Lets talk tuning, piggy back vs ECU flash.

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Wow you car goes past 130 ??? Mine does not.... how come mine tops out at like 130 ?? That’s bs

You must have the 18" wheels. My RWD with staggered 19" has a limiter at 167 i believe vs 139 (I believe) of the 18" wheels.

 

[Terry@BMS]

My car does 155+mph no problem, verified on the airport runway. Not sure where the limiter is but probably around 158mph? The cars with crap 18" rims/tires are limited to 130mph I read. Those are the guys who might benefit from a speed limiter removal but only when racing at a track. Doing that sort of speed on the road is idiotic at best.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

My car does 155+mph no problem, verified on the airport runway. Not sure where the limiter is but probably around 158mph? The cars with crap 18" rims/tires are limited to 130mph I read. Those are the guys who might benefit from a speed limiter removal but only when racing at a track. Doing that sort of speed on the road is idiotic at best.

167 is the top speed limiter for the 19" wheels

 

[Angel]

You must have the 18" wheels. My RWD with staggered 19" has a limiter at 167 i believe vs 139 (I believe) of the 18" wheels.

I do have 18 and AWD ... that’s bs

 

[Kamauxx]

Ya thats a deal breaker for me. 167 is more than enough for me though. Ive gotten her passed 150 twice and once passed 160. It was a rush, but i backed off around 164.

I got up to around 135 three times in the first couple of months after buying mine. Since then I haven't been north of 115. I think those 3 runs fulfilled my need for speed.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

I got up to around 135 three times in the first couple of months after buying mine. Since then I haven't been north of 115. I think those 3 runs fulfilled my need for speed.

lol. Yup same here. I did the 160+ pull against a porche on the highway. Yes I left him in my rearview (with my kia badges still on lol). That was around June/July. Since then i think ive maybe hit 110 a few times.

It gets a little scary at 160 hahahaha.

 

[brancky3]

Angel, I can't say whether or not Lap3's ECU tune will have this or that when it's released. I have confidence they will produce a great tune, but it will be off the shelf tuning which is not made for your car specifically. It will not be dyno tuned for your car.

As an example, check out APRs tune for the VW Golf R: APR High Output 2.0 TSI/TFSI Gen3 ECU Upgrade for the MQB Platform
This tune is off the shelf which will make 99% of the cars it is applied to perfectly safe with repeatable power levels. They even offer low torque, medium torque, and high torque maps. They also offer stage 1 and 2 tuning. Golf R owners still run JB4s on top of this tune to fine tune their specific car and they see benefit from it. APR isn't going to modify a tune for one specific car because they want to add water/meth to it; that's where the JB4 benefit comes from.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Angel, I can't say whether or not Lap3's ECU tune will have this or that when it's released. I have confidence they will produce a great tune, but it will be off the shelf tuning which is not made for your car specifically. It will not be dyno tuned for your car.

As an example, check out APRs tune for the VW Golf R: APR High Output 2.0 TSI/TFSI Gen3 ECU Upgrade for the MQB Platform
This tune is off the shelf which will make 99% of the cars it is applied to perfectly safe with repeatable power levels. They even offer low torque, medium torque, and high torque maps. They also offer stage 1 and 2 tuning. Golf R owners still run JB4s on top of this tune to fine tune their specific car and they see benefit from it. APR isn't going to modify a tune for one specific car because they want to add water/meth to it; that's where the JB4 benefit comes from.

or you could just get a stand alone AEM Water MEth system or a Snow system for about 400-500 bucks. Same cost of the JB4 but then you have to add the Water/Meth system to it.

I agree it doesnt sound like they will be doing any custom tuning like Tork.

 

[Terry@BMS]

or you could just get a stand alone AEM Water MEth system or a Snow system for about 400-500 bucks. Same cost of the JB4 but then you have to add the Water/Meth system to it.

With the stand alone systems the tuning and WMI are not integrated. For WMI to be used safely the tuning needs to be held at pump gas levels UNTIL WMI is fully flowing, and in the event WMI flow stops or is reduced (due to leak, mechanical issue, low fluid, etc) the tuning levels need to safely transition back down to pump gas levels. The stand alone WMI kits are not capable of this level of integration that the JB4 can provide which is why they are sometimes referred to as "spray and pray" implementations.

 

[KLR STINGER]

I love to see when people have no idea what they are talking about tell people why something is so much better. This thread never disappoints.

Anyhow, they're using a profec due to the use of turbos with external waste gate setup. There is no OEM facility to manage boost with factory ecu on turbos with external gates.

 

[KLR STINGER]

With the stand alone systems the tuning and WMI are not integrated. For WMI to be used safely the tuning needs to be held at pump gas levels UNTIL WMI is fully flowing, and in the event WMI flow stops or is reduced (due to leak, mechanical issue, low fluid, etc) the tuning levels need to safely transition back down to pump gas levels. The stand alone WMI kits are not capable of this level of integration that the JB4 can provide which is why they are sometimes referred to as "spray and pray" implementations.

This.

 

[Terry@BMS]

I love to see when people have no idea what they are talking about tell people why something is so much better. This thread never disappoints.

Anyhow, they're using a profec due to the use of turbos with external waste gate setup. There is no OEM facility to manage boost with factory ecu on turbos with external gates.

