3.3TT Stinger Misfire

[ecko04]

This is priceless and goes to show you have 0 knowledge in the tuning world. The link you put is for a flex fuel sensor. As I said the Stinger is a sensor. Now here is the kit, which includes fuel lines, injectors, fuel rails, and oh look a tuner which involved re writing the maps.

COBB Flex Fuel Kit w/ Stage 3 Power Package Black 2019-2021 STI / 2018 STI Type RA

Buy COBB Flex Fuel Kit w/ Stage 3 Power Package Black 2019-2021 STI / 2018 STI Type RA, a Flex Fuel by COBB Tuning, for only $6,245.00 at Subimods.com!

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You do realize you quoted a Stage 3 kit, right? That’s not what we’re talking about here. You’re moving the goal posts yet again. Once again we’re talking E30, not E85. Your big power stage 3 kit is for E85.

Pay attention to what’s stated on the page and you’ll notice how wrong you continue to be.

FROM COBB’s website

“Fuel System Considerations

As with other DIT platforms i.e. VW, BMW, Mazda, the fuel pumps in Subaru DIT vehicles are not designed for ethanol use beyond 10-15%. That said, ethanol levels between 15-30% are generally well tolerated. Those comfortable with mild risk can run ~E30 and enjoy improved knock resistance, charge air cooling, and a mild improvement in engine power potential. While you can't get E30 at the pump, pumping a combination of E0/E10 gas and E85 in an appropriate ratio will allow blending of a near E30 mixture in your tank.”
Yes, you need a tune to take advantage of the E30. And some piggybacks for the Stinger do adjust the fueling for flex fuel by taking the signal, relaying it to the piggyback to then adjust fueling in near real time. Cobb nor the link you provided are saying you need to replace the full on fuel system for MILD improvement.

 

[ecko04]

It's on a phone keypad you need to chill lol

Just blame your last 10 messages on the phone. Then we’d all understand it.

 

[ZedsGT]

You do realize you quoted a Stage 3 kit, right? That’s not what we’re talking about here. You’re moving the goal posts yet again.

Pay attention to what’s stated on the page and you’ll notice how wrong you continue to be.

FROM COBB’s website

“Fuel System Considerations

As with other DIT platforms i.e. VW, BMW, Mazda, the fuel pumps in Subaru DIT vehicles are not designed for ethanol use beyond 10-15%. That said, ethanol levels between 15-30% are generally well tolerated. Those comfortable with mild risk can run ~E30 and enjoy improved knock resistance, charge air cooling, and a mild improvement in engine power potential. While you can't get E30 at the pump, pumping a combination of E0/E10 gas and E85 in an appropriate ratio will allow blending of a near E30 mixture in your tank.”

Yes, you need a tune to take advantage of the E30. And some piggybacks for the Stinger do adjust the fueling for flex fuel. Yet they’re not saying you need to replace the full on fuel system for MILD improvement.

The whole entire time I stated a kit, not just a sensor so yes it is what we're talking about.
My whole entire goal of the post was to have op revert back to stock to solve his misfire issues. You are just a rambling keyboard warrior who isn't helping anyone.

 

[ecko04]

The whole entire time I stated a kit, not just a sensor so yes it is what we're talking about.
My whole entire goal of the post was to have op revert back to stock to solve his misfire issues. You are just a rambling keyboard warrior who isn't helping anyone.

So once again, to be clear. You’re not talking about running E30 with a piggyback? You’re talking about a flex fuel KIT?
Not unlike this KIT - COBB Tuning - Subaru Flex Fuel Ethanol Sensor Kit - WRX 2015-2020
Or this KIT - Fuel-It FLEX FUEL KIT for KIA/GENESIS 3.3L -- Bluetooth & 5V
Or this KIT - Kia/Genesis 3.3L Flex Fuel Kits

From the link YOU posted

“This is the easiest to use and most sophisticated Flex Fuel kit on the market. Utilizing OEM fuel and electronic connectors, the Ethanol Sensor Kit measures the ethanol content of fuel being fed to the motor. The Flex Fuel Ethanol Sensor Kit is a requirement for converting your supported Subaru to a Flex Fuel configuration. The Ethanol Sensor Kit measures the ethanol content of fuel being fed into the motor and converts it into data that can be utilized by the car's ECU.”

Ok, we’re done here.

 

[ZedsGT]

So once again, to be clear. You’re not talking about running E30 with a piggyback? You’re talking about a flex fuel KIT?
Not unlike this KIT - COBB Tuning - Subaru Flex Fuel Ethanol Sensor Kit - WRX 2015-2020
Or this KIT - Fuel-It FLEX FUEL KIT for KIA/GENESIS 3.3L -- Bluetooth & 5V
Or this KIT - Kia/Genesis 3.3L Flex Fuel Kits

Your rambling led us to 1000 different topics. I was telling op to take off the tuner and run pump fuel. Those are not kits those are sensors as I already said. A kit involves a real tune as I already said.

