GT 2 AWD NOT REALLY A STINGER!?!?

[StingerChick]

ok, see, the forum member, when he posted about this, inquired about getting an attorney. it would be frivolous because of the fact that you would have to prove, without a shadow of doubt, that the dealer misrepresented the vehicle in question. also, i did not say that bait and switch is allowed, what i said was bait and switch is done, not condoned. you cannot honestly tell me that any of us haven't seen advertisments offering an incredible price for something, only to see in small print that they have one in stock. and of course, you get there and it is already sold. that is legal. is it ethical? no, but it is legal. so, until the actual forum member posts that he/she has spoken with an attorney or got restitution for this mistake, we are just spinning our wheels and going off topic. and, please, if anyone is going to quote another member, at least make sure it is relelvant. i respect everyone's opinions, if i like them or not, but i do try to keep things civil between forum members.

Question are you implying I am not being civil or that this reply is off topic? My intention has been neither.
The intention was to discuss how the law states that it does not matter if the dealer was trying to be misleading ...it is illegal. What I have been attempting to articulate is how too many companies do use the gray area of bait and switch. I am a firm believer in transparency.

Another question I would love someone to expounded on is why do people give up so easy and say something is wrong; but thats just the way it is and you should accept that fact? Where would we be if everyone just gave up because it may be difficult?

 

[Weareblondi]

sometimes it is just not worth the trouble. the member in question can always just trade it back in for the model he wants. that can be his offer to corporate. but, again, he can always just get the tune, but a set or tires and rims and chalk it up to experience. transparency is great if the playing field is even. it isn't. so, you find the loopholes until we win the mega lottery and can join the 1% that controls everything.

 

[Weareblondi]

as for implying anything, i am transparent. if i don't like your response, i will tell you. you went off topic on several occasions. for me to point it out to you is irrelevant, you are an adult, we all are.

 

[phxgt]

sometimes it is just not worth the trouble. the member in question can always just trade it back in for the model he wants. that can be his offer to corporate. but, again, he can always just get the tune, but a set or tires and rims and chalk it up to experience. transparency is great if the playing field is even. it isn't. so, you find the loopholes until we win the mega lottery and can join the 1% that controls everything.

The thought occurred to me it may be a 50-50 bet at best to go to court on this issue. If the aggrieved trade their car in and get what they want it is likely to be about a $10k hit. Or they can take the $10k and spend it on attorneys fees and hope they win in court. At which point Kia would "fix" the vehicle and reimburse attorneys fees. If they lose in court they would be out the $10k and still have the car they consider to be a neutered GT.

 

[StingerChick]

The thought occurred to me it may be a 50-50 bet at best to go to court...$10k hit. Or they can take the $10k and spend it on attorneys fees and hope they win in court.

we win the mega lottery and can join the 1% that controls everything.

Both of you have valid points because this country is ran by 1% of population and they have a lot of control in said courts. As pointed out may be a 50/50 shot. Guess I cheer for the underdog. I am not willing to take a 10,000 loss. I have taken about a 9,000 loss for the CAM plug that was made of plastic which backed out and caused a engine, turbo, catalyst, and wiring problem. One reason a joint resolution would be attractive to me. Last, I am sick of the corporate bs of gray is not miss leading.

 

[Slides]

Why would you swap out hi performance summers for middle of the road AS .....................???

Because I don't want to crash and total my car in the winter and don't want to pay for both winter and summer tires.

 

[westcoastGT]

Because I don't want to crash and total my car in the winter and don't want to pay for both winter and summer tires.

I understand your rationale for not wanting separate summer and winter set ups but you de tuned your car , why not get UHPAS tires instead of AS .....................honestly that seems odd for an S5 ??

 

[Slides]

I understand your rationale for not wanting separate summer and winter set ups but you de tuned your car , why not get UHPAS tires instead of AS .....................honestly that seems odd for an S5 ??

Valid point, but UHPAS tires, while better in the winter, still aren't good in snow conditions. I need the freedom to drive in snow without being worried I'll slide through an intersection or worse. Even regular A/S tires are a comprimise.

Majority of people don't drive their Stingers or S5s at the limit to even need summer tires over A/S tires.

 

[Sensibly Spirited Driver]

Majority of people don't drive their Stingers or S5s at the limit to even need summer tires over A/S tires.