Ah OK, for posterity the JB4 can run external wastegates. We do it all the time for N54 single turbo retrofits. As we do it now it would need to be setup with a single MAC solenoid running both wastegates, like this:

 

[KLR STINGER]

Ah OK, for posterity the JB4 can run external wastegates. We do it all the time for N54 single turbo retrofits. As we do it now it would need to be setup with a single MAC solenoid running both wastegates, like this:

I know that, hence I knew what you meant about lap 3 pro tuner not being able to manage and didn't take it as a dig at lap 3. Thanks for posting for the YouTube tuner crew on this site, who only know ECU tunes = more better than dumb Piggy backs..sumthin sumthin.... signal modifers..

 

[Angel]

Angel, I can't say whether or not Lap3's ECU tune will have this or that when it's released. I have confidence they will produce a great tune, but it will be off the shelf tuning which is not made for your car specifically. It will not be dyno tuned for your car.

As an example, check out APRs tune for the VW Golf R: APR High Output 2.0 TSI/TFSI Gen3 ECU Upgrade for the MQB Platform
This tune is off the shelf which will make 99% of the cars it is applied to perfectly safe with repeatable power levels. They even offer low torque, medium torque, and high torque maps. They also offer stage 1 and 2 tuning. Golf R owners still run JB4s on top of this tune to fine tune their specific car and they see benefit from it. APR isn't going to modify a tune for one specific car because they want to add water/meth to it; that's where the JB4 benefit comes from.

I fully understand what your saying...I use to own a Golf R and i am extremely familiar with APR......APR has the shelf tunes for about any configuration of mods that you try to get.....FYI APR will work you as well it will just cost extra money...All i am saying is once LAP 3 develops the ecu tune and they get familiar I am sure they will have tunes for any configuration of mods you have like intercooler, down pipes, bigger turbos of course and etc....I still dont see a need personally for a piggyback....if you have a proper tune for your car with the mods you have there is no need for piggyback....just put fuel on your car and drive it lol and enjoy it......I run 30+ psi on kill mode on the lexus 20 psi on daily driver mode and i dont see a need for a dawn piggy back man ....what for ? all i do is turn the boost up or down with my boost controller and the ecu takes care of the rest.....This is how i run my set up personally so cant speak on anyone else wanting to use a piggyback as well....to each own....

 

[StungBlueGT2]

I’m not sure if this was discussed already but here’s something Tork was finally able to achieve with ecu tuning.
Tork Motorsports on Instagram: “More progress on the KIA Stinger 3.3TT ECU, we may have the LC option set a little more aggressive now ;) Stay tune for more results!…”
Not sure if the extra 250rpm will help or hurt launching with RWD, but curious if this is something piggybacks will be able to do as well?

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

I’m not sure if this was discussed already but here’s something Tork was finally able to achieve with ecu tuning.
Tork Motorsports on Instagram: “More progress on the KIA Stinger 3.3TT ECU, we may have the LC option set a little more aggressive now ;) Stay tune for more results!…”
Not sure if the extra 250rpm will help or hurt launching with RWD, but curious if this is something piggybacks will be able to do as well?

Terry can correct me but I thought Piggybacks cant do anything to LC. I always thought you were better off manually launching the car then using LC.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

I’m not sure if this was discussed already but here’s something Tork was finally able to achieve with ecu tuning.
Tork Motorsports on Instagram: “More progress on the KIA Stinger 3.3TT ECU, we may have the LC option set a little more aggressive now ;) Stay tune for more results!…”
Not sure if the extra 250rpm will help or hurt launching with RWD, but curious if this is something piggybacks will be able to do as well?

Also, what John has accomplished this holiday season i think will blow peoples minds. I know he plans to make a full announcement soon.

 

[Terry@BMS]

I’m not sure if this was discussed already but here’s something Tork was finally able to achieve with ecu tuning.
Tork Motorsports on Instagram: “More progress on the KIA Stinger 3.3TT ECU, we may have the LC option set a little more aggressive now ;) Stay tune for more results!…”
Not sure if the extra 250rpm will help or hurt launching with RWD, but curious if this is something piggybacks will be able to do as well?

Change the launch RPM itself no, but I think the torque converter will limit that anyway. We do add more boost during the launch at the existing RPM and that seems to help AWD vehicles. For RWD normally you're using the JB4's boost by gear setting to limit boost at the launch.

What I'd really like to see is the ability to just do normal brake boosting without the launch mode.

 

[Tonkabob]

I’m not sure if this was discussed already but here’s something Tork was finally able to achieve with ecu tuning.
Tork Motorsports on Instagram: “More progress on the KIA Stinger 3.3TT ECU, we may have the LC option set a little more aggressive now ;) Stay tune for more results!…”
Not sure if the extra 250rpm will help or hurt launching with RWD, but curious if this is something piggybacks will be able to do as well?

I saw this on FB as well and on top of the 250 rpm he is also able to launch at 8-9 psi vs stocks 0-2 is what i normally see.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Terry can correct me but I thought Piggybacks cant do anything to LC. I always thought you were better off manually launching the car then using LC.

For RWD I've always had the best times using launch control, but then limiting boost in 1st gear as needed to maintain traction.