3.3TT Kia Stinger 3.3TT SSR Downpipes +30WHP / +26WTQ NO TUNE!!!!! Dyno Runs and Testing

[Pnbnationsbest]

It is apparently impossible in metro Detroit for an exhaust shop to fab up 2.5"ID 409 flanged midpipes....SO STUPID. I don't want to wait for SSR because car season will be almost over here when they'll be caught up on orders.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

It is apparently impossible in metro Detroit for an exhaust shop to fab up 2.5"ID 409 flanged midpipes....SO STUPID. I don't want to wait for SSR because car season will be almost over here when they'll be caught up on orders.

Wow why not??? There are many custom exhaust shops in FL and almost all of them will build midpipes for individual cars. I was just quoted $360 installed from one shop and $450 from another, and both use the better 304 SS 2.5 tubing.

I dont understand why that wouldnt be available and almost any reputable exhaust shop should be able to do this for you.

 

[Pnbnationsbest]

Wow why not??? There are many custom exhaust shops in FL and almost all of them will build midpipes for individual cars. I was just quoted $360 installed from one shop and $450 from another, and both use the better 304 SS 2.5 tubing.

I dont understand why that wouldnt be available and almost any reputable exhaust shop should be able to do this for you.

Bruh, who you telling!?! I couldn't even find a place that carried 304 stock except for one place that I just won't go to.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Bruh, who you telling!?! I couldn't even find a place that carried 304 stock except for one place that I just won't go to.

You and your sad Detroit exhaust shops! JK, but I am sorry to hear that and just assumed someone would offer it if you called enough of them.

Maybe its something to do with the snow or salted roads, but that would be even more of a reason to carry 304 instead of the more rust prone 409 SS. I'm at a loss and just wish you the best on your search.

 

[Gtecko]

why pay a shot 450 when you can get the junbl or ssr for almost the same price ?

 

[Tonkabob]

Did any one ever get a before and after dyno with the mid pipe? Or any other measures?

 

[StungBlueGT2]

why pay a shot 450 when you can get the junbl or ssr for almost the same price ?

Multiple reasons and the shop quotes include installation. Most places will charge another $100 to add SSR/Junbl MPs. So the $360 quote is about HALF the price of installed Junbl MPs(~$650+$100=$750).

Also a reputable exhaust shop will custom make MPs for your specific car to make sure the fitting is perfect. Many people have complained about pre-fabricated MPs not fitting correctly and rubbing against metal or leaking.

And lastly some people dont want to wait for the back ordered SSR MPs so they were asking for similar options. I simply provided the best alternatives I found to try to help the community.

 

[Gtecko]

That actually make sense @StungBlueGT2 , I ll see what we have in Halifax , Nova Scotia here

 

[ngramly]

Wow why not??? There are many custom exhaust shops in FL and almost all of them will build midpipes for individual cars. I was just quoted $360 installed from one shop and $450 from another, and both use the better 304 SS 2.5 tubing.

I dont understand why that wouldnt be available and almost any reputable exhaust shop should be able to do this for you.

Can you refer me to those shops? I'm in Broward and this could end up on my short list based on those prices.

Thanks!

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Did any one ever get a before and after dyno with the mid pipe? Or any other measures?

SSR got 30whp/26wtq from their MPs. I know some people think vendors inflate numbers but doubt SSR would risk fraud over a few extra HP so I think this is probably pretty accurate on a stock Stinger.

I wish we could get more thorough testing on Stingers with chips/tunes since one user said the gains were minimum with extra boost. I believe the gains wouldnt be as much as 30whp, but much more than the few HP difference they saw on that one dyno run. If people forget to do a few WOT runs after an upgrade then they arent really seeing the gains they should be achieving.

 

[WildBill]

Yeah, I got into it with John @Tork on FB over this when I said it was a top HP mod next to a tune. He swears that in the testing they have done both with customer's purchased DPs and in their own exhaust fab on their shop car they have seen nowhere near the advertised 30hp on a tuned car.

So before and after measuments via Dragy or dyno would be great.

 

[Tonkabob]

SSR got 30whp/26wtq from their MPs. I know some people think vendors inflate numbers but doubt SSR would risk fraud over a few extra HP so I think this is probably pretty accurate on a stock Stinger.

I wish we could get more thorough testing on Stingers with chips/tunes since one user said the gains were minimum with extra boost. I believe the gains wouldnt be as much as 30whp, but much more than the few HP difference they saw on that one dyno run. If people forget to do a few WOT runs after an upgrade then they arent really seeing the gains they should be achieving.

Others have confirmed similar results on stock cars but tuned cars are showing much less gains. Like a tenth as much.

 

[Jonathan Lasich]

Others have confirmed similar results on stock cars but tuned cars are showing much less gains. Like a tenth as much.

