Stinger just crushed the stock turbo record and made 490whp/574wtq on e30 without WMI

[xot1]

That’s great to hear but unless they can share dynojet results showing 500whp+ it’s just hearsay. If any of them have proof please provide it as that would be awesome to see.

I have seen several dyno sheets over 500 and I personally know some of the people but I won't post their car data, they will do it if they desire to.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

I have seen several dyno sheets over 500 and I personally know some of the people but I won't post their car data, they will do it if they desire to.

Thats a shame since you seem to be the only one sharing info from Korea. I guess we'll just have to hope someone else will provide dynojet results over 500whp, but until then 490whp/574wtq still seems to be the official record holder for stock turbo Stingers.

 

[xot1]

Whatever makes you happy

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Whatever makes you happy

Lol. Having legitimate proof that our Stingers made more than 500whp would make me happy, but so far 490whp is the best we got.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Like I said people send me stuff all the time but not really my place to share. In my experience they all make around the same power maxed out. Which ranges from 460-500whp depending on how it's measured on the dyno. I've also seen "500whp" cars run 119mph trap speeds and "460whp" cars run 121mph trap speeds. I'd take trap speeds a lot more seriously than dyno numbers if trying to compare your car to another on the internet, IMHO.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Like I said people send me stuff all the time but not really my place to share. In my experience they all make around the same power maxed out. Which ranges from 460-500whp depending on how it's measured on the dyno. I've also seen "500whp" cars run 119mph trap speeds and "460whp" cars run 121mph trap speeds. I'd take trap speeds a lot more seriously than dyno numbers if trying to compare your car to another on the internet, IMHO.

I understand and wouldn’t expect you to share customers personal information, just saying it would be awesome to show that Stingers(w/JB4) officially broke the 500whp milestone many have been waiting to break.

I agree that trap speed is a better indicator of true power, but most people are more familiar with and use whp for comparisons. Even though the 460whp car may run faster traps the 500whp car will be discussed a lot more & in turn help sell more products. Although your points are all true, it doesn’t change the fact that most people will use whp to decide on their future mods and overall bragging rights.

 

[Terry@BMS]

You can't race a dyno.

This post is a good example of why you need to take "record" dyno numbers if a grain of salt. One guy claims 490whp with his lap3 tune. Meanwhile I've seen 5 other guys since post substantially lower 440-450whp numbers on the same tune and fuel. So if you buy thinking you're going to hit 490whp you're probably going to be disappointed.

IMHO if you want to brag on the internet hit the track or at least the dragy. Dynos are for measuring before and after gains between different mods and tuning profiles.

 

[ecko04]

“Official record holder”



Because it’s posted on the internet doesn’t make it official and because it’s not on the internet doesn’t mean it didn’t/hasn’t happened.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

You can't race a dyno.

This post is a good example of why you need to take "record" dyno numbers if a grain of salt. One guy claims 490whp with his lap3 tune. Meanwhile I've seen 5 other guys since post substantially lower 440-450whp numbers on the same tune and fuel. So if you buy thinking you're going to hit 490whp you're probably going to be disappointed.

IMHO if you want to brag on the internet hit the track or at least the dragy. Dynos are for measuring before and after gains between different mods and tuning profiles.

Lol. I understand what you are saying but you’re missing the point and I’m simply trying to help you & the Stinger community as a whole.

“People in the know” like auto enthusiasts or tuners like yourself know that, but the majority of people on this forum, the internet and millions of people on social media don’t... They believe what they see whether it’s “official”, factual or unrealistic. So if one person posts a dyno showing 500whp with “xyz” tune the herds of followers will take it as truth and that info of “the most powerful tune” will be spread repeatedly.

Again I agree, but unfortunately only a tiny fraction of people go to the track or use dragys so in order to reach more people you have to play the game of the world we live in now.

We know that most Stingers with a tune & bolt-ons makes about 440-460whp on dynojets. And we know that this 490whp/574wtq result is a “kill mode” glory run because the owner admitted it up front. However this number is what is being talked about on many media sources so it is, and will continue to get all the attention.

