Burger Tuning JB4 for Kia Stinger!

[niko]

The v6 firmware had changes for catless, not had any global problems since. Sometimes cars in really cold weather with downpipes need the IAT wire added for various reasons.

I noticed that with my car. Only when it’s cold

 

[TwinSnails]

@Blitz you May still have some of the Costco gas in it. But the car will have a memory and then will recycle out (very basically stated - some tables fill and purge out). With some flash tuners you can force the KAM (kill all memory) function.

I personally have no idea how it works on Kia’s. You could try the “pull the negative battery terminal” for ~30 mins and see if resets some of the tables I gues.

I try to stick to two known gas stations when I’m local. I was running insanely aggressive mapping on an EcoBoost once filled up with a Shell in another area and let’s just say think God I was monitoring with more than my ear. Around that time two engines punched holes in the blocks, too.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Let's say you run a lower octane tank of gas and shit all over your car. Does it take a while for the ecu to adapt back to being more aggressive, or is it quick? I want to know if my car has PTSD from costco.

There is a short term knock correction and a longer term octane adaption. The short term corrections kick in for seconds at a time, the longer term octane adaption would take a few 1/4 mile style pulls to adapt itself back, after correcting a fuel issue. Did you add in a can of octane booster?

Although the 0-60 is fun I was more interested in why your traps are only 114mph, instead of the expected 116mph, on map2. If the timing looks good now on map2 for 1/4 mile then let's see if your traps go up stepping up to map3, for example.

 

[Tonkabob]

Did alot more testing today. I don't feel like parsing all the logs and posting them unless someone wants something.

Things that might be worth sharing:

Agency intakes take .2 off of my 0-60 over the stock intakes. Verified with 3-4 runs with each on the exact same location, setup, and fuel. Stock IAT is lower by quite a bit(sometimes like 20 degrees), but hot air is better than not enough air I guess.

Costco gas is very questionable. My car was running way more timing with less pull on shell, and after going back to shell my times seem to be improving quite a bit.

Map 1 same setup, same location, same fuel ran about .5 seconds slower with stock intakes.

Map 2 0-60 : 4.29 - Agency Power Intakes, SSR Downpipe.
Map 2 0-60 : 4.50 - Stock Intakes, SSR Downpipe
Map 1 0-60: 5.0 - Stock Intakes, SSR Downpipe

Oh, I also hit a 1.96 60'! The slope was close to legal.(-1.44)

I have 2 questions.

What does average advance mean? This value varies by ALOT in my logs and I'm not sure what to deduce from it.

Let's say you run a lower octane tank of gas and shit all over your car. Does it take a while for the ecu to adapt back to being more aggressive, or is it quick? I want to know if my car has PTSD from costco.

Don't feel bad about the slope. If you went to the private track the slope is really in the -.35 to -.8 range. I made a treck out there this morning and had -1.52!, -1.19 both at speed and a -.47 that I backed out on at 60 MPH. Even at speed this track is typically -.7 or -.9. and at slow speeds more of the -.35 to -.47 range. I wish dragy would invest some time in the altitude measurement as it is super annoying and will invalidate some good runs and make dragy unusable for many people. We may get worse readings since we are so far north and after the 1/4 mile their is some slope. (end rant)

 

[Blitz]

That’s a nice drop with intakes. Would love to see a stock intake vs k&n panel filters vs intake.

I think the consensus is that the problem area in the stock intakes is the inlet, and not the filter, so I'd be surprised if it did much.

The stock intakes are so nice. Reinstalling them I noticed all of the smart design decisions on them.If you're running hard for a long period of time, the stock intakes keep temps down extremely well.

There is a short term knock correction and a longer term octane adaption. The short term corrections kick in for seconds at a time, the longer term octane adaption would take a few 1/4 mile style pulls to adapt itself back, after correcting a fuel issue. Did you add in a can of octane booster?

Although the 0-60 is fun I was more interested in why your traps are only 114mph, instead of the expected 116mph, on map2. If the timing looks good now on map2 for 1/4 mile then let's see if your traps go up stepping up to map3, for example.

