Stinger JB4 Pure Hybrid Turbo Testing

[Sales@Tork]

Big turbo, my bad and sorry non John lol

And your sure it isnt running meth as well? facts man they help

 

[Luciddream71]

So anyway, yes, turbo upgrade, 93 octane, 14 psi, lap3 makes 520whp and that powerband is far better than that seizuring jb4 one that needs to use 10 more psi. Terry needs to stop posting falsities about Lap3 being behind the times or whatever his words were.

And your sure it isnt running meth as well? facts man they help

I posted the facts with the pic.

 

[Sales@Tork]

I posted the facts with the pic.

You also posted that it was a stuffed turbo then found out it was big turbo... Can you provide a link to where your getting your info? Like stated I havent seen them run any of their higher power cars o just 93 octane everything has had meth added.

NVM I found the post 520 was pump and 620 was with methanol.

 

[Michael Locke]

I was reading on this thread someone speaking of a lack of consistency with lap3 dyno in korea vs. a 3rd party here. Well, lemme see what I can find real quick...

Here's my pulls, mode 2, 19psi, E30, intake and sparkplugs.

Then there's 4 other stingers, all same mods, all between 425-435hp.

Alllllll the way on the other side of the world and would you look at that shit.

 

[Sales@Tork]

But yes I will agree the LAP3 run is much cleaner the the JB4

 

[Luciddream71]

NVM I found the post 520 was pump and 620 was with methanol.

Yeah, 520 pump at 14 psi; 620 with meth and 21 psi

 

[Michael Locke]

And as far as using a ProTuner to control boost, that brilliant! You flash the ECU tune then switch maps for more boost depending on fuel available or intentions. Like a Bluetooth controller for boost.

Yeah, there guys are really behind!

 

[KLR STINGER]

And as far as using a ProTuner to control boost, that brilliant! You flash the ECU tune then switch maps for more boost depending on fuel available or intentions. Like a Bluetooth controller for boost.

Yeah, there guys are really behind!

That has literally been BMS model for a decade. Back end Flash and JB4 for boost and fuel control.

Yeah, 520 pump at 14 psi; 620 with meth and 21 psi

You cannot compare stock frame turbo boost pressure vs larger frame replacements. Lb/min or CFM Is of airflow is all that matters. Making more power is moving more air. Period.

 

[Terry@BMS]

And here’s a dyno from JB4 having to use much more boost and race gas and meth
Facts

1) You are comparing Pure hybrid turbos that look 100% factory and use the factory electronic wastegates to the full aftermarket Lap3 turbo kit that uses traditional pneumatic wastegates.

2) The Pure dyno compared to stock turbos at around 23psi is in the first post. FFP took a few runs on a dynojet with similar tuning but it was a newly installed machine that isn't setup properly yet, couldn't load the drum, and the result was a wonky oscillation in the readings.

3) It's still early days for tuning on the Pure hybrid turbos, they haven't even flashed the ECU yet. I'm confident they will produce a solid 550whp with excellent boost response and a factory looking engine bay. Maybe more.

4) It seems you're offended I pointed out that with the Lap aftermarket turbo system they abandoned their Lap3-Pro tuner in favor of a traditional electronic boost controller. The JB4 can accomidate both the factory EWG control system & traditional PWG control system. Just one of the many reasons I continue to point out the JB4 is a more advanced and developed tuning system than the Lap3-Pro.

 

[Terry@BMS]

I was reading on this thread someone speaking of a lack of consistency with lap3 dyno in korea vs. a 3rd party here. Well, lemme see what I can find real quick...

They are also testing on their own dyno so until their customers are making it on 3rd party dynos, who really knows. As far as I know no lap3 customer ever matched their previous 480whp "record" dyno. That's why we always rent the independent dyno at Specialty-Z. It's widely used by many tuners around here.

Thanks for the assist. I really didn't have the energy to go round up all the Lap3-Pro customer dynos posted to show how none of them have ever sniffed the 480whp "record" Lap claims.

 

[Luciddream71]

So, first of all I'm not offended. I want the facts out in the open as they stand as you are spreading lies about what the Lap3 Pro Tuner can and cannot due-with no experience using it- and also spreading rhetoric about the pro tuner being light years behind JB4, again with no evidence.

Consistently, people with the 93 tune (and only 93) have been in the 420-430 range as evidenced by the dynos posted.
The 480 plus is on meth and primary downpipes removed with the pro tuner, as evidenced by the posts from Lap3 on Facebook and even here on the Stingerforum.
Also, on facebook, as evidenced by their posts, you can see the 490whp dyno with meth on their ecu tune.

What else is clear is your inconsistency with tuning: Yes, JB4 may have "logging" capabilities and "boost by gear" options; however, if you see the graph I posted of YOUR tune and any other graph of YOUR tune, they are shaky and don't look smooth whatsoever. Why would anyone want a shaky knocking tune when using regualr pump gas. Do you see Lap3 customers complaining about knock or shaky dyno graphs on pump gas? No.

PLUS Lap3 customers have provided more dynos and transparency than any of your customers have. Do your customers have to hide behind you?

These are yours...where do you see pump files on YOUR tune being better than Lap3? Do you have any others?