So as an avid supporter of the JB4, all I’m saying is that it would be nice to see a 500whp dyno run so everyone can see the top numbers a JB4 Stinger is capable of hitting, even if it's only a uncommon ”glory” run.

Bottom line, in a competition nobody remembers the average results but people will always remember the best.

 

[xot1]

Even I got 487whp with my daily driver settings. I am pretty sure that if I crank up a little bit the AFR I could also make over 490, without needing to make a "kill mode"...
On the Korean forums 490whp is a nice number but nothing out of the ordinary with the adequate mods.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Lol. I understand what you are saying but you’re missing the point and I’m simply trying to help you & the Stinger community as a whole.

“People in the know” like auto enthusiasts or tuners like yourself know that, but the majority of people on this forum, the internet and millions of people on social media don’t... They believe what they see whether it’s “official”, factual or unrealistic. So if one person posts a dyno showing 500whp with “xyz” tune the herds of followers will take it as truth and that info of “the most powerful tune” will be spread repeatedly.

Again I agree, but unfortunately only a tiny fraction of people go to the track or use dragys so in order to reach more people you have to play the game of the world we live in now.

We know that most Stingers with a tune & bolt-ons makes about 440-460whp on dynojets. And we know that this 490whp/574wtq result is a “kill mode” glory run because the owner admitted it up front. However this number is what is being talked about on many media sources so it is, and will continue to get all the attention.

So as an avid supporter of the JB4, all I’m saying is that it would be nice to see a 500whp dyno run so everyone can see the top numbers a JB4 Stinger is capable of hitting, even if it's only a uncommon ”glory” run.

Bottom line, in a competition nobody remembers the average results but people will always remember the best.

No one cares about dyno runs. Why isnt your buddy with the 490 WHP stinger running draggy results? You say only a fraction of people go to the track lol what rock do you live under. Maybe thats what you think for the stinger community but slips and draggy is all that matters. Anyone can make a dyno show any pretty number they want.

 

[ecko04]

I’m one of the ones that sent my dyno graph that’s at the maximum end of Terry’s power range estimate without WMI and I refuse to post it online.

It’s meant for me to gauge the mods, not for internet fame or some faux record. I don’t race so I have no dragy or trap times to verify if the dyno is accurate.

But given how the armchair dyno operators comes out of the woodworks to dissect every aspect of the chart online, I’m refraining from posting any performance gains. I made that mistake once.

 

[Yaro]

No offense but your results are slightly low for both stock and tuned. Maybe Moscow Stingers got different ECU tuning but dozens of stock Stinger dynos in the USA show 320-340whp(380-400bhp) & 380-395wtq.

A JB4 Stinger with only intakes on 91octane made 417whp/515wtq, then 93octane+e30 made 441whp/518wtq and lastly 462whp/531wtq with WMI.

I personally know multiple JB4 Stingers that gained around 120whp/120wtq and run about 450whp/500wtq with just a few bolt-on mods. And a couple lap3 WMI Stingers that make around 480whp/530wtq. Lastly, one of the quickest WMI Stingers(11.5sec 1/4m) produced 442whp/525wtq on a Mustang dyno or about 490whp on a dynojet, and he had a JB4 with completely stock exhaust and no intercooler.

Those results are very common here, but I do agree that dynojets typically run about 10% higher than Mustang or load based dynos. Load based dynos may be more realistic, but the load can be adjusted on each dyno so dynojets are more consistent, especially for comparisons. I know different dynos with different conditions may vary significantly, but dynojets are much more widely used and is the “rule of thumb” dyno in the states.

In the end these numbers arent much different than yours and likely the extra 20-30whp is because this was a “kill mode” custom map with TDC ignition timing spoofing that added a few degrees timing advance on the first run before it was pulled on the second run.

Most Dyno numbers are made in dynojet which is really strange Dyno. It shows 10% more the mustang or superflow. So 320 hp on dynojet is approximately 350hp on our Dyno at the flywheel.