Yeah, I got into it with John @Tork on FB over this when I said it was a top HP mod next to a tune. He swears that in the testing they have done both with customer's purchased DPs and in their own exhaust fab on their shop car they have seen nowhere near the advertised 30hp on a tuned car.

So before and after measuments via Dragy or dyno would be great.

I had not realized this! I just assumed that a 30 HP increase on a stock vehicle would net at least as much, if not more on a tuned vehicle.

One of our forum members did before and after dyno runs with a Pressertech tune. He has since installed the SSR midpipes and is waiting for a follow-up dyno run. It will be interesting to see his results! Hopefully in the next week or two.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Others have confirmed similar results on stock cars but tuned cars are showing much less gains. Like a tenth as much.

Agree, and exactly why I stated this part in my post above.
"I wish we could get more thorough testing on Stingers with chips/tunes since one user said the gains were minimum with extra boost. I believe the gains wouldnt be as much as 30whp, but much more than the few HP difference they saw on that one dyno run. If people forget to do a few WOT runs after an upgrade then they arent really seeing the gains they should be achieving."

 

[pgeneste]

BTW for all those who are new to the RWD / AWD difference to the down pipe, these two pics should help. BTW JUN B.L. are 60.5mm (2.38") pipe and SSR are 63.5mm (2.5") (12% more area) so gives a larger collector effect off of primary CDP, but both are SS 304. View attachment 22430
Overlap of both photo's below, (same shape but different mounts).
View attachment 22431

Note of correction in post #348, I caught the picture descriptions in error, AWD tabs are more mid section of the tube, and RWD are more toward the end near the bend.

 

[Tonkabob]

Yeah, I got into it with John @Tork on FB over this when I said it was a top HP mod next to a tune. He swears that in the testing they have done both with customer's purchased DPs and in their own exhaust fab on their shop car they have seen nowhere near the advertised 30hp on a tuned car.

So before and after measuments via Dragy or dyno would be great.

I did dragy 3.89 0-60 on the way to the shop to get SSR installed and ran 3.89 directly after it was installed. (Tuned)

 

[WildBill]

I did dragy 3.89 0-60 on the way to the shop to get SSR installed and ran 3.89 directly after it was installed. (Tuned)

I was unaware of this when chatting with John, just going by the MFR dyno sheets. I dug into it afterwards and found your statements. I believe you and John. No reason to make this stuff up.
This is why I'm hesitant on going for the ARK DPs, I think the money would be better spent on WMI.

 

[StungnTn]

I've heard @Tonkabob's argument before. However, I have 40 more whp dyno'd than with an intake alone based on the dyno's on JB4's website with my Xforce exhaust that includes a catless mid-pipe. Perhaps there is some difference between Tork's tune and JB4, I really can't say. However, I can say with certainty that my experience differs from Tonkabob's. I would have to side with the vendor on this one, SSR's mid-pipe's do make a difference.

My dyno experience resulted in an increase of 50whp with intake, mid-pipes, and exhaust, and an additional 75whp with a tune.

 

[Tonkabob]

I've heard @Tonkabob's argument before. However, I have 40 more whp dyno'd than with an intake alone based on the dyno's on JB4's website with my Xforce exhaust that includes a catless mid-pipe. Perhaps there is some difference between Tork's tune and JB4, I really can't say. However, I can say with certainty that my experience differs from Tonkabob's. I would have to side with the vendor on this one, SSR's mid-pipe's do make a difference.

My dyno experience resulted in an increase of 50whp with intake, mid-pipes, and exhaust, and an additional 75whp with a tune.

Tell us more. I'm not clear where you are getting your numbers. Do you have before and after dynos on your car? And you saw the 50 WHP increase from stock to intake, catback, and mid pipe? Then another 75 from the tune.
I haven't seen anyone dispute the mid pipe gains on a non tuned car.

But if you are comparing between different dynos I could wrongfully say my catback added 30 WHP as I've seen stock dyno jets AWDs at 320 whp and mine hit 353 whp on another dyno jet with just a catback. But there are variations between dynos and that would be misleading. Other AWDs on the same dynojet started at 343 so I suspect my catback is actually 10 whp on a stock car.

 

[StungnTn]

I posted my dyno results already, they were all done on the same day except the original dyno. I am having another Stinger owner dyno before and after their SSR mid-pipes to set the record straight. As my configuration is slightly different. Perhaps you are right, and if you are you would save a lot of people money.

But I would say the evidence related to my car dynoing consistently higher than JB4 with only an intake is evidence of the performance difference. If you were to say that the dyno read high, I would argue that before I was tuned I dyno'd around 367whp after multiple runs on the very same day with intake, exhaust, and mid-pipes.

Here's the clip and results of the 9 dynos that I ran.