New Stinger Recall

[Oglar100]

Same thing happened to me. I’m waiting for my second visit now. At my fist visit, after leaving it there half a day, when service called me to say car was “ready” for pickup, he told me it was a “2 part recall”, the first part was an “inspection”. I think they messed up and thought they could order the part at the last minute on the day I brought my car in, and realized that it is not as simple as that for this recall (they associate each VIN to the recall kit).

Same thing happened to me, I was a little pissed off because I called to confirm the day before that they had all the parts.

 

[MrPapsman]

Same thing happened to me, I was a little pissed off because I called to confirm the day before that they had all the parts.

Same here.....

And then they cancelled last minute due to their computers being down.

 

[sparx]

Today we received the recall notice for my wife's 2018 Stinger. I thought this recall did not pertain to 2018 Stingers?

Her car is a gt1.

I read most of this thread and watched the excellent video posted to show the important details of this repair.
It was posted just after the video back in the thread: "Why doesn't KIA replace the fuse bank unit with a new part having 25 amp fuses in place of the over size 40 amp fuses?" This makes much more sense to me than this repair.

I have to agree with Stock Stinger, that the butt splice connectors provided by KIA (aluminum) are pure garbage and agree with the substitution of quality butt splice parts. In addition it seems KIA engineering has a real problem with over current protection of wiring, as was also pointed out in the video. I am very concerned about the underlying issues in this case.

This Stinger is a leased car, comes up in 30 days or so, my wife wants to buy it, has 13K miles on it. But with the concerns I read posted in this thread I really don't believe that to be a wise plan.

I am a retired electrical contractor, from the Chicago land area, KIA don't know their chit.

Sparx

 

[SKStinger]

Today we received the recall notice for my wife's 2018 Stinger. I thought this recall did not pertain to 2018 Stingers?

Her car is a gt1.

I read most of this thread and watched the excellent video posted to show the important details of this repair.
It was posted just after the video back in the thread: "Why doesn't KIA replace the fuse bank unit with a new part having 25 amp fuses in place of the over size 40 amp fuses?" This makes much more sense to me than this repair.

I have to agree with Stock Stinger, that the butt splice connectors provided by KIA (aluminum) are pure garbage and agree with the substitution of quality butt splice parts. In addition it seems KIA engineering has a real problem with over current protection of wiring, as was also pointed out in the video. I am very concerned about the underlying issues in this case.

This Stinger is a leased car, comes up in 30 days or so, my wife wants to buy it, has 13K miles on it. But with the concerns I read posted in this thread I really don't believe that to be a wise plan.

I am a retired electrical contractor, from the Chicago land area, KIA don't know their chit.

Sparx

That was me that asked that and I still think that would be the least intrusive fix. Especially now that this recall has been extended to 2018-2021 cars.

The interesting nuance in the letters being sent now is they specify cars without SCC (smart cruise). The original letters for all the 2019 3.3 cars did not say that. So now it begs the question, was this fix necessary on the 2019 cars with SCC? Every fire I’ve read about was on a GT or GT1 trim without SCC.

 

[sparx]

SKStinger,

You asked the perfect question. I have been thinking about this recall procedure of Kia's this evening after reading the thread and watching the video and it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to use this procedure.
Unless....
Kia is doing a CYA, using a very blatant repair to show their intent in correcting the fire hazard, oh and the huge mistake of over fusing a circuit. Anyone smell lawyers?

What concerns me the most about this issue is what happens if this control module fails after drawing too much current?

I am exteremely unimpressed with KIA engineering, both in the design and in the (supposed) correction of this issue.

sparx

 

[SKStinger]

SKStinger,

You asked the perfect question. I have been thinking about this recall procedure of Kia's this evening after reading the thread and watching the video and it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to use this procedure.
Unless....
Kia is doing a CYA, using a very blatant repair to show their intent in correcting the fire hazard, oh and the huge mistake of over fusing a circuit. Anyone smell lawyers?

What concerns me the most about this issue is what happens if this control module fails after drawing too much current?

