Agreed! This is exactly what I am doing.
Burger Tuning JB4 for Kia Stinger!
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Agreed! This is exactly what I am doing.
Revvdmedia
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I have the opposite here. I've dealt with the same tech for my warranty concerns and to be brutally honest I just don't think he's that good. He also looks pretty young so he may not be enormously experienced, and I think they made him my tech because he's the best they have.
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Like any service industry, I believe that a dealership's quality of service varies from place to place. When I brought my car to have the plugs replaced, they charged me for 3 hours of labor because service manager said "we have to remove the manifold in order to change the plugs." When I replied that I saw replacing the plugs could be done without removing the manifold, the service manager replied "this is the standard operating procedure for removing plugs in this vehicle." Now maybe that is actually the SOP and they are not allowed to deviate. Maybe they just don't have staff experienced at removing plugs without removing the manifold. Or maybe they were just trying a money grab. Either way, I'm not going back to them for routine maintenance. Needless to say, I will be learning how to change my own plugs when they need to be replaced.
Revvdmedia
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If they were going to warranty the work performed, they at least need to quote and price based on SOP, I would wager a guess, it gives them an excuse that they didn't deviate from SOP in case something goes wrong. In truth, if they were experienced, they'd likely quote SOP time ("standard shop time") and pocket the extra money when doing the plugs with swivels like many have done. That's how dealers earn healthier profit, quoting book time and busting their butt to beat that time. It's not entirely dishonest, just means we have to pay more as customers than we might have been able to save on their behalf.
I do a lot of quoting for my profession (manufacturing industry) and I try to quote as close to REAL prices as I can so we can earn standard margin that we anticipate on the sale. If I happen to come across a less expensive source once issuing purchase orders after the quote was created, we will pocket the difference as a positive purchase price variance. Of course it can go the other way if things take longer, prices go up after we quote, etc. It's give and take in the long haul.
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Aarvix
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The book says 3hr.
If the mechanic is savvy and can do it in 1hr, he still gets paid for 3.
They have no real incentive to risk losing money.
There's much more room for negotiation with an independent mechanic, if you can find a good one.
If the mechanic is savvy and can do it in 1hr, he still gets paid for 3.
They have no real incentive to risk losing money.
There's much more room for negotiation with an independent mechanic, if you can find a good one.
Bonsai
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Having gone to a technical school (UTI) what Aarvix said, that's the case. And that is why labor charges are so high at dealers. Every service operation already has a set time. That is what dealers charge. Now the tech doesn't have to follow this procedure. The spark plugs for example. If the tech is savvy like Aarvix said he knows he can get it done without taking the intake off. And will get it does as fast as he can, but he is flagging the 3 hours (so getting paid for the 3 hours). As a tech you can work 40 physical hours, but you can flag 120 hours in one week if you bust ass and are good. As well as get to pick the best jobs (longest jobs that can be done faster than the book says). Dealer doesn't care that it can be done quicker than the book, they actually want that. They can do more jobs that way. It's just the business. So never expect to go to a dealer and say hey you can do it quicker this way. They probably know that already. They will still charge the SOP labor hours.
Now independent shops is were you can negotiate, just because you are usually dealing with the person that owns the shop or manager etc.
Oryan
Stinger Enthusiast
This hasn't been brought up here for a while, but can anyone find a reason why the BMS Diff brace won't fit an AWD model? Open diff and LSD RWD Stingers use the same part number for the diff housing itself and I can't find anything that suggests Kia used a different part# for AWD Stingers.
Andy B
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Hey Terry,
Can you take a look at these logs. Map2 on BP 93 fuel (US), BMS intakes along with fuel wires active. These are my first logs and wondering how things look. Heading to the track this Friday so I want to know things are where they should be.
Can you take a look at these logs. Map2 on BP 93 fuel (US), BMS intakes along with fuel wires active. These are my first logs and wondering how things look. Heading to the track this Friday so I want to know things are where they should be.
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Looks pretty normal to me! Fuel quality is just OK so I'd keep it on map2.
Revvdmedia
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Those ignition values are sexy and large on that second run, it excites me.
That delicious USA 93 octane, lucky bugger.
Bonsai
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Is the ign_1 values you are focusing for the fuel quality? Looking for large drops between scans (excluding the gear changes I'm guessing)?
Slowly trying to learn how to read the logs, so usually following your posts when you have a specific comment on a log try to look up what usually indicated it reading this thread: Logging Parameters and their Meaning - N54Tech.com - International Turbo Racing Discussion I'm thinking its pretty general even though being in the N54 section.
Bonsai
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Oh ok, that clears it up more. By the way do you offer the program to load the .csv files into to graph it for Windows. Or is it only available if you purchase the BMS Data Cable? I feel it gets a little cluttered reading the graph on the phone.
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Bonsai
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Sorry I kept looking toward the bottom of the post, kept skimming over the top of the post. Thank you!
xot1
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Hi Terry
A simple question, just out of curiosity.
Do you expect that we will see back end flash maps to use along with the JB4 on this platform like on BMW cars? or will it be a map vs piggyback two-side camp?
A simple question, just out of curiosity.
Do you expect that we will see back end flash maps to use along with the JB4 on this platform like on BMW cars? or will it be a map vs piggyback two-side camp?
Of course, that is always the evolution of platforms as long as I've been doing this. We start by doing as much as we can with the JB4 but there are always some things better handled via flash map changes. As the cars get older/fall out of warranty, and flash mapping options advance, we then release free flash maps specifically designed to improve the JB4's tuning and feature set.
The holdup on the platform currently is lack of OBDII flashing support and the fact that the cars have such a long warranty period so few people are willing to reflash. Both will change with time and we'll be here to support our customers along the way.
Pnbnationsbest
Stinger Enthusiast
If there were a tuning partner of yours @Terry@BMS in Michigan, I'd reflash!
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