Stinger JB4 Pure Hybrid Turbo Testing

[TwinSnails]

@Crewdawg130 good job in such a short time frame. The TCU end should be huge with the pure turbos.

 

[TwinSnails]

Lol it’s black for a reason ..... buahbhhhhhhh....

Yeah, I like the hobbyist thought.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

I can’t sorry ... it’s a secret ... you need to find that out yourself lol .... lol I am joking .... seems like crew dog caught your attention ..

It caught my attention too until it became apparent its just generic mapping from a tuning software. Its also missing a bunch of important maps that Tork posted in his pictures.

The blacked out pictures was useless as Tork just posted the clear picture of the Map definitions.

 

[Crewdawg130]

It caught my attention too until it seem apparent its a generic mapping from a tuning software. Its also missing a bunch of important maps that Tork posted in his pictures.

The blacked out pictures was useless as Tork just posted the clear picture of the Map definitions.

Look at the title on the definition that I posted

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Look at the title on the definition that I posted

I see it. Is this not just the generic mapping you can buy from titanium that Tork and KLR mentioned?

 

[Crewdawg130]

I see it. Is this not just the generic mapping you can buy from titanium that a Tork and KLR mentioned?

No sir. If it was the generic you mention then Tork would be the same or more developed, correct?

 

[Crewdawg130]

@Crewdawg130 good job in such a short time frame. The TCU end should be huge with the pure turbos.

We’ve been at it since August last year . I didn’t even own a stinger yet lol

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

No sir. If it was the generic you mention then Tork would be the same or more developed, correct?

So the picture you posted isnt the same one that Tork posted of what he pulled from titanium? They look simular.

Index you posted:

Index Tork pulled from titanium and posted:

 

[KLR STINGER]

The one CD posted and the one torq posted are indeed different. The black out is the address and scalar of the map table. That's the secret sauce. would be great if they collaborated and made the most of each others work in my opinion.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

The one CD posted and the one torq posted are indeed different. The black out is the address and scalar of the map table. That's the secret sauce. would be great if they collaborated and made the most of each others work in my opinion.

Got ya. They looked the same to me just different placements of the index. Thanks for clearing it up.

 

[Sales@Tork]

I can’t sorry ... it’s a secret ... you need to find that out yourself lol .... lol I am joking .... seems like crew dog caught your attention ..

Theres a reason we are curious because not even LAP3 can flash the TCU yet

 

[Sales@Tork]

We’ve been at it since August last year . I didn’t even own a stinger yet lol

Wait so you have been at this since August and this is all you have?

 

[Crewdawg130]

There’s literally no reason to mess with the tcu unless changing pressure. You can mess with shifts and launch control in the ecu. The reason we dove in the TCU is because, like I mentioned before, we’re going to start testing a converter and valve body.

 

[Crewdawg130]

Wait so you have been at this since August and this is all you have?

It’s a hobby

 

[Crewdawg130]

I bought the car mid November. 2 weeks later ran the 12.07 on pump with the mods on my sig. Found a boost leak and thats why we didnt see 11s that day. That same day made the deal with Pure and here we are. Having fun and trying to help evolve our platform.

Im not here to make money, if anything some other people will profit from all this. And im not chasing numbers or anyone. We’re just doing what we want to do

 

[Terry@BMS]

I see it. Is this not just the generic mapping you can buy from titanium that Tork and KLR mentioned?

That's all any flash tuner buys, a definition file with table addresses and poorly translated descriptions for the ROM version. Then the tuner changes the values in the tables to perform the tuning. It's really not rocket science to those who are in the industry. There is a trend among "some" flash tuners to make the process seem more complicated and involved than it is so they can charge more for their services and/or impress their customers.

 

[TorkMe]

That's all any flash tuner buys, a definition file with table addresses and poorly translated descriptions for the ROM version. Then the tuner changes the values in the tables to perform the tuning. It's really not rocket science to those who are in the industry. There is a trend among "some" flash tuners to make the process seem more complicated and involved than it is so they can charge more for their services and/or impress their customers.

This is the non turbo 3.3 GDI map index, 23,000 + maps (attached image). I have heard rumors that the DAMOS for the 3.3TT version is pushing close to 60k maps.

Now, a properly translated and description index with notes, costs a lot of money, I own about a dozen of them for the different markets that we tune in. I am laughing at the "rocket science" comment, because... if it were so easy, you would already have a BEF and wouldn't have to steal other company's hard work (like I have posted about many times now).

The biggest issue I have is, the trend that tuners who use street tuning to validate "claims" of said tune. Without the dyno to confirm back to back timed runs, HP and TQ curves, and testing run out and fade out conditions for torque, horsepower, boost, shift timing, air temp safety, cat temp safety, turbine temp safety, ect.... the street tuning sessions simply will not show those gains, losses or other problems.

