vehicle warranty full stop, so I don't understand why they think anything to do with warranties is going to win them an argument. If you blow up your car with a JB4 box, who cares right? It's the entire signature on every Burger reply here that if something goes wrong, it's your fault and that they accept no responsibility, yet supposedly the company that backs up their product with an actual warranty is the crappy one? Yeah, makes perfect sense. Just the fact that RaceChip are willing to offer a warranty at all was a huge vote of confidence to me that it was safe.

I've seen representatives from RaceChip answering questions from customers on all sort of forums, but they don't disparage their competition. Burger, on the other hand, loves to go onto forums and talk about how bad RaceChip is, claiming that it will blow up your engine, piss on your corn flakes and molest your cat. Up to a point, that is. As soon as someone asks them to provide evidence that could be measured or used in a court setting, things suddenly go very quiet. Strange. In my eyes this is really unprofessional, dirt-bag behaviour.

Are we supposed to believe that this isn't a business and that these opinions aren't motivated by profit and sales? In reality, the two are barely even competing with each other: RaceChip targets stock cars, and is a safe and easy option. JB4 is designed for modified cars (or at least this is where it can be of benefit, it also works with stock), it has no vehicle warranty, and clearly states that you can accidentally damage your car (and if you do, tough luck). Honestly, the fact that Burger goes out of their way to shit on them is truly baffling. Look at RaceChip's marketing on the Internet. Look at their website. Now go look at Burger Tuning, look at their website (which looks like it was made by a ten-year-old). Tell me who's clearly doing a better job of marketing and being a viable, successful business (which includes not damaging cars and having to pay out for blown engines)?

People don't post here about RaceChip because of the fanboys. Simple as that. Why bother even talking about something when you're going to get a bunch of fanboys telling you how crappy and unsafe it is, yet no-one can actually point out actual cars that have been blown up. This is the same as Coke drinkers crapping on Pepsi, in my opinion. "Watch out, Pepsi rots your teeth!".

I've had a lot of tuned cars, and used a bunch of different products, from RaceChip, EcuTek, Cobb, and soon Lozic. I've never really cared about company reputations, but I can say definitively that I won't be using Burger because of this lack of professionalism, generally adolescent behaviour and shadiness. They seem to provide a good product, and solid customer support, but this is one area where they really fail.

Honestly, this behaviour along with the Tork drama makes me think that tuning companies are run by a bunch of babies. Why don't you guys have some damn dignity.
Adam, during your RaceChip use, did you ever dyno? I've also read that since RaceChip is essentially built for a stock car, you can get in touch with them to 'update' the maps if you're running intakes, exhaust, etc. Any truth to that (as far as you know)? Feel free to PM as well.
 
People don't post here about RaceChip because of the fanboys. Simple as that.
Ok @AdamNZ , I get it (to a point) but honestly, I never knew jb4, Ecutek, Cobb, RaceChip, etc. even EXISTED before I got the Stinger because up to that point, the cars I have driven/owned were at the top of their "middle class" game and only hard core tuners were into that game. Had a '91 Mustang GT (real 5.0) and the only "tuning" i was interested in was prepping the engine/fuel system for a Paxton supercharger......then, it was '93 FD RX7(same point in time as the infamous "2J-Z" Supra...couldn't touch the little RX7 in the handling dept...) and the RX7 would go toe - toe with anything this side of 911/ZR1 vette, etc. Not even interested in tuning it because it hauled ass in the curves as well as 163mph top end......

Point is, I am not a Burger "fan boy" nor am I against anyone wanting to go with RC. At the end of the day, it's your wallet that decides.....I went with the jb4 because of the rep. it had and the logging which is way ahead of the others in terms of simplicity to create/access. I didn't want to lug around a darn laptop every time I wanted to test a different map and the results were available immediately.

I now have an MK5 Supra and honestly, the transmission sold me more than the performance of the Bimmer engine and as a result, I have no desire to do anything but maybe go with a custom suspension. Dont know about RC but Burger does offer a jb4 unit for that platform and if you just want an extra "pep to your step", they offer a "JB+" which connects in less than 5 minutes and offers boost adjustment up to 4.5 psi.(sorry Stingers...not offered on that platform)

In my TOTALLY HONEST OPINION, anyone going with any tune should know enough of what they are doing so they can truly evaluate if the car is running safely. Anyone worried about a darn warranty shouldn't be tuning in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Off my soapbox now.....LOL. Difference of opinion is what these forums are about as long as everyone can show a little respect. I don't have any issues with difference of opinions and if you do, then maybe forums in general are not for you.......(mean "you" in general).

