Drag/Acceleration The Official 1/4 mile track thread.

[brancky3]

Burger gets credit for the wire cut brake mod. With out that its a 12.0 car.

Without your tune your car is a 12.9 car. A mod is a mod, don't try to discount his time because of it

 

[Whiteybird]

Let's see who the first person is to snap an axle. Or, the first person to swap base model brakes on in the rear to run a 15" w/ slicks

Running an 18 should be fine with ET streets, my 19's dead hooked on the street. I don't think we are at the power levels yet to need the brake swap. As soon as we pass over the 600hp mark then those options should def be explored. This platform still has a few more years or needs more people interested in actual builds.

 

[Kato_the_kia_stinger]

Just a totally uninformed question to Kato, and everyone - did you launch in sport mode? I understand that sport is best for throttle response, but in the slow-motion video, it seems that the rears spun before the fronts, which makes sense if it's a 20-80 (F/R) split in sport. However, doesn't that suggest with a bit MORE traction, you could do even better? As in, custom mode with everything sport except "comfort" AWD setting (50-50 or 40-60? split) would be able to put a bit more power down to the front, so you'd have a bit more overall traction and let you launch even a bit harder?

I did launch in sport. My tests with comfort and Eco weren’t satisfying. I hooked, but it felt sluggish.

 

[Kato_the_kia_stinger]

Burger gets credit for the wire cut brake mod. With out that its a 12.0 car. Now we just see who wants to up the anti and go for it. But I see 4 AWDs that should move above Kato if they want it bad enough to cut the wire!

When that DA drops Kato is low 11.7s and others may hit high 11.5s

Me previous best time of 12.0 was with a DA of 2000. So, rest assured that I will try races both with and without breakboost. I’m excited for some of the previous top spot Kias to use the BMS method. Very, very good times are coming!

 

[Tonkabob]

Without your tune your car is a 12.9 car. A mod is a mod, don't try to discount his time because of it

Funny. Now you see why there are only a handful of non jb4 owners left on this forum. That would be like adding NOS and then saying Jb4 rules!
Not discounting the time. Its awesome. It's just not a Jb4 victory but is a Burger victory. Congrats Kato and Terry.
If others want to try the brake mod before cutting the wire you can slide your dragy plate over the break switch (down by the brake arm) and should have the same effect. I was able to hit 2800 RPM and 8 PSI. Only tried it 2 or 3 times off the track and didn't feel quite right so I stopped the testing.

 

[sym]

I think he's saying use "Custom" with everything set to "Sport" besides "AWD" which might hook up better in Comfort mode as you'd have more front bias on launch.

Not sure how much of a difference it would make but it's worth trying.

 

[Kato_the_kia_stinger]

I think he's saying use "Custom" with everything set to "Sport" besides "AWD" which might hook up better in Comfort mode as you'd have more front bias on launch.

Not sure how much of a difference it would make but it's worth trying.

That’s the next set of tests. Definitely a good thing to try.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Funny. Now you see why there are only a handful of non jb4 owners left on this forum. That would be like adding NOS and then saying Jb4 rules!
Not discounting the time. Its awesome. It's just not a Jb4 victory but is a Burger victory. Congrats Kato and Terry.
If others want to try the brake mod before cutting the wire you can slide your dragy plate over the break switch (down by the brake arm) and should have the same effect. I was able to hit 2800 RPM and 8 PSI. Only tried it 2 or 3 times off the track and didn't feel quite right so I stopped the testing.

FWIW I would not suggest that method, you're cutting off the brake switch input to ALL modules. You need to cut if off to the ECU ONLY. Add our switch and you'll be very happy with the results. It's nice being able to dry-hop to clean off the tires before runs too. Just go around the water box, back up, burn out a bit, then when you pull up to the lights it's ready to rock. With your lighter rims should have 11.6s potential pretty easily.

On the DIY in general I think most people are just really happy they don't have to deal with Tork to get their 60's down!

LOL, you are kidding me... right? It took cutting up the wire harness and lanching the car at 3000 RPM at 10 lbs of boost.

Now... imagine what will happen when we have methanol injection and cut the same wire.

John Bushbaum A bit ironic that with all of your "100s of flash tables" and "months of flash work" it actually only took around an hour of R&D (from a real engineer) and a single wire cut to completely change the Stinger 1/4 mile game. In a format that everyone can implement at home FOR FREE!

 

[brancky3]

Funny. Now you see why there are only a handful of non jb4 owners left on this forum. That would be like adding NOS and then saying Jb4 rules!
Not discounting the time. Its awesome. It's just not a Jb4 victory but is a Burger victory. Congrats Kato and Terry.

How is that not a JB4 victory? Imagine if Tork found a way to increase launch control RPM to 3000RPM and build boost on launch... by your logic that wouldn't be Tork's victory. You've said in the past your launch control is higher than everyone else's (2450RPM vs 2200RPM standard) which enables you to launch harder. Harder launches = lower ETs. This is literally the only reason you've held on to the 1/4 mile record.