I am exteremely unimpressed with KIA engineering, both in the design and in the (supposed) correction of this issue.

sparx

Absolutely. Kia and Hyundai are in hot water already with the safety commissions with these fire hazards and have already been fined millions for it. It makes complete sense that it is in their best interest to impose a “fix” that looks deliberate, even though it only costs them pennies to manufacture and their dealer network and customers suffer for a ridiculous overly intrusive installation that can have serious ramifications if done incorrectly.

What’s also interesting is the new 2022 facelift Stinger is still using the same multi fuse. They’ve applied the recall fix and added the 25a fuses to the box.

 

[Northern NY Stinger]

I received the NHTSA 20v-518 recall today in a notice dated 2/25/21. I have a 2019 2.0T, so thought I wasn't involved. This recall covers "certain 2018-2021 MY Kia Stinger Vehicles not equipped with the Smart Cruise Control". KMA is casting its recall net ever wider.

 

[MerlintheMad]

I received the NHTSA 20v-518 recall today in a notice dated 2/25/21. I have a 2019 2.0T, so thought I wasn't involved. This recall covers "certain 2018-2021 MY Kia Stinger Vehicles not equipped with the Smart Cruise Control". KMA (Kia Motors America) is casting its recall net ever wider.

And on that crappy note, welcome to the forum. Hah.

 

[Northern NY Stinger]

Thanks, I actually was enjoying what I thought was a trouble free ride from October '19 until this evening. Left behind a '15 WRX for this....

 

[sparx]

Quoted from SKStinger:
Absolutely. Kia and Hyundai are in hot water already with the safety commissions with these fire hazards and have already been fined millions for it. It makes complete sense that it is in their best interest to impose a “fix” that looks deliberate, even though it only costs them pennies to manufacture and their dealer network and customers suffer for a ridiculous overly intrusive installation that can have serious ramifications if done incorrectly.

What’s also interesting is the new 2022 facelift Stinger is still using the same multi fuse. They’ve applied the recall fix and added the 25a fuses to the box.

So are you saying KIA did NOT rework the mutifuse stick, replacing the 2 40 amp links with 25 amp links, and did this idiotic recall fix to the new 2022 Stingers?

 

[SKStinger]

Quoted from SKStinger:
Absolutely. Kia and Hyundai are in hot water already with the safety commissions with these fire hazards and have already been fined millions for it. It makes complete sense that it is in their best interest to impose a “fix” that looks deliberate, even though it only costs them pennies to manufacture and their dealer network and customers suffer for a ridiculous overly intrusive installation that can have serious ramifications if done incorrectly.

What’s also interesting is the new 2022 facelift Stinger is still using the same multi fuse. They’ve applied the recall fix and added the 25a fuses to the box.

So are you saying KIA did NOT rework the mutifuse stick, replacing the 2 40 amp links with 25 amp links, and did this idiotic recall fix to the new 2022 Stingers?

They did not replace the multifuse. They applied the wire splice/new 25 amp fuse fix that they're currently doing to cars in production.

 

[rpoffen]

Today we received the recall notice for my wife's 2018 Stinger. I thought this recall did not pertain to 2018 Stingers?

Her car is a gt1.

I read most of this thread and watched the excellent video posted to show the important details of this repair.
It was posted just after the video back in the thread: "Why doesn't KIA replace the fuse bank unit with a new part having 25 amp fuses in place of the over size 40 amp fuses?" This makes much more sense to me than this repair.

My guess is that the government may have had something to do with it. They may not have "approved" the fix unless it was more obvious. Just changing the multi-fuse with something that looks almost exactly the same makes it too easy for someone to put the old 40A version back in if the 25A one blows, and basically undo the recall leaving it vulnerable to a fire.
It is also possible that this fix in the long run may be cheaper (at least parts wise), looking on ebay and such, the multifuse goes for about $25, but from what I understand the recall parts kit is less than $10. In addition, they may not have a multifuse with the right amperages readily available and would have to design or tool a new one. Then it makes it different than what they use in many other vehicle applications and creates an inventory issue.