KEEP STINGING!!!!!! :cool:
 
If anyone really thinks that Racechip is going to cover warranty on your engine, think again. You would have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that the Racechip caused the issue.
 
Interesting thread ... I'm actually installing my Racechip GTS black this weekend ... I will report back with my butt dyno results soon after :cool:
 
I believe a little "sarcasm" was in order there. You can blow an engine with jb4 as well as the RC but the logging of the jb4 can help you see trouble coming before it's too late.

I can say that if you are only planning on running 91 octane most of the time, then getting your "full" money's worth from the jb4 will be difficult, although, there are ways to increase octane levels (product called Boostane comes to mind). Once more, I can't speak for the RC so you may get more turbo "bang for the buck" (see what I did there....lol) but I am kind of biased in that I only used the jb4.

My thoughts are regardless of the product, if you don't exercise caution, you can cause big problems in a hurry. At the end of the day, it is ultimately your "cash" and although some may speak against the RC, if you think that solution will work for you, then it's your "wallet" that has to be convinced, not us.

The JB4 has advanced safety systems designed to prevent you from getting yourself in a position where you can blow the motor in the first place. Not to mention vastly superior tuning. RaceChip is similar to our JB+ tunes we offer for some vehicles. At $200-$250 it's a nice value proposition but some people falsely believe all these tuning boxes are the same. We do what we can to politely point customers in the right direction but not everyone is interested in the facts.

For those that do want to learn we have a JB4 FAQ:

 
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o.k. how about also replying to my question about your comment re: Racechip being higher risk to blow an engine and not hearing of them paying anyone out ?
Please clarify if you're aware of this happening, or were just saying it's more possible with their type of tune, and haven't heard if this has ever happened and if they car owner got his insurance $$,
or
were you referring to it actually happened and no one got paid out ?

As a competitor of theirs, I'd hope for clarity on this statement, please and than you !!

I've heard from customers who "blew their motor" using RaceChip and didn't get any sort of payout. But it's not really our place to go in to details publicly. Customers can post their own experiences as they see fit. Generally speaking the question usually comes down to whether you met the specific qualifications for their limited warranty.

The reality is non-CANbus tunes like RaceChip or the ones we offer (JB+ & Stage1) are relatively conservative so as long as you run them on lower settings it's usually fine. The problems start when you try to crank up the boost. Since these tunes can't monitor or adjust fueling or timing if used outside of a certain range it gets dangerous quickly. And without diagnostic tools you really have no idea what that range is behind the wheel or what is safe and what isn't. If you're going to run a tune like this just run it at a lower setting (for the Stinger for example no more than +3psi).

That said the best approach is to run a more advanced tuner that is capable of providing not only better tuning but additonal safety systems. We've addressed most of the basic questions in the JB4 FAQ linked above.
 
Received my JB4 the other day. Was shocked to see it show up over night, but thanks again. Now I just need some down time to install.
 
If anyone really thinks that Racechip is going to cover warranty on your engine, think again. You would have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that the Racechip caused the issue.
I’m sure your Stealership would provide you with a note to the effect. I’m with ya, I doubt it would be honoured at the other end.
 
Terry, this thread is thread is literally titled "Race Chip GTS Black Review" but you're still in here trying to sell your product, and still trying to spread your (now apparently second-hand) tales of their misdeeds. Do you not feel any embarrassment about that? Do you not think it would be more dignified to stick to any of the literally hundreds of threads about JB4? Others are here talking about their JB4 purchases. How do you think you're contributing to the community by hijacking threads? For the person that was asking, this kind of toxicity is exactly why noone will talk about their RaceChip experiences. Buy it and be happy, but don't expect to even mention it here with out this sort of mindless dogpiling occurring within five minutes.
 
Terry, this thread is thread is literally titled "Race Chip GTS Black Review" but you're still in here trying to sell your product, and still trying to spread your (now apparently second-hand) tales of their misdeeds. Do you not feel any embarrassment about that? Do you not think it would be more dignified to stick to any of the literally hundreds of threads about JB4? Others are here talking about their JB4 purchases. How do you think you're contributing to the community by hijacking threads? For the person that was asking, this kind of toxicity is exactly why noone will talk about their RaceChip experiences. Buy it and be happy, but don't expect to even mention it here with out this sort of mindless dogpiling occurring within five minutes.
A good friend once said,“why didn’t you tell me that it was:poop:
“Because” I said, “ I thought you would step in it anyway”

So unlike me Terry is actually being a nice guy simply trying to help a few of you to not step in it. One would think folks around here would be a little bit more appreciative. I mean isn’t that what community is about, helping and warning each other when warranted etc. Come on man, get a grip!
 
