EK1Pro Tune - Sixth Element

[bigdave11]

Hi. I'm hoping someone might be able to help me out. I installed the HPFP on Friday. Then I tried to do the E85 backend flash with the EK1 Lite. Every time I try to run the patch, the EK1 tells me that the vehicle information does not match. I've emailed Sxth and provided them a detailed description of the problem along with some photos. They told me that I entered my vin number wrong, and they changed it on my profile to reflect the vin that shows up in the settings of the EK1 Lite. I have tried asking them if the EK1 has it's own vin number for whatever reason, or if that vin should match my car's vin. No response. I was reading on their wiki page and it said that there shouldn't be a vin showing on the EK1 system information screen unless either I had already flashed a tune, or had bought a used EK1 with someone else's vin already locked to it. I bought this EK1 brand new from BMS last week and have never tried using it on anything other than my own Stinger. So its been 4 days since I started this little adventure. I'm beyond frustrated with this device not working and the lack of help on their end. Has anyone else had a similar experience with this or can anyone verify that the vin stored on the EK1 should match my car's vin? I'm gonna be rather annoyed if BMS somehow sent me a used EK1 and that is the cause of this whole shit show.

 

[ToddFather]

Hey group, was wondering about the recent recall for the fuel pump. The recall is saying that there is a update to the ECU and possible replace of the pump itself. now my question is regarding the BEF from BMS with the EK1 and JB4 now can we just flash the original file to the ECU before taking it in if we get the recall letter and they can update with no issues then we just reflash when we get home? Will that not just remove the update for the fuel pump or is that aspects of the software not touched?

 

[rpoffen]

Hey group, was wondering about the recent recall for the fuel pump. The recall is saying that there is a update to the ECU and possible replace of the pump itself. now my question is regarding the BEF from BMS with the EK1 and JB4 now can we just flash the original file to the ECU before taking it in if we get the recall letter and they can update with no issues then we just reflash when we get home? Will that not just remove the update for the fuel pump or is that aspects of the software not touched?

Do you have the 3.3 or 2.0?
Pretty sure the recall was the 2.0l only.

 

[ToddFather]

Do you have the 3.3 or 2.0?
Pretty sure the recall was the 2.0l only.

I have the 3.3
what I saw didn't mention anything about the specific engines just that certain ones from 2018-2021and mine being a 2019 I and my car going in for its #3 maintence service next week was starting to wonder what might happen if they say hey we got a update for your car

 

[rpoffen]

I have the 3.3
what I saw didn't mention anything about the specific engines just that certain ones from 2018-2021and mine being a 2019 I and my car going in for its #3 maintence service next week was starting to wonder what might happen if they say hey we got a update for your car

Pretty sure the only recalls for the 3.3 are the old HECU, and a new one coming in April for the turbo oil feed line.

 

[rbf351]

That is a good question though.

If you flash back to the stock flash.
1. Will the dealership be able to see that it was modified
2. Can you flash back to whatever tune you have if they update/reflash the ECU

 

[rpoffen]

That is a good question though.

If you flash back to the stock flash.
1. Will the dealership be able to see that it was modified
2. Can you flash back to whatever tune you have if they update/reflash the ECU

Seeing as you first have to flash a new “boot” block one time to even be able to load sxth tunes, I imagine they could detect this.
As to if a dealer update could then disable the ability to reload your sxth tune, not sure but if the calibration ID is changed, then there could be problems.
However I think this is moot because I don’t think sxth and ek1 support the 2.0, and the hpfp recall is only for that motor.

 

[rbf351]

Seeing as you first have to flash a new “boot” block one time to even be able to load sxth tunes, I imagine they could detect this.
As to if a dealer update could then disable the ability to reload your sxth tune, not sure but if the calibration ID is changed, then there could be problems.
However I think this is moot because I don’t think sxth and ek1 support the 2.0, and the hpfp recall is only for that motor.

I was just seeing about myself. I have a GT2

 

[WayneK]

I have a 20 GT2 AWD with just injen AI and HKS sparks. Strictly use 93 from top tier gas stations.

