Kia Stinger Navigation Map Update

[Marc Collins]

Sadly not even a message stating that the version in SD card is older than the one installed, it just asks you to insert the card for the update and ignores the one there. I really which I had not updated.

You won't be the only one

It will take time, but all of us here have to be prepared to go to the wall with KIA customer service. What we needed in v13 for 2018 cars was:

• Fix the USB music search fiasco where unless Album is used the songs sort in alphabetical order instead of the proper song order from the album
• Move the fake engine sound option out of Custom and into the regular menu (as with 2019s)
• Enhance the Bluetooth txt features so they are equivalent to what other cars had last year or the year before instead of what we have now, which is from 5+ years ago
• Wireless Android Auto and Apple Car Play so we aren't occupying the USB port (or needing to use USB if we already have wireless charging)
• ...people please fill-in any other important items so we can ALL ask for them in a show of support

What was delivered:

• None of the items from above that were needed
• Removal of the Google Search via wi-fi (telematics cars have it via the cell service--thank goodness since it is the only search that actually works properly)
• Removal of one of the USB music search items (not confirmed yet, but those who have the "update" please investigate )
• Maps that are still (inevitably) out-of-date, especially the speed limit info that drives the speed limit display function in the car--effectively useless because the data is so unreliable

Let's fill-out these lists with verified info and then bombard KIA with complaints...

 

[Berzerker]

You won't be the only one

It will take time, but all of us here have to be prepared to go to the wall with KIA customer service. What we needed in v13 for 2018 cars was:

• Fix the USB music search fiasco where unless Album is used the songs sort in alphabetical order instead of the proper song order from the album
• Move the fake engine sound option out of Custom and into the regular menu (as with 2019s)
• Enhance the Bluetooth txt features so they are equivalent to what other cars had last year or the year before instead of what we have now, which is from 5+ years ago
• Wireless Android Auto and Apple Car Play so we aren't occupying the USB port (or needing to use USB if we already have wireless charging)
• ...people please fill-in any other important items so we can ALL ask for them in a show of support

What was delivered:

• None of the items from above that were needed
• Removal of the Google Search via wi-fi (telematics cars have it via the cell service--thank goodness since it is the only search that actually works properly)
• Removal of one of the USB music search items (not confirmed yet, but those who have the "update" please investigate )
• Maps that are still (inevitably) out-of-date, especially the speed limit info that drives the speed limit display function in the car--effectively useless because the data is so unreliable

Let's fill-out these lists with verified info and then bombard KIA with complaints...

Wireless AA and CarPlay, at least, will require a retrofit if new models ever support it. Those work over WiFi Direct, which would require new WiFi hardware (even if your model already has WiFi).

No car model as of right now supports Wireless Android Auto and BMW are the only ones that support Wireless CarPlay (until VW rolls out the 2020s that do).

 

[Marc Collins]

Wireless AA and CarPlay, at least, will require a retrofit if new models ever support it. Those work over WiFi Direct, which would require new WiFi hardware (even if your model already has WiFi).

No car model as of right now supports Wireless Android Auto and BMW are the only ones that support Wireless CarPlay (until VW rolls out the 2020s that do).

I didn't realize that and was only responding to the endless whinging on here about lack of wireless charging in the US cars. I love it, but it sure wouldn't be a big deal not to have it if you already have to plug your phone in for one of the phone OS connections.

It can be stricken from the list, but let's finalize the rest of the items!

 

[donnn]

I have a question that I cannot find the answer to. If I stop the car and turn off the ignition the NAV still stays on unless I open up the door. is there a way to turn it off so I don't get a battery being discharged warning 10 seconds after the car has been turned off while the NAV screen is still being displayed?

 

[edgarciadesign]

I have a question that I cannot find the answer to. If I stop the car and turn off the ignition the NAV still stays on unless I open up the door. is there a way to turn it off so I don't get a battery being discharged warning 10 seconds after the car has been turned off while the NAV screen is still being displayed?

Check your battery, I know the warning you mention. But I don’t get that for a good minute or so after turning off.

 

[edgarciadesign]

• Removal of the Google Search via wi-fi (telematics cars have it via the cell service--thank goodness since it is the only search that actually works properly)

BTW as a developer I know why they removed Google Search - it cost them more now. Last year Google changed their pricing structure so I am sure they though most people without telematics don’t use it. I wish I knew if 12.5 had Google Search and I would have waited to get a copy of that instead.

Removal of one of the USB music search items (not confirmed yet, but those who have the "update" please investigate )

If i can find some MP3s this weekend I’ll give it a try and report back.

 

[MerlintheMad]

I have a question that I cannot find the answer to. If I stop the car and turn off the ignition the NAV still stays on unless I open up the door. is there a way to turn it off so I don't get a battery being discharged warning 10 seconds after the car has been turned off while the NAV screen is still being displayed?

