Contemplating Trading in the Stinger for an EV

[Redleg94]

I love EVs. I'll even buy one when I can drive 350 miles in ANY weather, hot or cold, with the heat or AC on and using the entertainment system-- and then CONVENIENTLY get a full charge in 20 minutes.

I think this will happen someday, but not soon -- 2-3 decades, that is IF another technology is not adopted prior to this.

About 40% of the population does not currently live in a single-family home where they can charge at home and I can't imagine where convenient charging would be available to folks living in apartments, housing complexes, etc. And if you have watched the Green people in congress you may have noticed they want to have more & more multi-unit dwellings . . . I think the long-range plan is NO personal cars . . .

The ONLY way that EVs and apartment dwelling works is with dedicated parking and charging stations.

 

[Ohiocruiser]

The ONLY way that EVs and apartment dwelling works is with dedicated parking and charging stations.

 

[Ohiocruiser]

Californians asked to not charge electric cars — days after gas ban announcement

 

[Devin]

Californians asked to not charge electric cars — days after gas ban announcement

Ahh California. The gift that keeps on giving.

 

[JSolo]

Bring back the horse and buggy in CA.

 

[Ohiocruiser]

Taxi in California by 2035. You can't use horses because it's an animal cruelty

 

[LordKOTL]

Politics aside...

About a month before I got my Stinger, my wife got a Mustang Mach E Select. There are things I like about it, and things I don't--just like her opinion of my Stinger. aside from pure æsthetics, like me loathing SUV's, here are some of my observations and comparisons:

• For her Mach-E:
  • It'll cost us a ton to put in a 240V/5A circuit at out house since our circuit is already at max. For now we're stuck with 120V/15A charging for her. Others might be in the same situation even if they own/mortgage; there might have to be serious upgrades to do fast AC charging.
  • She has to commute 5 days a week, at near a 10 mile commute both ways. Ergo, she goes to work, comes home, plugs it in, and even on that trickle charge she's all charged up for tomorrow. So, it works for her.
  • The ride and interior is nice, quiet, the thing does have throw-you-into-the-seat torque, is a very comfortable ride, and has an imperial buttload of cargo space.
  • Tends to have body roll in the twisties
  • Range is only about 200 miles.
• Contrasting my Stinger
  • Gas prices suck like <insert poor-taste joke here>.
  • I only have to commute 1 day a week, and it's about the same 10 miles, but on backroads.
  • The ride interior is nice, quiet as I need it to be, and the thing does have throw-you-into-the-seat torque, is a very comfortable ride, and is deceptively fast at highway speeds.
  • Handles a lot smoother in the twisties
  • Range is 300+ miles for a normal commute, *well* over 350 for highway.

So for around-town trips we take her Mach-E. If we stay within our metro area and don't overdo it, she's fully charged overnight--so grocery getting, errands, etc. For long road trips, we take my Stinger. I can go farther on a tank of gas than her Mach E on a charge, and there are gas stations in a ton of places, but EV charging stations are sparse even here in "Save-the-Planet-Central" and there are still issues with eunuchs who will try to unplug your vehicle at charging stations. Her Mach E can go flat to 80% in about 50 minutes, whereas my stinger refuels in less than 5.

As for my opinion on EV's, I think the infrastructure is not quite there...yet. It will be, but I think I have time to enjoy the hell out of the Stinger and my next vehicle might be an EV, but for now I think the Mach E and Stinger compliment each other nicely.

My $0.02. Keep in mind that comparison is opinion and observation, not hard fact.

 

[MerlintheMad]

As for my opinion on EV's, I think the infrastructure is not quite there...yet. It will be ...

More talk lately points to the serious ICE companies concentrating on hydrogen power. The EV is just a stopgap, manipulated to increase gov't control over the resources of the free market. Mind you, I'm not onboard for unlimited "free" market: which leads to monopolies and crushing the little business owners. So, it is in gov't's interest to be the guardian of energy sources and other resources that are essential to capitalism: gov't can serve as an arbiter to keep the playing field leveled, i.e., make availability to the resources to all players. Where gov't skids off the rails is manipulating the marketplace, especially in restricting some resources without the public supporting that. Draconian "supply chain" manipulation to shift energy toward "renewables" is simply corruption in gov't because of kickbacks, bribes and self-interest (like the politician being invested in the so-called renewables). We need to be more vigilant and pushback against gov't intrusion for its own sake (self-interest).

 

[Ohiocruiser]

Mind you, I'm not onboard for unlimited "free" market: which leads to monopolies and crushing the little business owners.

As a free market guy, i have to strongly disagree with that. Monopolies are only possible because of the government regulations and unconstitutional laws they are pushing that allows them to pick winners and loosers. The monopolies in free market are close to impossible, unless it is absolutely the best possible solution for the problem. And in that case it's not a bad thing.

 

[MerlintheMad]

^^^Do you have any examples? I am thinking that never since the late 19th century has the US had a virtually unmanipulated marketplace: the Fed has increased presence and control. Today capitalism is so fettered with Fed strictures as to be virtual fascism. Everybody throws around "fascist!" as if they themselves are not complicit. But a lot of gov't control can be rolled back with knowledge and insistence. "Not now, but in the coming years": this would take a lot of private enterprise pushback.

 

[bfglitch]

Draconian "supply chain" manipulation to shift energy toward "renewables" is simply corruption in gov't because of kickbacks, bribes and self-interest (like the politician being invested in the so-called renewables).

Yes, because there aren't any politicians that get kickbacks or have self interest in oil.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Yes, because there aren't any politicians that get kickbacks or have self interest in oil.