Oh yeah, here's your far beyond lap3 awesome tuning

Look how shaky and inconsistent power delivery is...Sure you have more options like logging, but I would never want THAT to be my car.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Various regurgitated vitriol

Clearly you are a plant. I know English isn't your first language but if you read again carefully most of your post was already addressed here: Stinger JB4 Pure Hybrid Turbo Testing

Regarding what you think is better tuning, since Lap3-Pro customers can't log anything from their cars, they have absolutely no idea how they are really running. Probably why you're working so hard to proactively convince them that they are running great. Meanwhile the JB4 provides insight in to every aspect of engine tuning including boost control, throttle control, ignition advance and timing drops in ALL SIX CYLINDERS, air/fuel ratios and fuel trims in both banks, fuel pressure (which, becomes a limiting factor with larger turbos), methanol system flow, and we can layer in safety systems based around these parameters that are running full time in the background.

Furthermore the tuning strategies implemented by the JB4 are more advanced with the dual bank PID based fuel control, IAT spoofing, boost by gear, and integrated WMI progressive mapping being just four simple examples of that. And we're just getting started. Meanwhile you've abandoned your Lap3-Pro development in favor of flash tuning now as evidenced by the fact that you didn't even bother to post about Lap3-Pro with your flash tuning update. I feel a little sorry for your customers who sunk $1k in to what was already behind from the start and now has little chance of catching up IMHO.

In terms of the flash tuning it's early days, DAMOS files are starting to flow around, and I'm sure we'll see a lot more coming out from various tuners soon. For those JB4 customers who make the decision to flash we'll be here to support them with advanced logging, safety, boost targeting, and other features that will greatly benefit them. And for those JB4 customers who decide not to flash they can rest assured they're running the most advanced and highly developed tuning system available for the Stinger.

 

[KLR STINGER]

@Luciddream71
Pardon me for saying this, but you don't know the difference between comparing completely different types of turbo setups based soley on PSI as a comparative, you certainly don't have any idea how dyno's and loading work with respect comparing the "smoothness" of the the lines, and obviously have no idea how piggy back or ECUS tunes work. All that to say your opinion is meaningless. But thanks for adding to the fanboy club wars.

 

[brancky3]

What else is clear is your inconsistency with tuning: Yes, JB4 may have "logging" capabilities and "boost by gear" options; however, if you see the graph I posted of YOUR tune and any other graph of YOUR tune, they are shaky and don't look smooth whatsoever. Why would anyone want a shaky knocking tune when using regualr pump gas. Do you see Lap3 customers complaining about knock or shaky dyno graphs on pump gas? No.

How can you say that the JB4 dyno is 'shaky' when the stock line ON THE SAME GRAPH is just as 'shaky'?

 

[Terry@BMS]

How can you say that the JB4 dyno is 'shaky' when the stock line ON THE SAME GRAPH is just as 'shaky'?

When you don't have the proper logging tools built in to your tuner to automatically record boost, timing, knock, air/fuel, fuel trims, throttle, etc, during your dyno runs, you are forced to "invent" some other way to judge them. It's a bit ironic that three posts above they shared a "shaky" E85 Lap3Pro customer run. No doubt "major knock" right? lol

 

[Luciddream71]

English isn’t my first language? Lol it’s called autocorrect on my phone, too bad Terry. Try again. Do you know how to argue with facts or are ad hominems your only go to? Wait, sorry let me speak plainly for your plebeian mind. Have fun with your antediluvian product!

 

[Terry@BMS]

English isn’t my first language? Lol it’s called autocorrect on my phone, too bad Terry. Try again. Do you know how to argue with facts or are ad hominems your only go to? Wait, sorry let me speak plainly for your mind. Have fun with your antediluvian product!

So given the total annihilation of all of your "points" in the handful of replies above, including detailed specifics, your only reply now is to make an ad hominem argument against us that we're making ad hominem arguments against you? lol

 

[Luciddream71]

So given the total annihilation of all of your "points" in the handful of replies above, including detailed specifics, your only reply now is to make an ad hominem argument against us that we're making ad hominem arguments against you? lol

Not sure where you see the annihilation. I clearly posted dyno graphs showing that Lap3 isn't inferior. Otherwise, what is there to argue? As a user, I don't care for logging-unless I feel some inadequacy with the product I'm using, which I don't. Why would I be concerned with that since the pro tuner has had extensive R&D. Only time I ever used any logging was on the Audi platform, when I was switching out fuel pumps, running 40% ethanol, larger crank pulleys, what have you: It was necessary as tuning those types of modifications required monitoring with VCDS. I'd be scared to have to log in a simple tune...

Regardless, I saw all your dynos and Lap3s, and I went with the tuner that showed me their worth. At this point, you haven't. And more people are seeing Lap3s Quality in the states.

 

[brancky3]

Regardless, I saw all your dynos and Lap3s, and I went with the tuner that showed me their worth. At this point, you haven't. And more people are seeing Lap3s Quality in the states.

Just curious, what 'worth' did you see that justifies a $600 higher price tag? I've never driven a Lap3 car but objectively they are slower than comparable JB4 cars.

 

[Luciddream71]

Just curious, what 'worth' did you see that justifies a $600 higher price tag? I've never driven a Lap3 car but objectively they are slower than comparable JB4 cars.

I'm familiar with their work in the KDM industry-Sonata/Optima Platforms, they tune Audi, KDM, BMW, Nissan. Their history in Korea is insane. And I've driven plenty of their canned tunes, and fully built motors. They've engineered and built Supercars and work extensively with Hyundai on their tunes...the history speaks for itself. That's what I see in them. But, all that may not be important for others. And yes, their product is more expensive, I won't argue that, but to me, I trust the quality of the work and will pay the price.