Lets talk tuning, piggy back vs ECU flash.

[Angel]

This thread is literally for piggybacks vs ECU tunes. According to Lap3 their ECU tune will be off the shelf and sealed in a spare ECU so that no changes can be made to it. This seems like the perfect opportunity for someone who wants the best of both worlds to get an ECU tune and put the JB4 on top of it to fine tune for their climate / specific car. But to Terry's point, I don't know why they're not using the pro tuner to change boost levels instead of a separate boost controller.

I will try to answer your question on sections. The reason there using an ecu tune is better, that’s the reality especially for a setup like this of bigger turbos, big power. The reason there using a boost controller instead of the lap 3 pro is because a boost controlller is cheaper and there is no need at all for a lap 3 pro when they have an ecu tune. FYI Terry is the only person I heard in my life to use a piggyback on top of an ecu tune lol .... there is not need for a piggy back once you have a proper ecu tune seriously man ..... this is not to throw shade at Terry at all just for the record. Hope this makes sense ...

 

[Angel]

This thread is literally for piggybacks vs ECU tunes. According to Lap3 their ECU tune will be off the shelf and sealed in a spare ECU so that no changes can be made to it. This seems like the perfect opportunity for someone who wants the best of both worlds to get an ECU tune and put the JB4 on top of it to fine tune for their climate / specific car. But to Terry's point, I don't know why they're not using the pro tuner to change boost levels instead of a separate boost controller.

For example on my IS 300 with the fully built 2JZ and big turbo I run a pro efi standalone ecu ..... I have it customed tunes for pump gas and E85 ...... if I ever want to turn the boost up or down I have an electronic boost controller to manage my boost ... there is no need for a piggy back for that .... your ecu will do everything else if properly tuned ....

 

[brancky3]

For example on my IS 300 with the fully built 2JZ and big turbo I run a pro efi standalone ecu ..... I have it customed tunes for pump gas and E85 ...... if I ever want to turn the boost up or down I have an electronic boost controller to manage my boost ... there is no need for a piggy back for that .... your ecu will do everything else if properly tuned ....

You will understand better once the Lap3 ECU is released and becomes more popular. It will be the same thing that companies like APR provide in an ECU tune - a one-size fits all with a few maps to tailor to some mods or fuel. But then people might want water/meth injection, some might want to up the boost a little more, some might want to do both of these things. Lap3 isn't going to revise the tune on your ECU based on your needs to accomplish these goals; however, the JB4 will be able to supplement the ECU tune fully to do these things (and provide logging capabilities which is crucial for a lot of people)

Personally I don't see the benefits of the ECU tune yet on this platform. Quicker shifts and higher launch RPM would be great benefits but we haven't seen any evidence that this can be accomplished. AFR, boost, and timing (which is pretty much most of what is required to make power) is very similar between the ECU logs and JB4 logs that have been posted thus far.

 

[Angel]

You will understand better once the Lap3 ECU is released and becomes more popular. It will be the same thing that companies like APR provide in an ECU tune - a one-size fits all with a few maps to tailor to some mods or fuel. But then people might want water/meth injection, some might want to up the boost a little more, some might want to do both of these things. Lap3 isn't going to revise the tune on your ECU based on your needs to accomplish these goals; however, the JB4 will be able to supplement the ECU tune fully to do these things (and provide logging capabilities which is crucial for a lot of people)

Personally I don't see the benefits of the ECU tune yet on this platform. Quicker shifts and higher launch RPM would be great benefits but we haven't seen any evidence that this can be accomplished. AFR, boost, and timing (which is pretty much most of what is required to make power) is very similar between the ECU logs and JB4 logs that have been posted thus far.

I respectfully disagree with your first statement that is assuming lap 3 wont tune for meth and wont be willing to work with a customer for special needs or special tunes .... I think lap 3 will figured it out and whatever you want they will tune for ....... I also don’t see a benefit of a piggyback with a proper ecu tune .... I’m sorry I don’t see that ..... it’s like if I serve you a glass of coke soda and then you asks me to pour half of it with Pepsi..... maybe a bad analogy but it doesn’t make sense to me that there would be a need for a piggyback...
on your second statement I fully agree with you 100 percent I don’t think right now as it stands I don’t see the benefit of an ecu tune over a Good piggy back like JB4 or lap 3 pro tuner .... I think not enough development yet on the plataform and tuners are claiming this and that but no data or actual results to prove it it’s too early into ecu tuning for that .... not enough testing on an ecu tune to know the reliability and not to mention the high price on them and warranty issues that can cause....a piggyback is just a better choince at the moment on my opinion so I agree 50 percent but I respect your opinion ... if you want to be that guy to run a piggy back with an ecu tune then by all means it’s America !!!

 

[Terry@BMS]

It’s probably better to get a flash map once you are going bigger turbos etc ... I personally always have had ecu tunes done to my cars or bought full standalone ecu... the JB4 is the first time I ever tried and owned a piggyback. The JB4 gets the job done for what I am looking for at the moment so no complaints here .... down the road will go bigger turbos and ecu tune as well .... Terry why won’t you develop and ecu tune ??? I think you are defenetely smart enough and have the knowledge to do it ....