 

[sparx]

(response to SKStinger's comment above)
WOW!
How ridiculous is that?
How hard could it be to rework and produce the fuse strip? Maybe they have a large inventory of them and need to use them up, or maybe Covid has the supply chain bogged down?

Now a person can see how these fuse strips/bars whatever you prefer to call them can restrict options. If individual fuses were used in the first place the fix would take 5 minutes. I wonder if this fuse bar design is result of a vehicle production improvement?
sparx

 

[sparx]

One thing I need to do now is educate myself more on what this control does. If my wife has car trouble or get stranded or whatever it will effect me as well, that's just the way it works!

If my wife decides this is the car she is going to keep (buy), athen certainly we need to get the extended warranty for the entire car. I don't even know if the 100K drive train warranty transfers if a person buys a car they leased from new for 3 years?

When my Ford was coming off lease last fall I was dead set on a KIA or Hyundai, and even considered a used model, but after discovering the 100K warranty does not transfer over to 2nd owners used was a definite NO!

I ended up purchasing my (also leased) Ford, and I am really glad I made that choice after this incident came to light.

sparx

 

[David Truax]

One thing I need to do now is educate myself more on what this control does. If my wife has car trouble or get stranded or whatever it will effect me as well, that's just the way it works!

If my wife decides this is the car she is going to keep (buy), athen certainly we need to get the extended warranty for the entire car. I don't even know if the 100K drive train warranty transfers if a person buys a car they leased from new for 3 years?

When my Ford was coming off lease last fall I was dead set on a KIA or Hyundai, and even considered a used model, but after discovering the 100K warranty does not transfer over to 2nd owners used was a definite NO!

I ended up purchasing my (also leased) Ford, and I am really glad I made that choice after this incident came to light.

sparx

It basically controls the brakes with the traction control, smart cruise control, etc.

 

[SKStinger]

My guess is that the government may have had something to do with it. They may not have "approved" the fix unless it was more obvious. Just changing the multi-fuse with something that looks almost exactly the same makes it too easy for someone to put the old 40A version back in if the 25A one blows, and basically undo the recall leaving it vulnerable to a fire.
It is also possible that this fix in the long run may be cheaper (at least parts wise), looking on ebay and such, the multifuse goes for about $25, but from what I understand the recall parts kit is less than $10. In addition, they may not have a multifuse with the right amperages readily available and would have to design or tool a new one. Then it makes it different than what they use in many other vehicle applications and creates an inventory issue.

Yeah similar to what I said above. The shitty part is the other fix is more intrusive, takes up more of the customers time and has the potential to cause other problems if the Dealer F's it up.

 

[rpoffen]

It basically controls the brakes with the traction control, smart cruise control, etc.

I imagine anything that supports applying the brakes autonomously, in addition to what David said there is auto-hold and forward collision avoidance braking, If your car has any of these, then I imagine it has the HECU.

 

[sparx]

I imagine anything that supports applying the brakes autonomously, in addition to what David said there is auto-hold and forward collision avoidance braking, If your car has any of these, then I imagine it has the HECU.

NO, our Stinger does not have any of these things?
Help me out here, a little confused...
sparx

 

[sparx]

Yeah similar to what I said above. The shitty part is the other fix is more intrusive, takes up more of the customers time and has the potential to cause other problems if the Dealer F's it up.

Just in examining the Fred Flintstone version of butt splice connectors (see the video posted in this thread) provided in the KIA fix kit is scary. Back around 1967 the electrical trade was already using a superior "sta-kon" wire connector/terminal.

Hard to understand much of this.
sparx

 

[SKStinger]

Just in examining the Fred Flintstone version of butt splice connectors (see the video posted in this thread) provided in the KIA fix kit is scary. Back around 1967 the electrical trade was already using a superior "sta-kon" wire connector/terminal.

Hard to understand much of this.
sparx

It's great to have an expert/someone from the electrical trade comment on this fix because it seems pretty low frills and unsafe to me with the kit provided and to trust Dealers to mess around in the fuse box. Thanks for confirming my suspicions.