Laughing gas, who will be the first?

[TorkMe]

10s would be relatively easy with enough nitrous but like I said, no one really cares.

If you want to do something to move the platform forward get to work on hybrid turbos. Had a Stinger customer hit 570whp the other day with a pair. Although the tuning needs a lot of work, we're going to have to get JB4 EWG control working to control them properly. A proper back end flash map would make the tuning end a lot easier too.

I find it odd, that you are the only one who says, "no one cares".

Who says we are not working on Hybrid Turbo's?

570 you say?

 

[Terry@BMS]

I find it odd, that you are the only one who says, "no one cares".
Who says we are not working on Hybrid Turbo's?
570 you say?

Numbers run on N20 don't amount to anything but a sugar high. Few Stinger customers are going to want to run a setup like that and no one outside the community is going to take any of our times seriously if they think it takes N20 to get them. It's normally what people do to "cheat" when they can't make enough power otherwise, hide a small bottle on the car. Do what you want but in my opinion it's a waste of time.

On the hybrids 580whp technically, sort of an ugly dyno though. Turbos need a lot of WGDC down low, less up top, and we don't have direct electronic wastegate control built in to the Stinger JB4 yet to make the required compensations. But tons of potential on this platform once turbos start rolling out. Headache to install them though. I know both Pure Turbos and Vargas are anxious to start working on development once the platform is a little more mature.

 

[Allmanb]

Speaking of hybrid turbos, i was eyeballing the turbo size in comparison to the td05h 20g using the ported 16g mhi housing as a sleeper. If i had the funds to do so twin 20g's would be fun haha. Flow of 42-45lbs/min on a single 20g so imagine 2

 

[ZyroXZ2]

I say do it. NOS for a 1/4 mile run or a dyno run is pretty common. Break into the 10s, then get a custom plate "10SCKIA"

 

[Blitz]

Numbers run on N20 don't amount to anything but a sugar high. Few Stinger customers are going to want to run a setup like that and no one outside the community is going to take any of our times seriously if they think it takes N20 to get them. It's normally what people do to "cheat" when they can't make enough power otherwise, hide a small bottle on the car. Do what you want but in my opinion it's a waste of time.

On the hybrids 580whp technically, sort of an ugly dyno though. Turbos need a lot of WGDC down low, less up top, and we don't have direct electronic wastegate control built in to the Stinger JB4 yet to make the required compensations. But tons of potential on this platform once turbos start rolling out. Headache to install them though. I know both Pure Turbos and Vargas are anxious to start working on development once the platform is a little more mature.

I really want to agree with you. Getting more functionality and polish on Stage 0/1 builds is what will bring Stingers forward quickly, but you always throw in some low blows and I just can't. NOS isn't cheating. It's just a different way of going fast. Taking 2 lines out of your post would have made it so much more paletteable.

 

[Terry@BMS]

I really want to agree with you.

Don't worry, agreement isn't required for us to share our opinions.

N20 has been cheating since I first used it to break in to the 10s on a 1993 Chevy Camaro in the mid 90s. It was still cheating when one of our customers used JB4 N20 control in 2009 in his 335 to break the BMW N54 record with an 11.0@130mph.

It's effective, it's initially cheap, and it's easy. But it's not true performance. For those who like it we even include JB4 support for it on the WMI page the external trigger allows the JB4 to "safely" control N20. But it's just a big yawn for me personally.

 

[TorkMe]

Numbers run on N20 don't amount to anything but a sugar high. Few Stinger customers are going to want to run a setup like that and no one outside the community is going to take any of our times seriously if they think it takes N20 to get them. It's normally what people do to "cheat" when they can't make enough power otherwise, hide a small bottle on the car. Do what you want but in my opinion it's a waste of time.

On the hybrids 580whp technically, sort of an ugly dyno though. Turbos need a lot of WGDC down low, less up top, and we don't have direct electronic wastegate control built in to the Stinger JB4 yet to make the required compensations. But tons of potential on this platform once turbos start rolling out. Headache to install them though. I know both Pure Turbos and Vargas are anxious to start working on development once the platform is a little more mature.

Numbers do not amount to anything using N2O? The world nationals import vs dometic, damn near everyone was running N2O, lol. You are either out of touch with what happens in racing, or just want to force your opinions on everyone.

Well, 570 or 580 and ugly or not... I would share it, with you being all transparent and what not

 

[Terry@BMS]

On the hybrid dyno it's not really my data to share. The shop that did the turbos will share it when they are ready. The turbos have easy 650whp potential once we can get the tuning sorted I think.

 

[Kamauxx]

But it's just a big yawn for me personally.


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Soooo...you do realize you could just not post when someone posts something you aren't into, right?

 

[TorkMe]

On the hybrid dyno it's not really my data to share. The shop that did the turbos will share it when they are ready. The turbos have easy 650whp potential once we can get the tuning sorted I think.

Wait, what? So, make a claim... not be able to validate said claim and add an excuse on top of that? How is that being transparent Terry?

I mean, I could say we made 510 WHP on stock turbos and methanol, and you would obviously be "weary" of those results because we were not sharing "data" and "logs" in "high resolution" to validate our claim. I thought you were all about being "transparent", that is until someone asks you to be.

I do find it funny how I am held to your scrutiny and you feel its ok to share your opinion, but no one else can do the same to you. Kind of weird how that works out.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Soooo...you do realize you could just not post when someone posts something you aren't into, right?