Lol, you're going to apply some kind of equivalency to an infrastructure over a century old to this politicized FAKE crisis? EVs would not even be a blip on the horizon without "My GAWD, we've got ourselves a climate crisis! We're all gonna DIE!" Anyone in power or influence is approached by that cabal of Neewz spreaders to buy their cooperation. Of course, being under attack, Big Oil is going to fight back.

The most potent evidence that "renewables" is a scam is that they are touted without the least mention of the fossil fuels (energy) required to produce and maintain them. On my recent road trip, I passed no less than half a dozen rigs carrying replacement wind turbine propeller blades: those blades were made in factories powered by dead dinosaurs, and carried to the site by the same fuel burning rigs, and the defunct blades carried off the same way: and how are they disposed of? More infrastructure powered by CO2-emmitting plants. Answer this: why do greenhouses pump two or three times the CO2 into them than exists outside? Why do satellite pics over the past generation show expanding greenery especially detectable along arid/desert regions? Warming is happening and that generates more CO2 which is the basis of all life. Why are we seeing record cold in Antarctica and expanding ice in the Arctic? Why are the coral reefs rebounding so nicely? Why is all of this labeled "mis/disinformation" by the censorship freaks?

I'll answer the questions with one answer: so that "they" can ban my car and my fun and turn me into a data point with a number (I already am, but I'll be told eventually what that is when the bribes and self-interest buy enough gov't power to force all of this on the world: it's happening everywhere, but only the stupefied West, developed nations, are buying into it: the vast majority of the world's people just want their power stations and attendant pollution, which worked well for us, so why not for them?).

 

[bfglitch]

Lol, you're going to apply some kind of equivalency to an infrastructure over a century old to this politicized FAKE crisis? EVs would not even be a blip on the horizon without "My GAWD, we've got ourselves a climate crisis! We're all gonna DIE!" Anyone in power or influence is approached by that cabal of Neewz spreaders to buy their cooperation. Of course, being under attack, Big Oil is going to fight back.

The most potent evidence that "renewables" is a scam is that they are touted without the least mention of the fossil fuels (energy) required to produce and maintain them. On my recent road trip, I passed no less than half a dozen rigs carrying replacement wind turbine propeller blades: those blades were made in factories powered by dead dinosaurs, and carried to the site by the same fuel burning rigs, and the defunct blades carried off the same way: and how are they disposed of? More infrastructure powered by CO2-emmitting plants. Answer this: why do greenhouses pump two or three times the CO2 into them than exists outside? Why do satellite pics over the past generation show expanding greenery especially detectable along arid/desert regions? Warming is happening and that generates more CO2 which is the basis of all life. Why are we seeing record cold in Antarctica and expanding ice in the Arctic? Why are the coral reefs rebounding so nicely? Why is all of this labeled "mis/disinformation" by the censorship freaks?

I'll answer the questions with one answer: so that "they" can ban my car and my fun and turn me into a data point with a number (I already am, but I'll be told eventually what that is when the bribes and self-interest buy enough gov't power to force all of this on the world: it's happening everywhere, but only the stupefied West, developed nations, are buying into it: the vast majority of the world's people just want their power stations and attendant pollution, which worked well for us, so why not for them?).

Dude....simmer down. All I'm saying is ALL politicians have an agenda and get kickbacks and have interest in ANYTHING that has any form political weight. If you don't see that, you're blind and closed minded.

 

[Ohiocruiser]

Dude....simmer down. All I'm saying is ALL politicians have an agenda and get kickbacks and have interest in ANYTHING that has any form political weight. If you don't see that, you're blind and closed minded.

That is why i am saying the only solution is to put the government back into constitution chains. They simply wont have the power to sell. I was fascinated by American Constitution before i came to this country. And was very disappointed to find out the government wiped its ass with it.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Dude....simmer down. All I'm saying is ALL politicians have an agenda and get kickbacks and have interest in ANYTHING that has any form political weight. If you don't see that, you're blind and closed minded.

I believe that is what I was saying. And right now the agenda is to destroy what works just fine, and replace it with new powermongers: and the politicians want a piece of the action.

 

[ht_addict]

Dude....simmer down. All I'm saying is ALL politicians have an agenda and get kickbacks and have interest in ANYTHING that has any form political weight. If you don't see that, you're blind and closed minded.

They are so corrupt that they can't even pass a bill to stop them and their spouses from trading on the stock market when in power. People go to jail for insider trading. Politicians dont.

 

[ht_addict]

As a free market guy, i have to strongly disagree with that. Monopolies are only possible because of the government regulations and unconstitutional laws they are pushing that allows them to pick winners and loosers. The monopolies in free market are close to impossible, unless it is absolutely the best possible solution for the problem. And in that case it's not a bad thing.

Which are brought on by the corruption, kickbacks and political donations by said companies to their political wannabees in office. There is no such thing as a free market.

 

[ht_addict]

Dude....simmer down. All I'm saying is ALL politicians have an agenda and get kickbacks and have interest in ANYTHING that has any form political weight. If you don't see that, you're blind and closed minded.

100% agree. They are also privy to information that may sway the market one way or another that they can pass onto their spouses to trade on.

 

[Ohiocruiser]

Which are brought on by the corruption, kickbacks and political donations by said companies to their political wannabees in office. There is no such thing as a free market.

The power the government is selling was stolen from you!! Learn your own history and you will never say such a thing as "no free market". Step by step they are enforcing more and more regulations that take more and more control from you for your own life in the name of saving you from yourself. And when it fails, they are saying, it happened because they didn't have enough power, and they need more, while selling what they can to the highest bidder.

 

[LordKOTL]

As I said...politics aside.