GT 2 AWD NOT REALLY A STINGER!?!?

[Slides]

Just found out the salesman that had been at Kia for years, and sold me the last two I bought is no longer working for Kia. Interesting hu.

I don't know. Car salesman change dealerships pretty often.

 

[Slides]

Just because the Germans are rather deceptive about the car they're selling doesn't mean Kia should be. Fortunately Kia is now being up-front about the issue and I applaud them for it. I just hope Kia takes care of the people who bought the limited Stingers before Kia adopted that policy.

This is not deception lol. The Germans set the trends for the industry, especially for high performance cars. That's just the fact. You will not get a speed limit above 130 mph with A/S tires for Kia, Genesis, Audi, BMW or MB. Period.

 

[Slides]

she's not complaining about the limit itself but the non-disclosure of the fact. it's much more prominent on paperwork now but it wasn't in the beginning.

Non-disclosure means this was NEVER stated anywhere. And that is factually incorrect. I agree that it was hidden away, but in the eyes of the law, that's good enough in most cases. When I bought my Audi, the ONLY reason I knew that the top speed would be limited with A/S tires was because I read Audi forums. This is, whether we like it or not, industry standard.

 

[eflyguy]

Not only was it stated, as I have posted earlier in this thread, but regardless of whether it was or was not, *all* features and specs are subject to change at any time without prior notice, and *that* disclaimer covers this situation.

I'm not here to tell anyone to stop debating, but please keep it civil, stop with the accusations and derogatory remarks, against members AND manufacturers.

 

[Charly]

I'm not suggesting Kia was intentionally being deceptive but still they were not originally forthcoming about the issue; now they are. Hooray for Kia and if not being up-front about the cars they sell is standard for the Germans then maybe I'll buy a German car when they start following Kia's lead

 

[Segador]

I don't know. Car salesman change dealerships pretty often.

Could be.

 

[Ucinn]

They do, I think we had the same salesperson once...out of 5 cars we have bought at our deaership we have had 4 different sales rep.

 

[davebo]

It's a good time to point out that plenty of tire manufacturers do make Z rated All Season tires that perform just fine. You don't need some R-compound almost-no-tread Summer tire just to go 150mph in a straight line on a highway. Using slower rated tires is just something car manufacturers do because it makes them more money and they correctly assume most people aren't actually going to get over 130 so they tend to get away with it. The German car makers aren't saints and we shouldn't all assume that however they do things is the "right" way (hey, remember dieselgate?) They're car manufacturers like any other and it's in their best interest to make $200 more per unit if they can.

 

[Weareblondi]

Just because the Germans are rather deceptive about the car they're selling doesn't mean Kia should be. Fortunately Kia is now being up-front about the issue and I applaud them for it. I just hope Kia takes care of the people who bought the limited Stingers before Kia adopted that policy.

It is not so much as a deception but as a way to keep the European courts from charging them higher insurance penalties. All the German manufacturers will limit their cars at 155 because that is the cut off. Anything higher and they get hit with penalties. Their cars might do 200 or they might do 140, either way, it is a gentleman's agreement that, in writing, it says 155. As for kia and the snow tires, has anybody thought to check that states regulations in regard to awd and performance tires? In n.y., awd, unless you asked for it specifically pre-purchase, you got the lower rating. It is a simple ECU fix to remove the governor. In Florida, an AWD vehicle that offered either option, it's the dealer who sets the car up. When the Mrs and I were looking at the stinger, they had 2 chroma reds, both awd drive, one with z rated tires. It was listed on the window sticker. Dealer said some people just want the option because they aren't performance oriented In their driving. The old saying of buyer beward is evident here. Bait and switch, etc etc. I feel for the forum member who purchased his car without the 19's. Hate that all he got were floor mats, and I had stated that, but, has he gone and asked to have the governor removed? Sure, he will probably have to pay to have it done, but at least it would be done by a dealer. Otherwise, get a racechip, lap3 and get a set of 19's with z tires. That's just a thought.

 

[westcoastGT]

This is not deception lol. The Germans set the trends for the industry, especially for high performance cars. That's just the fact. You will not get a speed limit above 130 mph with A/S tires for Kia, Genesis, Audi, BMW or MB. Period.

Ultra Hi Perf AS tires are not speed limited and are available for all the brands you listed .........I've owned several "German" cars and used them them on most and have them on my GT

 

[Slides]

Ultra Hi Perf AS tires are not speed limited and are available for all the brands you listed .........I've owned several "German" cars and used them them on most and have them on my GT

I'm guessing you bought them yourselves right? OEM A/S tires are going to be lower rated usually. I never stated such tires don't exist.

