Laughing gas, who will be the first?

[ZyroXZ2]

Excellent point...

If N2O were cheating, then water methanol would be what?

Bigger intercooler would be cheating also?

Where is this rule book of what is a cheat and what isn't a cheat?

Last time I went racing, you "run what you brung" no excusses.

Bro, don't fuel the fire. Everyone else in this thread already knows he jumped in solely to talk smack on the competition using NOS to get a leg up. Just let it go before you end up stooping just as low...

 

[Kamauxx]

Excellent point...

If N2O were cheating, then water methanol would be what?

Bigger intercooler would be cheating also?

Where is this rule book of what is a cheat and what isn't a cheat?

Last time I went racing, you "run what you brung" no excusses.

"History is written by the victor."

In auto racing "rules are written by the last person to cross the finish line."

 

[TorkMe]

I've probably tuned more N20 cars than most on this thread so I'm certainly familiar with it. The safety systems allow the JB4 to disable N20 if AFR goes over a certain level, if ignition advance falls below a certain level, etc. These days the only customers who run it do so to spool really large turbos. But most have given up because when they run good times no one takes the times seriously. Who's to say if someone is running a 25 shot or a 150 shot? Who's to say if someone is running it for spool up only or leaving it on the entire run? If you think the "N20 is cheating" and "yawn" opinion is somehow unique to me personally, you've not been on forums very long.

Well, I can make one very valid opinion about where you have not been, and that is at the track. Considering most of your posts are about Dragy results... maybe one of us should visit the race track a little more often

I am starting to see a lot of recurring posts about "cheating" with you this must be the excusse you use when someone is actually faster than you.

 

[TorkMe]

Bro, don't fuel the fire. Everyone else in this thread already knows he jumped in solely to talk smack on the competition using NOS to get a leg up. Just let it go before you end up stooping just as low...

Excellent advice, thank you.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Well this turned sideways lol.... Still want me some laughing gas GET TO WORK TORK TEAM!

 

[Terry@BMS]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on it.

Technically speaking N20 is considered a power adder while WMI is considered a fuel. N20 is like taking steroids. You pickup a lot of sort term performance on the cheap but the performance is only there as long as you're continually pumping money in to the N20 tank.

You could strap an N20 kit on a stock tuned car and probably run 10s a couple times before the bottle ran out but I struggle to see what the point would be.

 

[Allmanb]

Excellent point...

If N2O were cheating, then water methanol would be what?

Bigger intercooler would be cheating also?

Where is this rule book of what is a cheat and what isn't a cheat?

Last time I went racing, you "run what you brung" no excusses.

Oh i agree. A power adder is fair game regardless of what it is. These guys watch these fast and the furious type movies and play too much need for speed to understand using nitrous. They see it as a big boost at the end with a big ole pretty colored flame coming out of the tail pipe to gain an edge when losing lol. I am all for seeing what and how the car will react on nitrous. Also sitting back waiting to see what power level and who spits out the front axles, diff or tcase in the AWD. @Tonkabob needs a 250 shot

 

[Tonkabob]

Oh i agree. A power adder is fair game regardless of what it is. These guys watch these fast and the furious type movies and play too much need for speed to understand using nitrous. They see it as a big boost at the end with a big ole pretty colored flame coming out of the tail pipe to gain an edge when losing lol. I am all for seeing what and how the car will react on nitrous. Also sitting back waiting to see what power level and who spits out the front axles, diff or tcase in the AWD. @Tonkabob needs a 250 shot

Haaa not me! I'm adding a mid pipe and some wheels and will run 11.7s all day on pump gas and root on John to run 10s. All while keeping an eye on Terry sneeking a NOS shot to break into the 11s.

 

[Kamauxx]

You pickup a lot of sort term performance on the cheap but the performance is only there as long as you're continually pumping money in to the N20 tank.

That description is completely interchangeable with WMI.

 

[Terry@BMS]

WMI itself isn't adding performance, it raises octane, which allows you to run more boost and more ignition advance, it's the boost and timing that increase performance. It's like E85 or race gas on demand. N20 on the other hand is considered a power adder because it's effectively liquid oxygen (horsepower) pumped in to the engine. A gallon of 50/50 WMI mix is ~$5 and will usually last for a week or two worth of racing. A 10# N20 tank fill up is $50 and will generally only last a handful of 1/4 mile races.

As I said above people can run whatever they want to run. To me a Stinger running 11s tune only is a lot more impressive and desirable than a Stinger with N20 running 10s. You may feel differently, more power to you. If I personally cared to have the "fastest Stinger" then I'd pull out the cats, build an aluminum exhaust, strip off weight, install hybrid turbos or a large single kit, etc. We've done it all before. That's not our goal at the moment with the car but it might be some day in the future. For now product and tuning development for mildly modified cars is our top priority in the Stinger market.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Haaa not me! I'm adding a mid pipe and some wheels and will run 11.7s all day on pump gas and root on John to run 10s. All while keeping an eye on Terry sneeking a NOS shot to break into the 11s.

I think you'd be much better off keeping the stock midpipe but doing the primary cat delete, if performance is the goal. And wheels should be first on anyones list. Easy 50# of rotating weight to be saved. I'll leave the N20 to you guys. Once we're happy with the stock turbo tuning and there is a larger customer base for more heavily modified cars, hybrid turbos is definitely the direction we're going.

 

[Allmanb]

Haaa not me! I'm adding a mid pipe and some wheels and will run 11.7s all day on pump gas and root on John to run 10s. All while keeping an eye on Terry sneeking a NOS shot to break into the 11s.