As soon as I can get somewhere I can run full 1/4 mile comfortably I will, but I like to be safe about it. For now, all I got is 0-60s. I did add octane booster to the tank I am running right now. I will be returning to straight shell when done with this tank. My shell pulls BEFORE the break were pretty much golden, so I think it will be good on map 2 once everything is flushed and corrected.

 

[Blitz]

@Terry@BMS Can you address average advance? Please!

 

[Terry@BMS]

@Terry@BMS Can you address average advance? Please!

It's not used on the Stinger currently.

 

[Blitz]

It's not used on the Stinger currently.

Thanks!

 

[Terry@BMS]

On the intake you want to keep everything good about the stock system, while eliminating the restriction in the airbox. BMS intake FTW.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Terry Im ordering the fuel cables now, would you be willing to sell me the IAT cable as well? Id rather not have to wait for them it

With the Lap 3 DPs im assuming ill throw a CEL I can remove the code with the JB4 right?

 

[Blitz]

Terry Im ordering the fuel cables now, would you be willing to sell me the IAT cable as well? Id rather not have to wait for them it

With the Lap 3 DPs im assuming ill throw a CEL I can remove the code with the JB4 right?

Downpipe wont throw a CEL. I have SSR and no trouble at all!

 

[Angel]

Downpipe wont throw a CEL. I have SSR and no trouble at all!

Lol he’s not talking about secondary downpipes like the SSR ... he is talking about the lap 3 primary downpipes...

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Downpipe wont throw a CEL. I have SSR and no trouble at all!

The common misconception with our cars. The DP are actually the pipes that come off the turbos. IMO the SSR Dowpipes should be called midpipes lol

 

[Blitz]

The common misconception with our cars. The DP are actually the pipes that come off the turbos. IMO the SSR Dowpipes should be called midpipes lol

Agree. Thought the LAP3 ones used the same naming convention! My b.

 

[brancky3]

The common misconception with our cars. The DP are actually the pipes that come off the turbos. IMO the SSR Dowpipes should be called midpipes lol

Yep that's pretty misleading. On this car it should be: midpipes = secondary cats, downpipes = primary cats.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

@Terry@BMS here is the order number (ORDER BMS99717) . If you could add the IAT cable I would much appreciate it. If you want me to pay for it please send me an invoice so we can add it to the order prior to shipment.

 

[Terry@BMS]

@Terry@BMS here is the order number (ORDER BMS99717) . If you could add the IAT cable I would much appreciate it. If you want me to pay for it please send me an invoice so we can add it to the order prior to shipment.

I'll the the guys know to throw one in for you.

 

[Oryan]

Yep that's pretty misleading. On this car it should be: midpipes = secondary cats, downpipes = primary cats.

On a lot of KDM Turbo 4-bangers what's normally called a downpipe everywhere else(The primary cat off the turbo) gets called a O2 housing because it has the O2 sensors on it. The pipe behind it gets called a downpipe because it may or may not have secondary cats stock and therefore all the catbacks will start behind it.. and if you think that's confusing go look at Subaru's boxers where you'll have an up-pipe, downpipe, overpipe, I've heard cross-pipe on some applications..

 

[P4RTYH4RTY]

I’m hearing Maps 3, 5, and 7 haven’t been fine tuned yet, nor run as consistent or reliable as Map 2; is this true?

I see lots of people run, and talk about, Map 2, but not much of the others; is that the reason?

Not trying to stir the pot, just trying to collect all the information before I purchase; I’ve had the JB4 and BMS Intakes sitting in my cart for the last week.

 

[brancky3]

I’m hearing Maps 3, 5, and 7 haven’t been fine tuned yet, nor run as consistent or reliable as Map 2; is this true?

I see lots of people run, and talk about, Map 2, but not much of the others; is that the reason?

Not trying to stir the pot, just trying to collect all the information before I purchase; I’ve had the JB4 and BMS Intakes sitting in my cart for the last week.

Map 7 is more of an experimental map, but 3 and 5 are definitely fine tuned for higher octane gas / E85 mixes. As long as your fuel is consistent, map 3 and 5 will be consistent. Map 2 is more of a 'set it and forget it' map which still delivers huge power gains