"what do you guys think?"

OP was soliciting opinions. Having a lot of experience with N20 both personally and on customers cars over the years, including programming JB4 support for it, some might be interested in my opinion. And those that aren't can certainly ignore my post I'd think?

 

[TorkMe]

Don't worry, agreement isn't required for us to share our opinions.

You said, N20 has been cheating since I first used it to break in to the 10s on a 1993 Chevy Camaro in the mid 90s. It was still cheating when one of our customers used JB4 N20 control in 2009 in his 335 to break the BMW N54 record with an 11.0@130mph.

It's effective, it's initially cheap, and it's easy. But it's not true performance. For those who like it we even include JB4 support for it on the WMI page the external trigger allows the JB4 to "safely" control N20. But it's just a big yawn for me personally.


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Shamless sales post, lol.

You said, N2O is bad and not a true performance part, but we can control it with the JB4, LOL!!! I am simply dumbfounded on how you made that post, and expect people to take you serious.

 

[TorkMe]

"what do you guys think?"

OP was soliciting opinions. Having a lot of experience with N20 both personally and on customers cars over the years, including programming JB4 support for it, some might be interested in my opinion. And those that aren't can certainly ignore my post I'd think?

Bwah, ha, ha, ha... you are kidding me, right? We heard your opinion, but it didn't stop there

 

[Terry@BMS]

Wait, what? So, make a claim... not be able to validate said claim and add an excuse on top of that? How is that being transparent Terry?

I mean, I could say we made 510 WHP on stock turbos and methanol, and you would obviously be "weary" of those results because we were not sharing "data" and "logs" in "high resolution" to validate our claim. I thought you were all about being "transparent", that is until someone asks you to be.

I do find it funny how I am held to your scrutiny and you feel its ok to share your opinion, but no one else can do the same to you. Kind of weird how that works out.

I can understand your frustration, but we work with a lot of vendors who are working on various product development. That isn't even the only hybrid turbo Stinger we're working with. When BMS owns the data and it relates to our products we're happy to share. But when it's another vendors data, or a customer who doesn't wish to publish it, then it's not our place to publish it. You'll note I don't go around posting our customers logs. I probably wasn't even supposed to say whoever it was hit 580whp with the turbos.

 

[Allmanb]

I agree with Terry on people not taking nitrous seriously. i personally have not ran it but a buddy of mine does in his cobra. When he races these "built and modded" turbo cars and wins, they say he cheated and used nitrous. Yet these cars are not factory turbo cars. I told him if they tell you to turn off the bottle then tell them you want their wastegate spring out of the gate haha.

 

[TorkMe]

I can understand your frustration, but we work with a lot of vendors who are working on various product development. That isn't even the only hybrid turbo Stinger we're working with. When BMS owns the data and it relates to our products we're happy to share. But when it's another vendors data, or a customer who doesn't wish to publish it, then it's not our place to publish it. You'll note I don't go around posting our customers logs. I probably wasn't even supposed to say whoever it was hit 580whp with the turbos.

My frustration? If you cannot back up the claim, then maybe you shouldn't made it in the first place

 

[Kamauxx]

"what do you guys think?"

OP was soliciting opinions. Having a lot of experience with N20 both personally and on customers cars over the years, including programming JB4 support for it, some might be interested in my opinion. And those that aren't can certainly ignore my post I'd think?

You were giving your presumption that no one will run it because you don't like it. While doing so you managed to insert your product into the discussion multiple times. And since you are clearly terrified of any competition you preemptively call him a cheat because the last thing you want is for his car to be even MORE faster than yours than it already is.

For someone that has allegedly sold over 500 JB4s to Stinger owners I would think you'd be comfortable in your position in the Stinger tuning community. But you just can't stay out of your own way. As it stands you're doing yourself and your product a disservice every time you come into someone's post and promptly drop your trousers to reveal to the community ***deleted***

 

[Terry@BMS]

Shamless sales post, lol.

N2O is bad and not a true performance part, but we can control it with the JB4, LOL!!! I am simply dumbfounded on how you made that post, and expect people to take you serious.

I've probably tuned more N20 cars than most on this thread so I'm certainly familiar with it. The safety systems allow the JB4 to disable N20 if AFR goes over a certain level, if ignition advance falls below a certain level, etc. These days the only customers who run it do so to spool really large turbos. But most have given up because when they run good times no one takes the times seriously. Who's to say if someone is running a 25 shot or a 150 shot? Who's to say if someone is running it for spool up only or leaving it on the entire run? If you have power but only for a very limited time and have to pay to continually refill it, do you really have it at all? If you think the "N20 is cheating" and "yawn" opinion is somehow unique to me personally, you've not been on forums very long.

 

[TorkMe]

I agree with Terry on people not taking nitrous seriously. i personally have not ran it but a buddy of mine does in his cobra. When he races these "built and modded" turbo cars and wins, they say he cheated and used nitrous. Yet these cars are not factory turbo cars. I told him if they tell you to turn off the bottle then tell them you want their wastegate spring out of the gate haha.

Excellent point...

If N2O were cheating, then water methanol would be what?

Bigger intercooler would be cheating also?

Where is this rule book of what is a cheat and what isn't a cheat?

Last time I went racing, you "run what you brung" no excusses.

 

[Tonkabob]

Nos and wmi seem fairly equal to me. Both you are strapping on an extra bottle that cars don't come with originally.