I have an ek1 lite and was told I could run the SXTH stage 2 ECU(no pop) and stage 1 TCU without any issues.

Just wanted to verify with the people here smarter than me to see if that info was correct.

 

[Yves998]

I have a 20 GT2 AWD with just injen AI and HKS sparks. Strictly use 93 from top tier gas stations.

I have an ek1 lite and was told I could run the SXTH stage 2 ECU(no pop) and stage 1 TCU without any issues.

Just wanted to verify with the people here smarter than me to see if that info was correct.

Let's talk about some numbers. Take JB4 map2 which is where 93 become knock limited for most of us on the stock flash as example. You're running about 19 psi tapering to 15psi. At optimal shift point around 5900 rpm you should see about 15deg peak timing before shift.

93 is barely even sufficient for the boost/timing combo above and now all the sudden somebody out of nowhere suggests you to run a flat 20 deg boost with almost flat 19deg timing. You probably already figured what's the problem here. And that person wouldn't pay for your repairing bill for sure.

If that tune works, it will kill your car. If that tune failed as always and you stuck in the revision loophole. I doubt your car will even survive the r&d process on 93.

Also top tier is only a detergent standard. It means nothing when it comes to real life octane level. Your datalog wouldn't lie about which gas station is the best locally. Real life octane level is pretty much determined by the percentage of toluene and MTBE in your gasoline. If you're in a state where MTBE is banned then your 93 is probably similar as others' 91 where MTBE is used. Now you can understand the horror story of Californians have neither 93 nor MTBE used.

 

[rbf351]

Let's talk about some numbers. Take JB4 map2 which is where 93 become knock limited for most of us on the stock flash as example. You're running about 19 psi tapering to 15psi. At optimal shift point around 5900 rpm you should see about 15deg peak timing before shift.

93 is barely even sufficient for the boost/timing combo above and now all the sudden somebody out of nowhere suggests you to run a flat 20 deg boost with almost flat 19deg timing. You probably already figured what's the problem here. And that person wouldn't pay for your repairing bill for sure.

If that tune works, it will kill your car. If that tune failed as always and you stuck in the revision loophole. I doubt your car will even survive the r&d process on 93.

Also top tier is only a detergent standard. It means nothing when it comes to real life octane level. Your datalog wouldn't lie about which gas station is the best locally. Real life octane level is pretty much determined by the percentage of toluene and MTBE in your gasoline. If you're in a state where MTBE is banned then your 93 is probably similar as others' 91 where MTBE is used. Now you can understand the horror story of Californians have neither 93 nor MTBE used.

I'm running the JB4 RACE NoBurble BEF, and Stage2 TCU + Lower RPM Shifting on 93 with 80/20 WMI and have no issues. I'm guessing the WMI is what's helping.

i tried the JB4 RACE IGN19 NoBurbles BEF, but it was not running well at all, same with the Stage 2 Flash

 

[Yves998]

I'm running the JB4 RACE NoBurble BEF, and Stage2 TCU + Lower RPM Shifting on 93 with 80/20 WMI and have no issues. I'm guessing the WMI is what's helping.

i tried the JB4 RACE IGN19 NoBurbles BEF, but it was not running well at all, same with the Stage 2 Flash

Yeah that 19 deg is aggressive. More aggressive than his old 20deg due to more timing after shift. I'm settling with 17deg race bef and map5 and map6 for now with 93+meth. I'm running pure meth and bm12 nozzle.

 

[WayneK]

Let's talk about some numbers. Take JB4 map2 which is where 93 become knock limited for most of us on the stock flash as example. You're running about 19 psi tapering to 15psi. At optimal shift point around 5900 rpm you should see about 15deg peak timing before shift.

93 is barely even sufficient for the boost/timing combo above and now all the sudden somebody out of nowhere suggests you to run a flat 20 deg boost with almost flat 19deg timing. You probably already figured what's the problem here. And that person wouldn't pay for your repairing bill for sure.