It's not that a flash map is "better" for larger turbos, but certain things often require flash tuning to address, like transmission line pressure, or cam timing. We offer flash maps for most large turbo applications we support.

But with large turbos a good tuning system like the JB4 becomes even more important for extra safety, on the fly changes, boost by gear, WMI integration, logging, etc. It's just very interesting to me that Lap3 decided NOT to use their own tuning system and instead turn to a generic 3rd party system.

 

[Angel]

It's not that a flash map is "better" for larger turbos, but certain things often require flash tuning to address, like transmission line pressure. We offer flash maps for most large turbo applications we support.

But with large turbos a good tuning system like the JB4 becomes even more important for extra safety, on the fly changes, boost by gear, logging, etc. It's interesting to me that Lap3 decided NOT to use their tuning system and instead turn to a generic one.

I can’t agree or disagree with you because I just don’t have the knowledge about your product to justify my answer. I understand the logging, boost by gear, but I don’t fully understand by extra safety ?? Is a proper ecu tune not safe enough ?? I don’t have a piggy back on my IS 300 for extra safety ? Can you elaborate and excuse my ignorance.

 

[Terry@BMS]

This thread is literally for piggybacks vs ECU tunes. According to Lap3 their ECU tune will be off the shelf and sealed in a spare ECU so that no changes can be made to it. This seems like the perfect opportunity for someone who wants the best of both worlds to get an ECU tune and put the JB4 on top of it to fine tune for their climate / specific car. But to Terry's point, I don't know why they're not using the pro tuner to change boost levels instead of a separate boost controller.

+1

 

[Terry@BMS]

I can’t agree or disagree with you because I just don’t have the knowledge about your product to justify my answer. My understand the logging, boost by gear, but I don’t fully understand by extra safety ?? Is a proper ecu tune not safe enough ?? I don’t have a piggy back on my IS 300 for extra safety ? Can you elaborate and excuse my ignorance.

I've explained some of the differences between what you can do with the factory tuning for safety vs. how you can improve it with the JB4 in another post I made in this thread.

 

[Angel]

I can’t agree or disagree with you because I just don’t have the knowledge about your product to justify my answer. I understand the logging, boost by gear, but I don’t fully understand by extra safety ?? Is a proper ecu tune not safe enough ?? I don’t have a piggy back on my IS 300 for extra safety ? Can you elaborate and excuse my ignorance.

 

[Angel]

I've explained some of the differences between what you can do with the factory tuning for safety vs. how you can improve it with the JB4 in another post I made in this thread.

Ok no problem will check that out.

 

[Angel]

I've explained some of the differences between what you can do with the factory tuning for safety vs. how you can improve it with the JB4 in another post I made in this thread.

So back to business terry what is new for the JB4 ?? What you working on any updates ?? Speed limiter lol increase ??

 

[Terry@BMS]

We talk JB4 shop in the JB4 thread, primarily on n54tech. But when changes are implemented we post those to the JB4 thread here too.

 

[Angel]

We talk JB4 shop in the JB4 thread, primarily on n54tech. But when changes are implemented we post those to the JB4 thread here too.

Can you please provide me a link to it ?? And are you working on speed limiter increase is that something in the works ?? Please work on that ?? I know there are safety concerns but take a look at it

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

+1

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[Angel]

-1

I assume is + 0 now ?? What just happened .....

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

I assume is + 0 now ?? What just happened .....

Lol. I think instead of just hitting the like or disagree button ill quote something and say +1 / -1

 

[Terry@BMS]

Can you please provide me a link to it ?? And are you working on speed limiter increase is that something in the works ?? Please work on that ?? I know there are safety concerns but take a look at it

This is the primary Stinger JB4 thread: Kia & Hyundai JB4 - N54Tech.com - International Turbo Racing Discussion

I go back and forth on whether we want to offer the delimiter options. Maybe, we'll post directions as a DIY only so those doing so know they are doing so at their own risk and not with our consent.

 

[Angel]

This is the primary Stinger JB4 thread: Kia & Hyundai JB4 - N54Tech.com - International Turbo Racing Discussion

I go back and forth on whether we want to offer the delimiter options. Maybe, we'll post directions as a DIY only so those doing so know they are doing so at their own risk and not with our consent.

Merica !!! Make it happen I will do that at my own risk but please offer the option at least he’ll I will sign a consent form lol I hate the fact that the car tops out at like 130 or 120 for me

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Merica !!! Make it happen I will do that at my own risk but please offer the option at least he’ll I will sign a consent form lol I hate the fact that the car tops out at like 130 or 120 for me

Ya thats a deal breaker for me. 167 is more than enough for me though. Ive gotten her passed 150 twice and once passed 160. It was a rush, but i backed off around 164.

 

[Angel]

Ya thats a deal breaker for me. 167 is more than enough for me though. Ive gotten twice passed 150, and once passed 160 it was a rush, but i backed off around 164

Wow you car goes past 130 ??? Mine does not.... how come mine tops out at like 130 ?? That’s bs