 

[Doel]

How is that not a JB4 victory? Imagine if Tork found a way to increase launch control RPM to 3000RPM and build boost on launch... by your logic that wouldn't be Tork's victory. You've said in the past your launch control is higher than everyone else's (2450RPM vs 2200RPM standard) which enables you to launch harder. Harder launches = lower ETs. This is literally the only reason you've held on to the 1/4 mile record.

Jesus the bickering here..... really guys. He said it's a Burger victory, that's the JB4 tuner, he's just saying it isn't the JB4 itself that's getting the time down but the actual company.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Burger gets credit for the wire cut brake mod. With out that its a 12.0 car. Now we just see who wants to up the anti and go for it. But I see 4 AWDs that should move above Kato if they want it bad enough to cut the wire!

When that DA drops Kato is low 11.7s and others may hit high 11.5s

? Thats like saying you have a 12.9 car without your tork tune. Dont be salty about it.

Like its been said... faster than a piggy on meth guess not anymore. Not to mention his DA's are really high. I think 11.6's are more than capable. Considering he only had 2 runs to dial things in im sure there can be improvements made with Terry helping him.

A few people today im sure.... Lap3 folks who still cant get into the 11s, the 1 tork supporter, and myself. Wish I had a jb4 again just to test this out with my slicks. Do i dare buy another O_O

 

[Get Stung]

How is that not a JB4 victory? Imagine if Tork found a way to increase launch control RPM to 3000RPM and build boost on launch... by your logic that wouldn't be Tork's victory. You've said in the past your launch control is higher than everyone else's (2450RPM vs 2200RPM standard) which enables you to launch harder. Harder launches = lower ETs. This is literally the only reason you've held on to the 1/4 mile record.

I agree that is the only reason tork tune was faster, now the playing field is level. I no longer see an advantage with the tork tune. If tonka does this mod we all will be leaving at 3k rpms. The advantage is gone.

 

[turboAWD]

I agree that is the only reason tork tune was faster, now the playing field is level. I no longer see an advantage with the tork tune. If tonka does this mod we all will be leaving at 3k rpms. The advantage is gone.

True. On the other hand, if Tork is able to do this in the ECU, rather than requiring cutting a switch, and increasing line pressure, etc, then he may find an advantage again. But it seems that the Stinger is not his priority, and updates are few and far between..

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

True. On the other hand, if Tork is able to do this in the ECU, rather than requiring cutting a switch, and increasing line pressure, etc, then he may find an advantage again. But it seems that the Stinger is not his priority, and updates are few and far between..

Hard to make it a priority when he sold 3 tunes.

 

[turboAWD]

Just curious - how good is a 1.6 0-60ft, relatively speaking? I know next to nothing about 1/4 mile stuff.. A quick google showed some Mustangs TRYING to get to 1.6. Obviously with RWD, launch will be more difficult.

Are we basically "optimized" now, for our drivetrain and power levels? 1.6 0-60, ~11.5-11.6 ET? And will the next round of gains require bigger turbos? I'm totally not complaining, just trying to learn.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Just curious - how good is a 1.6 0-60ft, relatively speaking? I know next to nothing about 1/4 mile stuff.. A quick google showed some Mustangs TRYING to get to 1.6. Obviously with RWD, launch will be more difficult.

Are we basically "optimized" now, for our drivetrain and power levels? 1.6 0-60, ~11.5-11.6 ET? And will the next round of gains require bigger turbos? I'm totally not complaining, just trying to learn.

Everytime i think the platform has hit the ceiling companies like Burger show that the platform hasnt yet lol. I would have said the cap was going to be about 12 seconds for most cars in most conditions but a 11.8 in 2800 DA is just showing you guys have just scratched the surface

 

[Kamauxx]

Starting to look like a JB4 list.

 

[Tonkabob]

I agree that is the only reason tork tune was faster, now the playing field is level. I no longer see an advantage with the tork tune. If tonka does this mod we all will be leaving at 3k rpms. The advantage is gone.

Kinvara already beat my 60 foot using a brake mod when he ran 11.95.

 

[Kato_the_kia_stinger]

Kinvara already beat my 60 foot using a brake mod when he ran 11.95.

You run today?

 

[Terry@BMS]

Everytime i think the platform has hit the ceiling companies like Burger show that the platform hasnt yet lol. I would have said the cap was going to be about 12 seconds for most cars in most conditions but a 11.8 in 2800 DA is just showing you guys have just scratched the surface

Being able to launch the car and cut 1.6x 60' times was really the last major thing holding the car back. Of course the question will now be does Kia know something we don't which is why they blocked brake boosting in the first place? Maybe the drivetrain isn't really up to it long term? Time will tell. But no doubting this single cut wire is effectively a Stinger racing game changer.