So true. I'll probably be replacing my Michelin Pilot Sport with Continental Control Contact Sports A/S. The Continentel's are Y rated, so 186MPH. I live in Seattle, not on a track, and drive through various places with some snow in winter. I actually intended to get the 18" tires for a smoother ride, but saw the large disclaimer on Kia's website that choosing the 18's would limit the car to 130MPH, so went with the 19". The ride is actually just fine on the 19's, so I'll probably stick with that wheel size. I'd prefer 18's, especially with Washington roads, but the additional cost for 19" tires over 18" is a lot less than the cost of new wheels, so, come winter, I'll just pop some Continental's on there. The Stinger can't drive faster than their top speed, and the handling is decent enough on them. That sucks for the people who got the all season tires and didn't realize they came attached to an even more speed governed car than the 19's 167mph artificial limit. I'm curious how fast the Stinger goes without the limit. This thread is perhaps a great reminder that the sales people at a dealership don't know anything about the product. Always do your own research and change your own oil.

 

[CtheW0rld]

I'm trying to get the Kia dealer to swap out the summer 19s with some decent 19 all-seasons.

The 18" ones Kia is using are kinda cheap (Bridgestone Potenza @ $694 set on tirerack). I'm asking the dealer to swap out for 19" Michelin Pilot Sport which are $869 on tirerack. These are still much less expensive than the Michelin Pilots ($1200).

It's going to be a deal breaker if they won't switch them out. Summer tires are useless where I live and I am not going to pump 900 bucks into a brand-new car.

 

[westcoastGT]

I'm trying to get the Kia dealer to swap out the summer 19s with some decent 19 all-seasons.

The 18" ones Kia is using are kinda cheap (Bridgestone Potenza @ $694 set on tirerack). I'm asking the dealer to swap out for 19" Michelin Pilot Sport which are $869 on tirerack. These are still much less expensive than the Michelin Pilots ($1200).

It's going to be a deal breaker if they won't switch them out. Summer tires are useless where I live and I am not going to pump 900 bucks into a brand-new car.

................you can sell the new Michelins in a heartbeat , I just unloaded mine for 1100 ( CAD ) on Craigslist

 

[Soca Boy]

................you can sell the new Michelins in a heartbeat , I just unloaded mine for 1100 ( CAD ) on Craigslist

That’s not bad

 

[Nexitus]

Sold mine to someone who drove a BMW for $1050 (CAD) in the Vancouver-area too. Lots of demand out there

 

[mldavis2]

Has anyone replaced the all-weather tires and actually checked to see if the car is really limited to 130mph?

 

[chris anderson]

I don't feel like reading 29 pages of this thread. has there been an aftermarket fix for this issue yet? thanks

 

[Charly]

I don't feel like reading 29 pages of this thread. has there been an aftermarket fix for this issue yet? thanks

Danger, thrills, romance, horrific car crashes, betrayal, true love. You should read it.

 

[StingerChick]

Has anyone replaced the all-weather tires and actually checked to see if the car is really limited to 130mph?

Yes, I have checked! Mine is limited.

 

[Ginccop]

I hate to keep going around and around but we were not notified of this fact and were lead to believe from the press and Kia marketing that the top speed was higher, if we're given the chance would not have settled for the model that is governed I wanted the 19's but in my state 19's was not offered and we were not notified about this situation and clearly the dealers did not include this info

Absolutely. I asked if the GT2 was the top model and had all the bells and whistles. I did do my due diligence before I bought my car, BUT I bought one of the first Stingers in the US and there was no information on the tire option at the time, aside from the tiny grey disclaimer in one of the brochures I never saw. My car guy brought it to my attention that not only did I have the 18" rims (still wasn't aware of the speed issue) but I don't have the GT2 interior trim either. I went back to the dealer to complain about the tires and I was told that ALL the AWDs came with 18" tires. When I came across the information on the speed issue, I contacted KIA Motors. They can't do much but they will file a complaint against the dealership. I don't know what that will do.

 

[davebo]

but I don't have the GT2 interior trim either.

What do you mean you don't have the GT2 interior trim? What trim do you have? Seems like if you don't have the GT2's interior, you don't have a GT2? Did you somehow get a GT1 but with an auto-opening trunk?

 

[Ginccop]

would you sell a car to someone with the ability to go 167mph with tires that are rated for 149mph?

well KIA won't nor would any other manufacturer

all this whining/complaining/threats won't help you. your only hope would be to get KIA or the dealer to take back the car and sell you a stinger that comes with 19's if you really want/need to have the ability to go 167mph.

nobody has duped you. It's printed more than one place that when equipped with the 18 inch all season tires that are rated for 149 mph the top speed would be reduced.

I don't know how you can say "Nobody has duped us". I didn't have this information when I bought my car in January. When I questioned the sales manager after the fact, he told me ALL the AWDs come with 18" tires. I have contacted Kia Motors and they told me all the sales staff should have been aware, it's in the training.