They don't charge more for the service or attempt to impress the consumer base with the complicated process. They charge more for the proper testing and the results generated by said proper mapping/tuning.

I could sell a box for $199 very similar to the JB4, actually had someone contact me about it (one of your suppliers). I declined because I do not believe in taking money from a customer in a product I don't believe in.

Look at the move LAP3 just made with their tune, moving away from a piggy back... and made considerably more power. If ECU tuning were so easy as you make it out to be... curious why you don't develop your own BEF to compliment the JB4 in all the markets you support?

 

[Terry@BMS]

This is the non turbo 3.3 GDI map index, 23,000 + maps (attached image). I have heard rumors that the DAMOS for the 3.3TT version is pushing close to 60k maps.

Look at the move LAP3 just made with their tune, moving away from a piggy back... and made considerably more power. If ECU tuning were so easy as you make it out to be... curious why you don't develop your own BEF to compliment the JB4 in all the markets you support?

20,000 tables. lol right. There are a few hundred relevant tables and only maybe 30 of those you need to change for tuning. Load target, base ignition, base lambda target, a handful of modifiers, and a handful of limiter tables you need to raise the values on. It's really not rocket science.

As to why we don't "sell" flash maps it's because we're in the tuning system business. Those flash maps we release are to support/improve the JB4's operation. When we work them up we post them free for use to all of our JB4 customers. At some point when the cars get older and flashing becomes more popular, we'll release free back end support flash maps. The Stinger market just isn't there yet for us to justify the time involved.

Regarding making your own JB4, I think it's a great idea. There is no shortage of "similar looking" tuning systems out like RaceChip, TMC, VR, AFE Scortcher, Unichip, Uncle, Lap-Pro etc, etc. But there is only one JB4. None of the others can match what we offer especially not at the price point. Even Lap-Pro is giving up on their $1000 system now in favor of flash tuning because they can't compete with the JB4.

 

[TorkMe]

20,000 tables. lol right. There are a few hundred relevant tables and only maybe 30 of those you need to change for tuning. Load target, base ignition, base lambda target, a handful of modifiers, and a handful of limiter tables you need to raise the values on. It's really not rocket science.

As to why we don't "sell" flash maps it's because we're in the tuning system business. Those flash maps we release are to support/improve the JB4's operation. When we work them up we post them free for use to all of our JB4 customers. At some point when the cars get older and flashing becomes more popular, we'll release free back end support flash maps. The Stinger market just isn't there yet for us to justify the time involved.

Regarding making your own JB4, I think it's a great idea. There is no shortage of "similar looking" tuning systems out like RaceChip, TMC, VR, AFE Scortcher, Unichip, Uncle, Lap-Pro etc, etc. But there is only one JB4. None of the others can match what we offer especially not at the price point. Even Lap-Pro is giving up on their $1000 system now in favor of flash tuning because they can't compete with the JB4.

Do you think I am lying Terry? I agree, there are a few 100 relevant tables, there are considerably more than 30 maps we are changing. Last time I checked, we were making 96 ignition map changes to our Stage 2 Beta tune... that is just ignition. What do you do about the x and y axis tables that limit RPM, load, boost, timing, temp, ect? What do you do about transfer file index and priority limits? Torque, Air Mass, Turbo Speeds, Turbo Safety Limits, ect? We have not even got into turning off codes for decat, or removing OSC limits for oxygen storage limits for cat pre-heat.

Now, lets not even talk about the mean cylinder pressure limits, acceleration limits, vehicle mass, flywheel mass, top speed, RPM limits (soft, hard, stationary, park/neutral, coolant temp, oil temp, ect) and everything that goes into making a "proper tune".

A buddy of mine tunes the R8, RS7 and a few of the other higher end Audi's... to change idle parameters for the V10 inside the new Audi ECU, 400 maps needed to be changed.

I don't remember asking you why you don't sell them, I ask why you don't develop them... "if it were so easy and not rocket science". Big difference between selling, stealing, and developing your own tune.

Again, missing the point but my next comment is going to drive my point home. The JB4 offers a great value in what it does... but, no such a great value, as we have seen if you decide to put bigger turbos on your Stinger LAP3 figured this, I knew this from the beginning, hence... we only offer a flash tune. Maybe you will get lucky, and find a tune not encrypted so you can steal it, and offer it for free. That my friend, is not tuning... that is stealing the hard work of others, to profit for yourself.

 

[brancky3]

Look at the move LAP3 just made with their tune, moving away from a piggy back... and made considerably more power.

Lap3 made 10whp more with their ECU than their previous "record" with their piggyback . Oh, and their ECU is running 21psi, WMI, primary cat deletes... Pretty sure Terry made 470whp? with fully stock exhaust, ~17-18psi, and WMI. They're not a good example of why moving to an ECU over a piggyback is a good idea. I'll be more impressed when you can come close to Terry's trap speed