 

[Slides]

It's a good time to point out that plenty of tire manufacturers do make Z rated All Season tires that perform just fine. You don't need some R-compound almost-no-tread Summer tire just to go 150mph in a straight line on a highway. Using slower rated tires is just something car manufacturers do because it makes them more money and they correctly assume most people aren't actually going to get over 130 so they tend to get away with it. The German car makers aren't saints and we shouldn't all assume that however they do things is the "right" way (hey, remember dieselgate?) They're car manufacturers like any other and it's in their best interest to make $200 more per unit if they can.

No, they certainly are not saints at all. Never claimed they are. But they certainly do lead the industry and set most of the trends in this class of cars.

They've figured this out and know they can get away it legally and from the market's point of view.

 

[davebo]

They've figured this out and know they can get away it legally and from the market's point of view.

Well then we're definitely on the same page. In terms of the will of the people upsetting this trend, unfortunately I don't think the number of people who bought a Stinger GT with A/S tires in the first three months of North American launch before they started plastering the speed cap info everywhere are going to cause enough of a ruckus to change industry-wide practices. It's probably just down to the individuals going through their dealerships and getting litigious if it's worthwhile for them.

 

[westcoastGT]

If it makes you feel better the same thing happens with the German car manufacturers. My Audi S5 is speed limited to 130 mph because I had the dealer put on All Season tires. I knew this beforehand, but the dealer did not make that clear at all. With the summer tires, it's speed limited to 155 mph just like other German car manufacturers. For me it's a non-issue, but I can see where it might be for others. I have no desire to drive my S5 at 155 mph on public roads.

And if you go to Audi's website (www.audiusa.com/models/audi-s5-sportback/trims-and-specs), you will notice the top speed as 155 mph with a small footnote that's not even on the page!

So this is not just a Kia issue, so you will have a hard time finding a solution. That's just the harsh truth.

You did not pay to go 167 mph. If you had, you would have gotten summer tires on your car.

My Audi S5 is also limited to 130 mph because I chose All Seasons knowing that it would drop the top speed from 155 mph. Completely happy with it as I got what I paid for.

Why would you swap out hi performance summers for middle of the road AS .....................???

 

[eflyguy]

Please stop with the negativity or this thread will be closed. If you don't have anything productive to add to the discussion, please consider keeping your comments to yourself.

 

[Kia Stinger]

Offending post removed along with the quoted response.

 

[StingerChick]

Please stop with the negativity...If you don't have anything productive to add to the discussion, please consider keeping your comments to yourself.

If anyone's strength is editing, spelling, and grammar; have a clerical position open for dissertation editor. LOL
The owners want us to play nice.

 

[westcoastGT]

..........................periscope down ! Dive , Dive , Dive !!!

 

[StingerChick]

Many have pointed out that your translation of the AWD limiter is not deception. Another said it was buyer beware of the bait and switch and believes our law allows it. The U.S.A does not allow misrepresentations: omissions of fact and blatant misrepresentations. Most lawsuits will be filed under a theory of bait and switch (A form of false or deceptive advertising, in which a car dealer lures customers to the dealership by advertising one vehicle at a certain price. After he tells the customer that the particular vehicle is no longer available before using aggressive tactics to sell a different, more expensive vehicle). There is also the common law tort of fraud which skilled attorneys use.

If suing you do not need to establish that the seller actually knew the representation was false at the time he made it. Instead, you must establish only that there was a mistakr mad in he representations under circumstances indicating a reckless disregard for the truth. On the other hand, they ought to have known that such representations were not true. If you cannot establish all the required elements of fraud, you may have a claim against the dealer for making negligent misrepresentations.

 

[Weareblondi]

ok, see, the forum member, when he posted about this, inquired about getting an attorney. it would be frivolous because of the fact that you would have to prove, without a shadow of doubt, that the dealer misrepresented the vehicle in question. also, i did not say that bait and switch is allowed, what i said was bait and switch is done, not condoned. you cannot honestly tell me that any of us haven't seen advertisments offering an incredible price for something, only to see in small print that they have one in stock. and of course, you get there and it is already sold. that is legal. is it ethical? no, but it is legal. so, until the actual forum member posts that he/she has spoken with an attorney or got restitution for this mistake, we are just spinning our wheels and going off topic. and, please, if anyone is going to quote another member, at least make sure it is relelvant. i respect everyone's opinions, if i like them or not, but i do try to keep things civil between forum members.