Lets talk tuning, piggy back vs ECU flash.

[TorkMe]

I'm on the Facebook stinger groups too and haven't seen any. The one posted yesterday was the guy from NYC bitching that he should have never bought the car and has been trying to sell it for months. I bet he hit something and cracked his oil pan... That Anthony guy that posted the dyno with white smoke pouring out of his exhaust found out that his timing cover gasket failed, not his turbos. Who's the other one?

I have not seen 100's of Stinger customers chiming in on the JB4 either, so... what do we do about that?

I know of 2 and waiting for confirmation on a 3rd one right now. I have also heard of one engine failure, but the poster was quick to delete his post, and claimed that he never made when asked.

 

[TorkMe]

Sorry, I.should have been more specific. Is he the only Stinger tuned customer so far?

No, we have tuned several Stingers, most just happen to be overseas right now.

 

[Tonkabob]

When i called Ultimate Performance about my FMIC install they said they were running a Tork tune. They are probably just gullable hacks like me!

 

[Sales@Tork]

Sorry, I.should have been more specific. Is he the only Stinger tuned customer so far?

No he is not lol

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

When i called Ultimate Performance about my FMIC install they said they were running a Tork tune. They are probably just gullable hacks like me!

Nice!

 

[ScottM]

I agree, however... I will not let Terry attack me or our products. If he even insinuates that we are mentally handicapped, or refers to my mental states of being unstable, I will also reply to those posts. It sucks, because Terry builds his customer base on throwing insults at his competitors, not only in the Stinger market, but also the VW, Audi and BMW markets. Its is business model.

@TorkMe You are right...it IS his business model and should not be yours. I believe I disagreed with his tactics in another thread. Having said that, I believe you should do you and focus on your product (my opinion). Slinging the poo does not help the tuning community or your business (but maybe it does, I'm not in the tuning community). In any event, it's annoying to me. And...I can only control what I read. So...I shall block myself from reading this thread. There done. Be well.

 

[Terry@BMS]

At least we don't have 3 sets of failed turbos to the list of tuning accomplishments. JB4 owns all those records

I guess that is why you have the disclaimer in all your posts

Would be news to me. As I'm happy to share we've got over 500 Stinger JB4s out in the wild, and when shit breaks, I'm usually the first person to hear about it. I know of one guy who isn't that active on the forums who reported turbo whine and a loss of boost after a day of racing. He's catless and runs a lot of boost. That's the only suspected turbo failure I've heard about.

There was that Anthony guy on Facebook who was leaking oil during a dyno due to some failed mod attempt. Fixed it with a new gasket or something, nothing turbo related. Now this Facebook guy last night who posted a photo with oil under his car but no details, guy claimed he hasn't even tuned his car. I searched his name last night in our sales system and if it's the same guy ordered 2 JB4 systems about week ago. I doubt he installed one yet. I personally think he got caught talking shit on Facebook and when someone called him out realized he better modify his car quickly lol. Anyway from the photo with no details who knows what's wrong. Maybe his drain plug backed out. Maybe he decided to run map7 on 87 octane and holed his block. Maybe whatever is going on with the car has nothing to do with modification at all. Who really knows.

It was funny that the Facebook guys thought people are trying to cover up whatever is going on. If there is some weak point with the cars we're going to be the first to inform our customers via mapping suggestions. It's always fun to crank the boost up but with the JB4 you have that choice to adjust the tuning on the fly, only use the extra power when you really want it. And leave the car tuned mildly most of the time, if there is some sort of durability concern with parts of the engine. That level of on the fly tuning adjustment is something the Stinger flash tuners can't currently match.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Would be news to me. As I'm happy to share we've got over 500 Stinger JB4s out in the wild, and when shit breaks, I'm usually the first person to hear about it. I know of one guy who isn't that active on the forums who reported turbo whine and a loss of boost after a day of racing. He's catless and runs a lot of boost. That's the only suspected turbo failure I've heard about.

There was that Anthony guy on Facebook who was leaking oil during a dyno due to some failed mod attempt. Fixed it with a new gasket or something, nothing turbo related. Now this Facebook guy last night who posted a photo with oil under his car but no details, guy claimed he hasn't even tuned his car. I searched his name last night in our sales system and if it's the same guy ordered 2 JB4 systems about week ago. I doubt he installed one yet. I personally think he got caught talking shit on Facebook and when someone called him out realized he better modify his car quickly lol. Anyway from the photo with no details who knows what's wrong. Maybe his drain plug backed out. Maybe he decided to run map7 on 87 octane and holed his block. Maybe whatever is going on with the car has nothing to do with modification at all. Who really knows.