 

[ecko04]

Your rambling led us to 1000 different topics. I was telling op to take off the tuner and run pump fuel. Those are not kits those are sensors as I already said. A kit involves a real tune as I already said.

So to you a KIT comes with a REAL TUNE? LOL.

You’re right, we covered 1000 different topics. And now you’re well informed that the Stinger can run E30 with a piggyback. Welcome to the Forum.

 

[ZedsGT]

So to you a KIT comes with a TUNE? LOL.

You’re right, we covered 1000 different topics. And now you’re well informed that the Stinger can run E30 with a piggyback. Welcome to the Forum.

If you look at the Kit I sent, that little box that says "cobb on it" comes with a thing called an ots tune, and you can even take it to a thing called a dyno and have tuners actually rewrite the tables to adjust timing and real parameters from 20%-85% Ethanol. Pretty cool stuff welcome to cars.

 

[ecko04]

I never said it needed 55% more flow I said It needs to compensate for that missing power.
It is around 34% more E but were not doing the math.
The tuners the stinger uses isn't even a flex fuel tune with a flex fuel sensor IE: subarus running a cobb FLEX FUEL KIT. You don't just put 30% Ethanol in a car and say yeah the ecu will compensate with no way of actually reading what is going into the tank.
I'm not "railing" on flex fuel but using it in the stinger with no real tune or hardware to run a real ethanol set up is silly.

If you look at the Kit I sent, that little box that says "cobb on it" comes with a thing called an ots tune, and you can even take it to a thing called a dyno and have tuners actually rewrite the tables to adjust timing and real parameters from 20%-85% Ethanol. Pretty cool stuff welcome to cars.

Yesterday, said the stinger doesn’t use a flex fuel sensor. You were wrong.

Then you equated the flex fuel sensor the Stinger does use to the Cobb Flex Fuel Kit, and you’re right because they’re essentially the same.

Now you’re saying that a kit and a sensor are not the same but a KIT comes with a REAL TUNE.

You can just say that you prefer ECU tunes over piggybacks when using any sort of flex fuel. That’s really your issue — not that it can’t be done but rather how it’s done on this platform right now.

I’m trying to let you off the hook.

 

[Travis Wills]

The manual doesn’t say not to use ethanol. That would be effectively eliminating the vast majority of fuel in the states.

While you are technically correct that it doesn’t forbid the use of ethanol completely. It does explicitly say that you should not use more than 15% ethanol in the vehicle.

True E85 should not be used in the vehicle and most people know not to even try that. Yes, there are plenty of people using up to E30 in the vehicle without any significant issues. However, that doesn’t mean Kia approves of that practice.

The owner’s manual indicates that gas mileage can be affected by using too high content of Ethanol. However, it also says that damage due to using more than 15% Ethanol “may not be covered by the manufacture’s warranty”.

E30 or less will most likely work in the car. However, if issues arise you better believe Kia is going to try to use that against you in warranty claims if they have proof that you didn’t follow the owner’s manual.

They seem more concerned about methanol use in the manual. They explicitly say not to use it at all. However, plenty of people have been using methanol in the Stingers without any issues.

 

[ecko04]

@Stingerr sorry about hijacking your thread. Have you reached out to Lap3 about your issues? I’m just wondering what, if any, troubleshooting steps they’ve offered. Also, if anything they should know the fix for your speedometer issue, right?

 

[ecko04]

While you are technically correct that it doesn’t forbid the use of ethanol completely. It does explicitly say that you should not use more than 15% ethanol in the vehicle.

True E85 should not be used in the vehicle and most people know not to even try that. Yes, there are plenty of people using up to E30 in the vehicle without any significant issues. However, that doesn’t mean Kia approves of that practice.

The owner’s manual indicates that gas mileage can be affected by using too high content of Ethanol. However, it also says that damage due to using more than 15% Ethanol “may not be covered by the manufacture’s warranty”.

E30 or less will most likely work in the car. However, if issues arise you better believe Kia is going to try to use that against you in warranty claims if they have proof that you didn’t follow the owner’s manual.

They seem more concerned about methanol use in the manual. They explicitly say not to use it at all. However, plenty of people have been using methanol in the Stingers without any issues.

Agreed. The manual says a lot, but that doesn’t mean that you can’t do some things. If I’m not mistaken flex fuel vehicles don’t get the best gas mileage even though it may be cheaper. With CAFE standards, I can see why even cars that are able to run it won’t market it as such. Kia also seems to acknowledge that it’s exceedingly rare for a car to suffer damage from ethanol. We’re not talking pure e85 though lol — that’s a different story.