I've had the same question for c. fourteen months. There does not seem to be an internal "off" switch or button to just shut down the entire thing. You have to open the door. But like Ed Garcia, my warning comes longer than ten seconds, usually a minute or more.

 

[Kazz]

Sadly not even a message stating that the version in SD card is older than the one installed, it just asks you to insert the card for the update and ignores the one there. I really which I had not updated.

Use the Concierge number and talk with someone, explaining how removing it makes your Kia Stinger ownership experience less.

 

[Chucky]

I have the same version, new version is expected to be delivered via FedEx this Friday.View attachment 24477

Let me know what changes the update brings

 

[CDv6]

...is there a way to turn it off so I don't get a battery being discharged warning 10 seconds after the car has been turned off while the NAV screen is still being displayed?

Check your battery, I know the warning you mention. But I don’t get that for a good minute or so after turning off.

It's just an unnecessarily naggy warning that you're on battery; it's not saying battery is low. I have no idea why Kia thought it needed to be so prominent. EVERY car drains the battery when you run electronics without the engine running. (BTW, the same warning appears in other Kias and Hyundais; it's not Stinger-specific).

 

[donnn]

Tanks CDv6. I thought that might be the case. The car is only a month old so It should not be a battery problem. now if I can just remember to turn the automatic engine off off when I connect my seatbelt I'll be able to live with all the new electronics.

 

[Berzerker]

I have a question that I cannot find the answer to. If I stop the car and turn off the ignition the NAV still stays on unless I open up the door. is there a way to turn it off so I don't get a battery being discharged warning 10 seconds after the car has been turned off while the NAV screen is still being displayed?

It goes away after 15-20 seconds.

 

[MerlintheMad]

It goes away after 15-20 seconds.

Not that fast unless your battery is depleted. The car turns itself (everything) OFF after a few minutes typically. I guess that is the answer: there is no "shut off" aside from opening the door. I've waited up to five minutes, usually less, listening to my music, and the "battery warning" comes on more than once during that time. Then abruptly everything shuts off. Or I can open the door.

 

[brassardv]

After update to v13 same thing with google search this feature was the best thing on this system.
It always find anything with voice command at a simple hit of a button.
This feature not working anymore but as i understand it have been replace with Online search using Here Map.
It not so bad cause it search online too.
But .... for me it working with Online seach and keyboard but it not working at all with voice.
English/French simple word like Starbuck. nothing.

 

[edgarciadesign]

After update to v13 same thing with google search this feature was the best thing on this system.
It always find anything with voice command at a simple hit of a button.
This feature not working anymore but as i understand it have been replace with Online search using Here Map.
It not so bad cause it search online too.
But .... for me it working with Online seach and keyboard but it not working at all with voice.
English/French simple word like Starbuck. nothing.

We don't even get that option in the US, the search feature is completely gone. No Google maps, No Here Maps.

 

[OnTheRoad]

Update: Since I have no SD card slot, no chance of getting the update myself. I have a service appointment next week at which time they are going to hook their computer up to my car and supposedly it will immediately tell them if my system can be updated to the newer firmware and software which I have seen on some of your cars from posted photos. Since everything seems to be a package deal with the maps, I'm not holding my breathe to get wireless bluetooth messaging..

Did you ever have any luck with this? Hoping to get the Carplay update from 13.5 on my base GT somehow.

Has anyone looked into building custom USB installers with just the non-map code? What would be required, some kind of source code leak from Kia?

 

[MikeysGT]

Did you ever have any luck with this? Hoping to get the Carplay update from 13.5 on my base GT somehow.

Has anyone looked into building custom USB installers with just the non-map code? What would be required, some kind of source code leak from Kia?

In the time since I posted that message, there was some sort of incremental UVO update which my dealership applied to my car but it only seemed to be a slight tweek in user interface design and has added zero additional features that I have noticed.

 

[OnTheRoad]

In the time since I posted that message, there was some sort of incremental UVO update which my dealership applied to my car but it only seemed to be a slight tweek in user interface design and has added zero additional features that I have noticed.

Ah yes, UVO, that wonderful app custom-kneecapped just for us lucky USians.

So stupid there's no easy way to update just the infotainment software without dealer interference. I do miss that about the Mazda3. Once the ball gets started there would be all kinds of neat tweaks, fixes, and improvements. Well, at least we know that an "incremental UVO update" is possible.

Does anyone know if updating the system software and firmware through the USB data port would be possible, or is there a hardware limitation to doing that?

 

[Marc Collins]

So v13 is a total fail?

When is v14 coming? And who here (besides me) has peppered KIA with expectations of what should be included in a "premium car" infotainment system?

 

[stinger541]

I have. But they did not care. For me, the single biggest issue is them removing the option for 'Folder' for searching and playing from. Makes no sense, and every other car has it. This one DID have it, and they removed it! Stupidity.