If that tune works, it will kill your car. If that tune failed as always and you stuck in the revision loophole. I doubt your car will even survive the r&d process on 93.

Also top tier is only a detergent standard. It means nothing when it comes to real life octane level. Your datalog wouldn't lie about which gas station is the best locally. Real life octane level is pretty much determined by the percentage of toluene and MTBE in your gasoline. If you're in a state where MTBE is banned then your 93 is probably similar as others' 91 where MTBE is used. Now you can understand the horror story of Californians have neither 93 nor MTBE used.

Thank you for this info as it really breaks down the back end of what’s going on with the tune.

I was told that I would have no issues by SXTH support. I just wanted to get other people’s opinion before I bought the tune.

Sounds like from what you are saying that I would be pushing it to the limit(if not surpassing it) if I’m using only 93 octane.

Looking at their description it does seem to say 93 is ok for the stage 2 tune.

 

[rbf351]

Thank you for this info as it really breaks down the back end of what’s going on with the tune.

I was told that I would have no issues by SXTH support. I just wanted to get other people’s opinion before I bought the tune.

Sounds like from what you are saying that I would be pushing it to the limit(if not surpassing it) if I’m using only 93 octane.

Looking at their description it does seem to say 93 is ok for the stage 2 tune.

the stage 2 they offer you has almost no description compared to the one offered for mine

 

[WayneK]

the stage 2 they offer you has almost no description compared to the one offered for mine

Yea yours definitely has more info. All the ones I see have very short descriptions.

I guess I’ll just go with stage 2 if SXTH says it’s ok. I’ll pull some logs and have them review before I decide to stick with it long term.

I had told them I only had stock exhaust and they said it’s fine I just couldn’t get the pop tune (which I don’t want). I should be getting a new exhaust in the next couple weeks anyway.

 

[Yves998]

Yea yours definitely has more info. All the ones I see have very short descriptions.

I guess I’ll just go with stage 2 if SXTH says it’s ok. I’ll pull some logs and have them review before I decide to stick with it long term.

I had told them I only had stock exhaust and they said it’s fine I just couldn’t get the pop tune (which I don’t want). I should be getting a new exhaust in the next couple weeks anyway.

It's waste of money. None of their tune works at the moment and that's why everyone of us tuned via EK1 is stuck with BEF. Sxth is not the tuner that able to put together a full tune at the moment.

 

[WayneK]

It's waste of money. None of their tune works at the moment and that's why everyone of us tuned via EK1 is stuck with BEF. Sxth is not the tuner that able to put together a full tune at the moment.

Damn wish I knew that earlier. Already bought the stage 2 ECU and stage 1 TCU this morning.

Flashed both and went for a little drive and haven’t noticed any issues (yet). I pulled logs to have them review

 

[rbf351]

Damn wish I knew that earlier. Already bought the stage 2 ECU and stage 1 TCU this morning.

Flashed both and went for a little drive and haven’t noticed any issues (yet). I pulled logs to have them review

I didn't feel or notice any issues either, but when you have it full throttle, and then look at the logs you will see the issues going on

 

[WayneK]

I didn't feel or notice any issues either, but when you have it full throttle, and then look at the logs you will see the issues going on

Good to know. Haven't had a chance to do multiple WOT 3rd and 4th pulls yet. Only was able to do 2 so far and didn't feel anything.

But like you said maybe the logs will show what I am not feeling. Hopefully they can just dial in something "reliable". I don't need every single HP gain possible from the tune.

In hindsight maybe a JB4 with a BEF would have been the better route for me personally. With their no refund policy I guess Ill stick this out for now and see what they can come up with.

Worst case I just eat it with a lesson learned and move on to the alternative route.

 

[See3Pee01971]

It's waste of money. None of their tune works at the moment and that's why everyone of us tuned via EK1 is stuck with BEF. Sxth is not the tuner that able to put together a full tune at the moment.

Can you explain this? I thought one of the members was running a full sxth ECU/TCU tune? Isn't he on the top 10 list?