It was funny that the Facebook guys thought people are trying to cover up whatever is going on. If there is some weak point with the cars we're going to be the first to inform our customers via mapping suggestions. It's always fun to crank the boost up but with the JB4 you have that choice to adjust the tuning on the fly, only use the extra power when you really want it. And leave the car tuned mildly most of the time, if there is some sort of durability concern with parts of the engine. That level of on the fly tuning adjustment is something the Stinger flash tuners can't currently match.

He installed and next day his engine went bye bye. He said he bought 2 one for him and one for his brother.

But you are right we dont have the complete details on it yet.

 

[Terry@BMS]

If he did it doesn't appear he registered the phone app yet, everyone does that as soon as they install it. I doubt he ever installed it like he claimed in the post. But I'll reserve judgement on that guy until I see more information.

But whatever his story is it is. It's always important customers are aware of the whatever the risks are with modifications and that they pick their performance maps accordingly.

 

[TorkMe]

@TorkMe You are right...it IS his business model and should not be yours. I believe I disagreed with his tactics in another thread. Having said that, I believe you should do you and focus on your product (my opinion). Slinging the poo does not help the tuning community or your business (but maybe it does, I'm not in the tuning community). In any event, it's annoying to me. And...I can only control what I read. So...I shall block myself from reading this thread. There done. Be well.

Agreed, we slipped up and it will not happen again. We want to be here for the community, and we lost track of that for a few days. We are sorry, and lets get back to modding our cars, and getting the results that everyone wants.

 

[TorkMe]

Would be news to me. As I'm happy to share we've got over 500 Stinger JB4s out in the wild, and when shit breaks, I'm usually the first person to hear about it. I know of one guy who isn't that active on the forums who reported turbo whine and a loss of boost after a day of racing. He's catless and runs a lot of boost. That's the only suspected turbo failure I've heard about.

There was that Anthony guy on Facebook who was leaking oil during a dyno due to some failed mod attempt. Fixed it with a new gasket or something, nothing turbo related. Now this Facebook guy last night who posted a photo with oil under his car but no details, guy claimed he hasn't even tuned his car. I searched his name last night in our sales system and if it's the same guy ordered 2 JB4 systems about week ago. I doubt he installed one yet. I personally think he got caught talking shit on Facebook and when someone called him out realized he better modify his car quickly lol. Anyway from the photo with no details who knows what's wrong. Maybe his drain plug backed out. Maybe he decided to run map7 on 87 octane and holed his block. Maybe whatever is going on with the car has nothing to do with modification at all. Who really knows.

It was funny that the Facebook guys thought people are trying to cover up whatever is going on. If there is some weak point with the cars we're going to be the first to inform our customers via mapping suggestions. It's always fun to crank the boost up but with the JB4 you have that choice to adjust the tuning on the fly, only use the extra power when you really want it. And leave the car tuned mildly most of the time, if there is some sort of durability concern with parts of the engine. That level of on the fly tuning adjustment is something the Stinger flash tuners can't currently match.

Terry, if you have something to add about the piggy back vs ECU tune, I am ready to listen. If you want to keep beating the bush waiting to see what come out of it, not going to fall for your tactics anymore.

This is a piggy back vs ECU tune thread, not e-cock measuring contest. Check yourself before you post.

 

[Blitz]

In person talks about their competition where they made some accusations.

I find it hard to believe that anyone talked negative or made any accusations about our competition. I pride myself in not sharing my opinions about other shops in my shop, its not needed or beneficial, please DM me so we can talk about this.

At least we don't have 3 sets of failed turbos to the list of tuning accomplishments. JB4 owns all those records

 

[Terry@BMS]

Terry

Technically due to forum rules I'm not supposed to post in this thread unless invited, I missed it earlier because you don't have the "sponsor" tag under your name. If there is an issue with me posting here hopefully the mods can move any posts I made here to another neutral thread.

 

[Blitz]

I'm not saying this shouldn't be brought to light. I say call him out all you want. IF JB4s are blowing shit up people have a right to know.

Just don't act like I'm lying.

 

[Sabz]

Says the guy who cannot match our time from 5 months ago, nor catch our AWD record with a conservative tune, less mods and even less aggressive fuel octane. But hey... you have to throw insults in order to justify your place in the Stinger market to sell products, fair enough.

At least we don't have 3 sets of failed turbos to the list of tuning accomplishments. JB4 owns all those records

I guess that is why you have the disclaimer in all your posts

Anyone have more info on these failed turbos? Just curious if they were running custom maps or what? I am curious if this happened on say map 1 or 2 or were they really pushing the limits?

 

[brancky3]

Anyone have more info on these failed turbos? Just curious if they were running custom maps or what? I am curious if this happened on say map 1 or 2 or were they really pushing the limits?