Aww come on man! Be the 1st for us AWD guys.

I'd love 600/600 for a few weeks in the AWD (before i want more). If someone is willing to donate i am willing to do it lol. I put 700+ miles a week on the car with country, highway, city driving of 20 miles a day and the remaining 120+ miles is interstate. Can send all kinda logs lol

 

[Tonkabob]

I think you'd be much better off keeping the stock midpipe but doing the primary cat delete, if performance is the goal. And wheels should be first on anyones list. Easy 50# of rotating weight to be saved. I'll leave the N20 to you guys. Once we're happy with the stock turbo tuning and there is a larger customer base for more heavily modified cars, hybrid turbos is definitely the direction we're going.

A reliable daily driver that happens to be wicked fast is my goal so doing just the secondary to keep the noise and pollution down.
Would you believe i used to drive a bio diesel, true fun fact.

 

[Tonkabob]

WMI itself isn't adding performance, it raises octane, which allows you to run more boost and more ignition advance, it's the boost and timing that increase performance. It's like E85 or race gas on demand. N20 on the other hand is considered a power adder because it's effectively liquid oxygen (horsepower) pumped in to the engine. A gallon of 50/50 WMI mix is ~$5 and will usually last for a week or two worth of racing. A 10# N20 tank fill up is $50 and will generally only last a handful of 1/4 mile races.

As I said above people can run whatever they want to run. To me a Stinger running 11s tune only is a lot more impressive and desirable than a Stinger with N20 running 10s. You may feel differently, more power to you. If I personally cared to have the "fastest Stinger" then I'd pull out the cats, build an aluminum exhaust, strip off weight, install hybrid turbos or a large single kit, etc. We've done it all before. That's not our goal at the moment with the car but it might be some day in the future. For now product and tuning development for mildly modified cars is our top priority in the Stinger market.

Wmi does do the things you said but it is also actually fuel aka carbon. NO2 is not a fuel but liquid super charging. Lots of oxygen like a turbo so you can burn more fuel.
Oxygen is not the fuel the carbon is.
Either way they are the same on the cheat scale which for me is near 0.

 

[TorkMe]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on it.

Technically speaking N20 is considered a power adder while WMI is considered a fuel. N20 is like taking steroids. You pickup a lot of sort term performance on the cheap but the performance is only there as long as you're continually pumping money in to the N20 tank.

You could strap an N20 kit on a stock tuned car and probably run 10s a couple times before the bottle ran out but I struggle to see what the point would be.

I agree with you on the struggle (LOL), what exactly is your point of posting in this thread? The point of running N2O, is to run faster, which you are not disagreeing with, well... not yet

We understand your opinion, we understand that you think its cheating. The problem being... the fastest Honda, Ford, Nissan, Toyota, GM, BMW, ect, ect, ect, run N2O. Look at the 7.40 pass made this month with the Speed Factory Honda... running a 200 shot. Just because you fail to see the point doesn't discredit that it gets used and gets used very successfully.

You seem to have an issue with the money, and I have yet to see anyone complain about the cost to fill an N2O tank. Also, how quickly you go through an N2O tank depends on several factors, which you fail to mention in any reply you have posted in this thread.

I am at a cross roads in my conversations with you. Do I go over to the JB4 tuning thread and post my opinions on the operation of the JB4? No, I am a bigger person that that, and refuse to sling poo at my competitor. My results are more then enough to make my point.

 

[DaJackson]

Do I go over to the JB4 tuning thread and post my opinions on the operation of the JB4? No, I am a bigger person that that, and refuse to sling poo at my competitor.

You want to rethink that comment?

Lets talk tuning, piggy back vs ECU flash.

Terry came into a thread about using N2O not about a product you make. Kind of like starting a thread about how ECU tunes are better than piggy back tunes.

 

[Terry@BMS]

You want to rethink that comment?

Lets talk tuning, piggy back vs ECU flash.

Terry came into a thread about using N2O not about a product you make. Kind of like starting a thread about how ECU tunes are better than piggy back tunes.

If I was going to go in to one of his threads to correct his misconceptions (e.g. "talk trash") that would be the thread to do it in. But out of forum decorum I've just avoided it. Looked like this thread was to discuss everyone's opinion on N20, and since I have a strong opinion and a lot of experience with it, am happy to participate. It's certainly easier for me to post here in a one on many format than answer the same N20 related questions over and over again via email. Regardless it appears posts that don't conform to the "awesome do it bro" narrative are frowned upon.

 

[DaJackson]

Regardless it appears posts that don't conform to the "awesome do it bro" narrative are frowned upon.

Unfortunately this forum likes its echo chamber at times.

 

[Terry@BMS]

I am at a cross roads in my conversations with you. Do I go over to the JB4 tuning thread and post my opinions on the operation of the JB4? No, I am a bigger person that that, and refuse to sling poo at my competitor. My results are more then enough to make my point.

This is the same John Bushbaum that has jumped in to literally every single JB4 result thread we post on the Facebook group to talk trash? As recently as 2 days ago?

 

[Terry@BMS]

We understand your opinion, we understand that you think its cheating. The problem being... the fastest Honda, Ford, Nissan, Toyota, GM, BMW, ect, ect, ect, run N2O. Look at the 7.40 pass made this month with the Speed Factory Honda... running a 200 shot. Just because you fail to see the point doesn't discredit that it gets used and gets used very successfully.

My bottom line on it is once N20 is used who really cares who tuned it or how, or what other modifications it has, because everything is fast with N20. You could even run 10s with RaceChip and a 75 shot. So if you want to take yourself out of the game, by all means, be my guest.