 

[xot1]

Most Dyno numbers are made in dynojet which is really strange Dyno. It shows 10% more the mustang or superflow. So 320 hp on dynojet is approximately 350hp on our Dyno at the flywheel.

If compairing dynos with other car owners, accurate or not, it is best to use the system that most of the people use in that particular car's community. In the Stinger case, that is Dynojet.
If you don't compare with others, you can use whatever dyno, as you just need to compare different configurations when doing mods.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

I’ll respond to everyone together so this will be a long post.

Even I got 487whp with my daily driver settings. I am pretty sure that if I crank up a little bit the AFR I could also make over 490, without needing to make a "kill mode"...
On the Korean forums 490whp is a nice number but nothing out of the ordinary with the adequate mods.

Very impressive and believe it’s the best I’ve seen for a JB4 Stinger. However, most of those Stingers in the 490whp range are FBO and using WMI which is good for another 20-40whp. Most I’ve seen without WMI is 457whp but he did 490whp/574wtq on e30 only. Also I was really talking about the stock turbo record in general, not his dyno run specifically. 490whp seems to be the highest posted results with or without WMI for our Stingers, but good to see you got close to that number too.

No one cares about dyno runs. Why isnt your buddy with the 490 WHP stinger running draggy results? You say only a fraction of people go to the track lol what rock do you live under. Maybe thats what you think for the stinger community but slips and draggy is all that matters. Anyone can make a dyno show any pretty number they want.

Not sure what planet your on but HP/TQ results are the most widely used comparison for vehicles. There’s a reason all manufactures post HP/TQ results and only a few even provide 0-60 or 1/4m figures. Way too many variables affect those results(DA, weather, traction,etc) and one vehicle making 500hp can be slower than a 400hp car for ton of reasons. Most people nowadays trust and compare STD Dynojet results, because it’s the universal “standard” and used across the world.

Track/dragy results are nice for those that have the most ideal conditions, but everyone knows a prepped surface in FL cannot be compared to a lousy street in the high elevation mountains of Canada. And to answer your question, traction is why my buddy doesn’t use or care about track/draggy results. Too much power for street tires and isn’t taking the chance of hurting his drivetrain by using drag radials just to get a number someone might beat simply because they have better conditions...

Bottom line, the most recognizable & easily comparable results we can use and discuss are the highest HP/TQ dynojet numbers from each vehicle. Since more people seem to be comparing dyno results and that’s getting more popular across the internet & social media I think it would be best to evolve and follow the current trend is all I’m saying. Yes it may be for bragging rights, but better numbers will only help progress our Stingers to the international stage and get more people interested in our cars.

I’m one of the ones that sent my dyno graph that’s at the maximum end of Terry’s power range estimate without WMI and I refuse to post it online.

It’s meant for me to gauge the mods, not for internet fame or some faux record. I don’t race so I have no dragy or trap times to verify if the dyno is accurate.

But given how the armchair dyno operators comes out of the woodworks to dissect every aspect of the chart online, I’m refraining from posting any performance gains. I made that mistake once.

Sorry to hear that you won’t share something to help our community and progress the Stinger platform just because you’re worried about what others might say. Welcome to the internet. Lol

As I’ve said before, I agree dynos are mainly used to show power gains for mods on individual cars. However, those results arent faux records, they are real records showing the best results people can prove to everyone else that cares to see them. And in today’s social media and networked world that’s basically all that matters, whether we like it or not.

 

[xot1]

I’ll respond to everyone together so this will be a long post.

Very impressive and believe it’s the best I’ve seen for a JB4 Stinger. However, most of those Stingers in the 490whp range are FBO and using WMI which is good for another 20-40whp. Most I’ve seen without WMI is 457whp but he did 490whp/574wtq on e30 only. Also I was really talking about the stock turbo record in general, not his dyno run specifically. 490whp seems to be the highest posted results with or without WMI for our Stingers, but good to see you got close to that number too.

