GT 2 AWD NOT REALLY A STINGER!?!?

[Slides]

Or the mods could just remove the people and their posts that are telling others to "just get over it" or to "move on". Certain posters not caring about an issue isn't a good reason to tell others to get over it. If someone doesn't care about something they should just stay away from it, not try to convince others to stop caring.

The mods shouldn't close this thread where a few people with issues are actually discussing ways to address them. They should just stop letting posters come in here and cause trouble for the people here who are discussing their problems.

Now, excuse me while I go to the "Kia Stinger (2.0) Performance Issue" thread and tell everyone to stop caring about their issue since it isn't effecting my 3.3TT. /s

If it makes you feel better the same thing happens with the German car manufacturers. My Audi S5 is speed limited to 130 mph because I had the dealer put on All Season tires. I knew this beforehand, but the dealer did not make that clear at all. With the summer tires, it's speed limited to 155 mph just like other German car manufacturers. For me it's a non-issue, but I can see where it might be for others. I have no desire to drive my S5 at 155 mph on public roads.

And if you go to Audi's website (www.audiusa.com/models/audi-s5-sportback/trims-and-specs), you will notice the top speed as 155 mph with a small footnote that's not even on the page!

So this is not just a Kia issue, so you will have a hard time finding a solution. That's just the harsh truth.

 

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Anybody who bought any car, with expectations of driving it @ 140+, yet was totally oblivious to the fact it came on speed rated 18" all season tires frankly has no business driving a performance car, and DEFINITELY NOT AT 140+. If you were an uninformed buyer, that's your problem. Thank God KIA did the legal and appropriate and limited the speed governor to align to tire spec. Else I can't imagine how many idiot's would have killed themselves or other trying to show off how cool they were trying to hit 170 on all season tires cause the commercials said they could.( Fine print doesn't matter)

One guy on an FB group for Stigners rolled and flipped his Stinger multiple times while driving fast in the winter with summer tires on! Stupidity knows no bounds.

 

[Ucinn]

Saw that...almost cried... said hit a pile of gravel which I guess they use up north instead of salt eh?

 

[StingerChick]

If it makes you feel better the same thing happens with the German car manufacturers. My Audi S5 is speed limited to 130 mph because I had the dealer put on All Season tires. I knew this beforehand, but the dealer did not make that clear at all. With the summer tires, it's speed limited to 155 mph just like other German car manufacturers. For me it's a non-issue, but I can see where it might be for others. I have no desire to drive my S5 at 155 mph on public roads.

And if you go to Audi's website (www(dot)audiusa(dot)com/models/audi-s5-sportback/trims-and-specs), you will notice the top speed as 155 mph with a small footnote that's not even on the page!

So this is not just a Kia issue, so you will have a hard time finding a solution. That's just the harsh truth.

The pont that it is not just a KIA problem is on of my points! Heck, it is not just an automobile manufacturer issue. It is a deception issue we are seeing more and more of each year in the USA! Proof in point go check your cellular phone for an update and the fine print of their offers are barried too deep. So, allowing manipulation has got Americans in these spots in which the collective's are spliting hairs of ethics. It is also a possible financial loss for me. So, one might argue that everone on this fourm has a dog in the fight.

 

[Slides]

Saw that...almost cried... said hit a pile of gravel which I guess they use up north instead of salt eh?

Correct. Some places use that instead of salt to "de-ice" the road. Shouldn't have been an issue if the guy wasn't using summer tires that would have been like glass in the cold temps.

I know a guy who was sold his Audi S5 with summer tires from the dealer and he was driving pretty slowly in some very light snow and slid across a stop sign and hit a curb. Suspension damage totaled the car. He was SOL.

Huge lesson learned. Use the tires appropriate for the weather and speeds. The dealer or car manufacturer aren't going to help you. It's your responsibility. Period.

 

[StingerChick]

One guy on an FB group for Stigners rolled and flipped his Stinger multiple times while driving fast in the winter with summer tires on! Stupidity knows no bounds.

Indeed sad! One point every vehicle has fatalities. It is not always stupidity somedays it is the mistake of human factors. I do see the ignorance often in my area people driving on summer tiers.

 

[Slides]

The pont that it is not just a KIA problem is on of my points! Heck, it is not just an automobile manufacturer issue. It is a deception issue we are seeing more and more of each year in the USA! Proof in point go check your cellular phone for an update and the fine print of their offers are barried too deep. So, allowing manipulation has got Americans in these spots in which the collective's are spliting hairs of ethics. It is also a possible financial loss for me. So, one might argue that everone on this fourm has a dog in the fight.

Sure, but it's a much larger corporate issue than just Kia. Facebook fine print and EULA is another example that's been in the news. And don't get me started on Driver assistance technology that sometimes doesn't work or other times actually kills the driver (Tesla Autopilot crash recently).

 

[StingerChick]

Use the tires appropriate for the weather and speeds. The dealer or car manufacturer aren't going to help you. It's your responsibility. Period.

Another reason I have no plans to use a preformance deletion.

 

[Slides]

Another reason I have no plans to use a preformance deletion.

You should be glad that the dealer speed limited your car to 140 mph since your A/S tires are not rated for anything higher!

 

[StingerChick]

You should be glad that the dealer speed limited your car to 140 mph since your A/S tires are not rated for anything higher!