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A good friend once said,“why didn’t you tell me that it was:poop:
“Because” I said, “ I thought you would step in it anyway”

So unlike me Terry is actually being a nice guy simply trying to help a few of you to not step in it. One would think folks around here would be a little bit more appreciative. I mean isn’t that what community is about, helping and warning each other when warranted etc. Come on man, get a grip!
But what about it is :poop:? As far as I've read, the only complaints/issues I've seen with RaceChip so far is in regards to spark plugs (which can happen with any tune/piggyback, or even stock).
 
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So unlike me Terry is actually being a nice guy simply trying to help a few of you to not step in it. One would think folks around here would be a little bit more appreciative. I mean isn’t that what community is about, helping and warning each other when warranted etc. Come on man, get a grip!

One thing I've learned in my 20 years of posting on car forums is no matter what you say or where you say it, even if 99 people find it useful, there will always be that 1 person out there offended by it. Can't win them all. :)
 
I've heard from customers who "blew their motor" using RaceChip and didn't get any sort of payout. But it's not really our place to go in to details publicly. Customers can post their own experiences as they see fit. Generally speaking the question usually comes down to whether you met the specific qualifications for their limited warranty.

The reality is non-CANbus tunes like RaceChip or the ones we offer (JB+ & Stage1) are relatively conservative so as long as you run them on lower settings it's usually fine. The problems start when you try to crank up the boost. Since these tunes can't monitor or adjust fueling or timing if used outside of a certain range it gets dangerous quickly. And without diagnostic tools you really have no idea what that range is behind the wheel or what is safe and what isn't. If you're going to run a tune like this just run it at a lower setting (for the Stinger for example no more than +3psi).

That said the best approach is to run a more advanced tuner that is capable of providing not only better tuning but additonal safety systems. We've addressed most of the basic questions in the JB4 FAQ linked above.
o.k. I just ordered a racechip gts and will be looking to find out how many psi boost I'll likely have from each map and monitor it.
re: customers saying they blew their motor, can you tell us what cars they had ? if they were totally mod to the tits, or were they stock cars that ran on map 7 every day or any feedback you recall these guys saying ??
 
One thing I've learned in my 20 years of posting on car forums is no matter what you say or where you say it, even if 99 people find it useful, there will always be that 1 person out there offended by it. Can't win them all. :)
I found this out first hand when I got banned from one of the Supra forums because some JERK made a comment about the Stinger being a "piece of crap Hyundia"........this was before getting the Supra but be that as it may, I let the whinny A-hole have it full tilt and the next day, got banned.....as stated in the awesome movie "Tombstone".......".....well..........bye."

When I had the jb4 on the Stinger, it was as advertised and the controls built in are as advertised as well. Again, my comments are based upon having absolutely no knowledge of the RC but like anything else, if you don't pay attention to the "rules", bad things will happen with an emphasis on "don't pay attention". If someone jumps from map 1 to map 3 without paying attention to the 8.0 timing value for all cylinders in the logs, then bad things will happen but "stupidity" is not a feature of the JB4.

"My thoughts are regardless of the product, if you don't exercise caution, you can cause big problems in a hurry."

My comments from above may not have seemed to support the built in systems of the JB4 but the above statement literally made that point. I am not on the Burger payroll but I will recommend this tune to anyone based upon the feature-set Terry@bms mentioned above.

So, I can say, that what is advertised on the Burger tuning website regarding features/"smart" systems on the JB4 are what they say they are. Can't say as much for RC only because I didn't buy one.
 
o.k. I just ordered a racechip gts and will be looking to find out how many psi boost I'll likely have from each map and monitor it.
re: customers saying they blew their motor, can you tell us what cars they had ? if they were totally mod to the tits, or were they stock cars that ran on map 7 every day or any feedback you recall these guys saying ??

Honestly anything I say is going to come across as biased and disingenuous. There is a reason everyone here runs JB4 or Lap3 and it's not because they've never heard of RaceChip. The FAQ nicely sums up the technical differences.

On something like RC keep the boost settings low and it *should* be fine. Just keep in mind you have no way to monitor knock, air/fuel, fuel trims, so what you're talking about doing is just trying each boost level to see which ones don't damage the motor, lol. Not a good tuning strategy.
 
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