People are using methanol but not methanol in the fuel tank? At least I haven’t encountered anyone mixing a flex fuel or gas with methanol. Meth injection is a different thing.

 

[Travis Wills]

Agreed. The manual says a lot, but that doesn’t mean that you can’t do some things. If I’m not mistaken flex fuel vehicles don’t get the best gas mileage even though it may be cheaper. With CAFE standards, I can see why even cars that are able to run it won’t market it as such. Kia also seems to acknowledge that it’s exceedingly rare for a car to suffer damage from ethanol. We’re not talking pure e85 though lol — that’s a different story.

People are using methanol but not methanol in the fuel tank? At least I haven’t encountered anyone mixing a flex fuel or gas with methanol. Meth injection is a different thing.

Kia is not specific about how the methanol is used. They forbid the use of methanol in any form or fashion.

 

[ecko04]

Kia is not specific about how the methanol is used. They forbid the use of methanol in any form or fashion.

I read that last paragraph as them explicitly calling out methanol fuel and the fuel system. Meth injection, once again — correct me if I’m wrong, isn’t entering the fuel system. It’s used to decrease intake charge temps?

 

[Travis Wills]

I read that last paragraph as them explicitly calling out methanol fuel and the fuel system. Meth injection, once again — correct me if I’m wrong, isn’t entering the fuel system. It’s used to decrease intake charge temps?

Kia isn’t specific at all about how it is used. For legal purposes you can’t inject what you think they mean. If they explicitly state you can’t use methanol with the car then you can’t use it in any form or fashion and expect them to warranty it for that use.

 

[ecko04]

Kia isn’t specific at all about how it is used. For legal purposes you can’t inject what you think they mean. If they explicitly state you can’t use methanol with the car then you can’t use it in any form or fashion and expect them to warranty it for that use.

Oh we’re talking about warranty purposes. Well yeah, the same can be said for any aftermarket part.

 

[monusa]

Hello everyone I need help I have a misfire that I cannot fix since I installed lap 3 pro tunner

OMG......the back and forth is kind of funny but the fact remains.......this person has a problem and they looked to the forum for answers....."ecko04" and "ZedsGT", get a room!!!!!!!!......let's try to give them some help. If you don't have an "intelligent" answer for them, just say "I got nothing".....your "manhood" will still be intact....or not!!

For "Stingerr".....put things back to stock as much as possible and if your mechanic guy does'nt have any answers, then a trip to the dealer may be in order......I am sure that is the last resort but may be necessary if you want your vehicle back to top running condition. At this point, what do you have to lose??? A lighter wallet....Not pointing any fingers at you "Stingerr", but in the short time of being on the forum, I have seen this a LOT..... I too got caught up in the "tune" thing without doing any homework or asking myself: "can this be reversed if I screw it up?". After I got my car back (new engine and all), backed away from the tune game until I could educate myself as to what was actually going on with the car with/without a tune. Have a pretty good understanding of engines as I worked at TMMK building Camry/Avalon V6's but the "tuning' part was left up to the techs.......I am better for it and my "new" Stinger is running a LOT better for it......all I got....take it for what it's worth.

 

[ZedsGT]

OMG......the back and forth is kind of funny but the fact remains.......this person has a problem and they looked to the forum for answers....."ecko04" and "ZedsGT", get a room!!!!!!!!......let's try to give them some help. If you don't have an "intelligent" answer for them, just say "I got nothing".....your "manhood" will still be intact....or not!!

For "Stingerr".....put things back to stock as much as possible and if your mechanic guy does'nt have any answers, then a trip to the dealer may be in order......I am sure that is the last resort but may be necessary if you want your vehicle back to top running condition. At this point, what do you have to lose??? A lighter wallet....Not pointing any fingers at you "Stingerr", but in the short time of being on the forum, I have seen this a LOT..... I too got caught up in the "tune" thing without doing any homework or asking myself: "can this be reversed if I screw it up?". After I got my car back (new engine and all), backed away from the tune game until I could educate myself as to what was actually going on with the car with/without a tune. Have a pretty good understanding of engines as I worked at TMMK building Camry/Avalon V6's but the "tuning' part was left up to the techs.......I am better for it and my "new" Stinger is running a LOT better for it......all I got....take it for what it's worth.

If you go back my original post was literally take off the lap3 and stop putting ethanol in the car.

 

[monusa]

If you go back my original post was literally take off the lap3 and stop putting ethanol in the car.

No harm, no foul

 

[ChaneRZ]

I wonder what happened to his car?

 

[monusa]

Boom....