Interesting opinion that I should be "glad" that KIA limmited my car vs. Putting the correct speed rated tiers on a car (all seasons can be z rated) they presented as a car which would do 167. Then I propose that they could have placed a (L) rated tier on your car! Enjoy not being able to reach the Utah speed limit!

 

[StingerChick]

The AWD owners just want what we feel we paid for! The comments by many on here would conclude that most on here would not care if your car was limited at 80-85 MPH because that is all the law allows.

 

[Slides]

Interesting opinion that I should be "glad" that KIA limmited my car vs. Putting the correct speed rated tiers on a car (all seasons can be z rated) they presented as a car which would do 167. Then I propose that they could have placed a (L) rated tier on your car! Enjoy not being able to reach the Utah speed limit!

No car manufacturer does what you're asking for. Neither Audi, BMW or Mercedes puts on All Season tires rated to above 130 mph. They will give you summer tires with those speed ratings and they even have an agreement to limit their cars to 155 mph with the summer tires. It's the customer's responsibility to figure this out at the end of the day.

LOL at Utah speed limit of more than 130 mph. That is illegal and more importantly dangerous.

 

[Slides]

The AWD owners just want what we feel we paid for! The comments by many on here would conclude that most on here would not care if your car was limited at 80-85 MPH because that is all the law allows.

You did not pay to go 167 mph. If you had, you would have gotten summer tires on your car.

My Audi S5 is also limited to 130 mph because I chose All Seasons knowing that it would drop the top speed from 155 mph. Completely happy with it as I got what I paid for.

 

[ballistic]

she's not complaining about the limit itself but the non-disclosure of the fact. it's much more prominent on paperwork now but it wasn't in the beginning.

 

[Slides]

she's not complaining about the limit itself but the non-disclosure of the fact. it's much more prominent on paperwork now but it wasn't in the beginning.

The same is true for the German manufacturers too. It's barely mentioned anywhere and the dealer won't tell you either. And now that Kia makes it more prominent, what exactly is the remaining issue? Kia has no liability to tell you the top speed of every combination of car they are selling.

 

[StingerChick]

Kia has no liability to tell you the top speed of every combination of car they are selling.

I believe we could agree that non-disclosures skirt the line of shades of gray. Maybe?
Next, because it is in a gray area that intersects the point where it turns from gray to white or gray to black it is blurred.
Nonetheless, I disagree with you KIA does owe the customer's the information on ALL combinations due to our rights. As an American you and I have the previlageg not to entering into a contract that is deceptive. Doing so leaves the buyer in duress (I hold deception is ethically abusive) because with the facts they would not have signed on their free will. Americans have a right to be free from false advertising, duress, and to sign on their own free will!
For example, as an OR nurse I witness contracts between doctor's and patients daily. I am that patient's advocate. Let us say you are my patient and I know you have not been informed of a surgical risk but, I think the blurred line of gray is ok and I do not ensure that you have the information. If you can prove I with held information your signature does not represent informed concent. In America you can sue due to information bring with held.

So, while my purchase is not covered under the heathcare's informed consent law it helps set a precedence in the court that a basic human right in the U.S.A includes availability of information. Likewise, a customer winning a case against Ferrari sets an precedence for manufacturers needed to informing the customers.
In our court systems lawerys link cases that set precedence in order to win. Our past cases help define what the American citizen and resident's rights are for reasonable expectation.

Even if you disagree with my opinion my hope would be that you can enjoy the debate. Next, I encourage you to ponder the rights you give up because you think a point is moot.

 

[StingerChick]

One reason I would like to keep this discussion open is the KIA Stinger platform is a baby in relation to it's release. KIA is making steps in the correct direction.
However, one persons moot point may set precedence for changing KIA for the better.

 

[StingerChick]

Utah speed limit of more than 130 mph. That is illegal and more importantly dangerous.

Thank you for attempting to make it appear that I said Utah's speed limit is 130 MPH.

Which in fact I did not!

I proposes that we limit your car to a tier rating of (L) for two reasons.
1. That would take you to the speed limit in most states. (Gotta keep you safe!)
2. If we were in Utah and the NTFS gave me tiers with the (N) rating; I would still pass ya!

* hint go look at a speed rating chat*

 

[Segador]

If it makes you feel better the same thing happens with the German car manufacturers. My Audi S5 is speed limited to 130 mph because I had the dealer put on All Season tires. I knew this beforehand, but the dealer did not make that clear at all. With the summer tires, it's speed limited to 155 mph just like other German car manufacturers. For me it's a non-issue, but I can see where it might be for others. I have no desire to drive my S5 at 155 mph on public roads.

And if you go to Audi's website (www.audiusa.com/models/audi-s5-sportback/trims-and-specs), you will notice the top speed as 155 mph with a small footnote that's not even on the page!

So this is not just a Kia issue, so you will have a hard time finding a solution. That's just the harsh truth.

Just found out the salesman that had been at Kia for years, and sold me the last two I bought is no longer working for Kia. Interesting hu.

 

[Charly]

The same is true for the German manufacturers too. It's barely mentioned anywhere and the dealer won't tell you either. And now that Kia makes it more prominent, what exactly is the remaining issue? Kia has no liability to tell you the top speed of every combination of car they are selling.

Just because the Germans are rather deceptive about the car they're selling doesn't mean Kia should be. Fortunately Kia is now being up-front about the issue and I applaud them for it. I just hope Kia takes care of the people who bought the limited Stingers before Kia adopted that policy.