Without having any proof of failure this is all completely baseless. Jb4 doesn't push any more boost than any other tune does UNLESS the user specifies it to do so. On one of my old cars I had an ECU tune and also a manual boost controller - if I cranked that boost controller up would the tune be at fault? If anything, that's what might have happened. But I have a very hard time believing a tune contributes to a turbo failure before an engine failure.

 

[TorkMe]

Without having any proof of failure this is all completely baseless. Jb4 doesn't push any more boost than any other tune does UNLESS the user specifies it to do so. On one of my old cars I had an ECU tune and also a manual boost controller - if I cranked that boost controller up would the tune be at fault? If anything, that's what might have happened. But I have a very hard time believing a tune contributes to a turbo failure before an engine failure.

I am going to talk about this, because it relates to the piggy back vs tune.

The piggy back hides boost from the ECU, I think we all understand that now. What people don't understand is that the turbo compressor speeds tables are built into the ECU, and those speeds are calculated off of the boost levels being recorded by the ECU. So... if you are hiding boost from the ECU, it cannot calculate proper turbo speeds.

Turbo speeds fall into a lot of maps for different protection levels. A big one would be turbine temp safety limit. If you hide the boost, turbo speeds are not accurate, now we have turbine temps off as well. If you hide to much boost, then shift control for BOV/surge valve operation. All the calculations are off, and possible turbo damage can result from this type of hidden boost signal.

I have seen turbo failures from aggressive settings in the turbo speed maps on stock turbo cars. It was actually a problem for a little while in the Hyundai market with a Korean tuner cranking up the turbo speeds to max, and the turbos were running full speed with the surge valve wide open. This created a massive turbo speed attempting to reach target boost, and ended up with several cars with failing turbos.

Now, not all ECU's are programmed with calculated turbo speeds... it just so happens that the Stinger has these maps and these have to be monitored carefully to avoid turbo overspeed.

Hope this helps.

 

[TorkMe]

I'm not saying this shouldn't be brought to light. I say call him out all you want. IF JB4s are blowing shit up people have a right to know.

Just don't act like I'm lying.

Here is the problem... the turbo failures could be a manufacturing flaw from first production line run. Or... we could have a tuning issue. It would appear that the only cars suffering from turbo failure are the ones with catless or aftermarket cats on the car. With more people getting catless, we will soon know what the issue is.

 

[Blitz]

I am going to talk about this, because it relates to the piggy back vs tune.

The piggy back hides boost from the ECU, I think we all understand that now. What people don't understand is that the turbo compressor speeds tables are built into the ECU, and those speeds are calculated off of the boost levels being recorded by the ECU. So... if you are hiding boost from the ECU, it cannot calculate proper turbo speeds.

Turbo speeds fall into a lot of maps for different protection levels. A big one would be turbine temp safety limit. If you hide the boost, turbo speeds are not accurate, now we have turbine temps off as well. If you hide to much boost, then shift control for BOV/surge valve operation. All the calculations are off, and possible turbo damage can result from this type of hidden boost signal.

I have seen turbo failures from aggressive settings in the turbo speed maps on stock turbo cars. It was actually a problem for a little while in the Hyundai market with a Korean tuner cranking up the turbo speeds to max, and the turbos were running full speed with the surge valve wide open. This created a massive turbo speed attempting to reach target boost, and ended up with several cars with failing turbos.

Now, not all ECU's are programmed with calculated turbo speeds... it just so happens that the Stinger has these maps and these have to be monitored carefully to avoid turbo overspeed.

Hope this helps.

Helps immensely. Good shit.

 

[Bigjohnb20]

I am going to talk about this, because it relates to the piggy back vs tune.

The piggy back hides boost from the ECU, I think we all understand that now. What people don't understand is that the turbo compressor speeds tables are built into the ECU, and those speeds are calculated off of the boost levels being recorded by the ECU. So... if you are hiding boost from the ECU, it cannot calculate proper turbo speeds.

Turbo speeds fall into a lot of maps for different protection levels. A big one would be turbine temp safety limit. If you hide the boost, turbo speeds are not accurate, now we have turbine temps off as well. If you hide to much boost, then shift control for BOV/surge valve operation. All the calculations are off, and possible turbo damage can result from this type of hidden boost signal.

I have seen turbo failures from aggressive settings in the turbo speed maps on stock turbo cars. It was actually a problem for a little while in the Hyundai market with a Korean tuner cranking up the turbo speeds to max, and the turbos were running full speed with the surge valve wide open. This created a massive turbo speed attempting to reach target boost, and ended up with several cars with failing turbos.

Now, not all ECU's are programmed with calculated turbo speeds... it just so happens that the Stinger has these maps and these have to be monitored carefully to avoid turbo overspeed.

Hope this helps.

What is the difference between a blow off valve and a surge valve?