Not sure what planet your on but HP/TQ results are the most widely used comparison for vehicles. There’s a reason all manufactures post HP/TQ results and only a few even provide 0-60 or 1/4m figures. Way too many variables affect those results(DA, weather, traction,etc) and one vehicle making 500hp can be slower than a 400hp car for ton of reasons. Most people nowadays trust and compare STD Dynojet results, because it’s the universal “standard” and used across the world.

Track/dragy results are nice for those that have the most ideal conditions, but everyone knows a prepped surface in FL cannot be compared to a lousy street in the high elevation mountains of Canada. And to answer your question, traction is why my buddy doesn’t use or care about track/draggy results. Too much power for street tires and isn’t taking the chance of hurting his drivetrain by using drag radials just to get a number someone might beat simply because they have better conditions...

Bottom line, the most recognizable & easily comparable results we can use and discuss are the highest HP/TQ dynojet numbers from each vehicle. Since more people seem to be comparing dyno results and that’s getting more popular across the internet & social media I think it would be best to evolve and follow the current trend is all I’m saying. Yes it may be for bragging rights, but better numbers will only help progress our Stingers to the international stage and get more people interested in our cars.

Sorry to hear that you won’t share something to help our community and progress the Stinger platform just because you’re worried about what others might say. Welcome to the internet. Lol

As I’ve said before, I agree dynos are mainly used to show power gains for mods on individual cars. However, those results arent faux records, they are real records showing the best results people can prove to everyone else that cares to see them. And in today’s social media and networked world that’s basically all that matters, whether we like it or not.

I am very sorry to say that but reading you feels like talking with a child. Despite a bunch of people (including very knowledgeable ones) telling you this isn't true, you've repeated like 10 times in this thread that 490 is the standing record. Over here, nobody would think of it as a "number to beat". It is actually very easy to find dyno sheets showing over 490...

I won't share any recent graph because people will blame me for doing so but here you go.

Dyno from 10 months ago, JB4 stinger :



Can we end this debate?

 

[ecko04]

Sorry to hear that you won’t share something to help our community and progress the Stinger platform just because you’re worried about what others might say. Welcome to the internet. Lol

Maybe for people who believe everything they see/read on the internet and social media, but for those of us operating in the physical world, the opinions of keyboard warriors and armchair dyno operators don’t matter nor do faux records on a forum.

Stinger sales and aftermarket development will not spike because of a dyno chart posted online.

 

[Yaro]

If compairing dynos with other car owners, accurate or not, it is best to use the system that most of the people use in that particular car's community. In the Stinger case, that is Dynojet.
If you don't compare with others, you can use whatever dyno, as you just need to compare different configurations when doing mods.

M8, I come from evo community originally. And always people quoted dynojet or mustang whp. Everybody knew that dynojet shows more whp then mustang.

I don't have a clue why you use cheapest Dyno on Earth in Korea, I mean dynojet.

All I am saying, that I compared dynojet and superflow / Maha / VTech . And 400whp on dynojet is approximately 440-450 hp on the flywheel of those dynos. I compared personally dynojet vs those.

People here measured stock cars on dynojet and you get 320whp, we get 358hp on the flywheel on 100 octane or 331 on 95 octane.

P.s. but personally I don't believe in 507 whp even on dunojet on stock turbos on normal fuel.

 

[xot1]

M8, I come from evo community originally. And always people quoted dynojet or mustang whp. Everybody knew that dynojet shows more whp then mustang.

I don't have a clue why you use cheapest Dyno on Earth in Korea, I mean dynojet.

All I am saying, that I compared dynojet and superflow / Maha / VTech . And 400whp on dynojet is approximately 440hp on the flywheel of those dynos.

Most shops here have either Dynojet or Dynocom. I haven't seen the other brands you mentioned. It is probably a question of cost and availability.

 

[Yaro]

Most shops here have either Dynojet or Dynocom. I haven't seen the other brands you mentioned. It is probably a question of cost and availability.

Dynojet cannot calculate whp to hp using transmission losses, It cannot brake the car in needed points and etc. But it is cheaper.