Lets talk tuning, piggy back vs ECU flash.

[Tonkabob]

I didn't know if it was intentional or had benefit. Is "down low" rpm wise or gear wise? It looks 14+ all the way to redline in first gear.

 

[Sales@Tork]

Geezus who’s d@ck is bigger from behind a keyboard?! Let’s get back to the real discussion:
@TorkMe what boost psi is being run on the stage 1? And is stage 1 pretty much completed aka no more updates/changes to stage 1?

It just seems to me that if the Tork and jb4 times are close w/ less boost, that tells me that there are more parameters being maximized w/ the Tork tune and more likely safer due to the balance in tuning more parameters. Suggests speed + reliability and longevity?

The stage 0 and stage 1 tune has been finalized for months now and has been up for sale on our website. The stage 2 is the one we are really working one. But yes as we get deeper into the ECU and get more maps unlocked and found will make changes as necessary to every tune to optimize it. But as for right now stage 1 and stage 0 are done with how far we are with the ECU. and for PSI in our stage one we are running 16-17psi

 

[Sales@Tork]

@TorkMe I emailed tuned@damnfastdd.com on 11/29 asking about your intakes and muffler deletes and have yet to hear back. Despite the lack of response, I ended up purchasing the intakes based on TonkaBob’s recommendation. The reason I’m bringing this up and I have 20+ years in Customer Service you need to be responsive to your potential customers or else that will impact your business. I realize this could have slipped by, but someone needs to review and ensure emails don’t go unanswered. You have Tonkabob to thank for the purchase.

On a positive note keep up the great work on the platform and I look forward to the benefits from your intakes.

I am sorry we didnt get back to you but the tuned email is strictly for Johns tuning sales questions really need to go to sales@damnfastdd.com

 

[Sales@Tork]

John is right a lot can change in 5 months. He should include a 10-pack of FedEx overnight boxes with every tune so his customers can mail back their ECU every time something changes for the latest update.

Terry did you ever find that fuel pump module on your kia stinger yet?

 

[TorkMe]

John is right a lot can change in 5 months. He should include a 10-pack of FedEx overnight boxes with every tune so his customers can mail back their ECU every time something changes for the latest update.

Says the guy who cannot match our time from 5 months ago, nor catch our AWD record with a conservative tune, less mods and even less aggressive fuel octane. But hey... you have to throw insults in order to justify your place in the Stinger market to sell products, fair enough.

At least we don't have 3 sets of failed turbos to the list of tuning accomplishments. JB4 owns all those records

I guess that is why you have the disclaimer in all your posts

 

[ryan1stinger]

I am sorry we didnt get back to you but the tuned email is strictly for Johns tuning sales questions really need to go to sales@damnfastdd.com

Thanks Matt. You may want to give a nudge to John or check the box to make sure emails are being responded to.

 

[Terry@BMS]

The comparison is for the 12.06@119.8 dragy slip on map5 + E30, there is no WMI on that run.

There is no magic here.

Power is a function of the boost, timing, and AFR, combined with higher flow bolt on modifications that increase efficiency of the engine. 1/4 mile times are a function of power, weight, and traction. So these claims your side makes that somehow your going to magically make significantly more power at the same boost, timing, & AFR, are laughable. As are your claims that some magical "11 second 1/4 mile limiter" is programmed in to the ECU that needs to be flashed out, or your claim that modules on the CANbus are not recording ECU values for higher flashed torque and load. You're just taking advantage of your naive customer base IMHO.

 

[TorkMe]

Thanks Matt. You may want to give a nudge to John or check the box to make sure emails are being responded to.

Sorry about the delays, I have not been in my tuning email for a few weeks now. I will check today and get everything taken care of.

 

[TorkMe]

The comparison is for the 12.06@119.8 dragy slip on map5 + E30, there is no WMI on that run.

There is no magic here.

Power is a function of the boost, timing, and AFR, combined with higher flow bolt on modifications that increase efficiency of the engine. 1/4 mile times are a function of power, weight, and traction. So these claims your side makes that somehow your going to magically make significantly more power at the same boost, timing, & AFR, are laughable. As are your claims that some magical "11 second 1/4 mile limiter" is programmed in to the ECU that needs to be flashed out, or that modules on the CANbus are not recording ECU values for torque and load. You're just taking advantage of a very naive customer base IMHO.

I had to address the rest of your comments in a different post.

Can you provide me with the maps inside the ECU that show the acceleration limiter? Can you explain to me why the throttle is closing on your 1-2 shift and why ignition timing is dropping so drastic on (shifts) the 11.99 run, but not on the 12.06 run. Can you log actual torque for us in your logs, to reference the limiter vs ignition and throttle close?

I am going to go out on a limb here and say you have already logged torque limits, and you know what the problem is (throttle close and ignition pull), and refuse to acknowledge or share with the community. The magic being, E30 blended fuel. You know just as well as I, that it adds an incredible amount of knock resistance to the fuel and increases cylinder pressure. For you to talk to me, and say that my comments are laughable about the E30 not being a power advantage, its not only insulting to the community, but arguably the dumbest thing you have said to date.

 

[ScottM]

It's my fault, I need to stop reading this thread. It has become a "who's d*ck is bigger" thing. It really sours me on trying a piggy, a tune, a "insert something else here" period. I mean it would be nice if both tuners would just shut the f*ck up about "my record this", "my customer service that", and the "blah blah". How about you answer emails, work on your tunes/piggy/etc, and build a better product for the Stinger community?! If you love what you do (creating a performance product for cars...) do that. I figure the time you are spending talking sh*t on our site is wasting lots of time that could be used for more positive stuff. In any event, it just sours me. Oh well... rant off.

 

[Terry@BMS]

I had to address the rest of your comments in a different post.

Can you provide me with the maps inside the ECU that show the acceleration limiter? Can you explain to me why the throttle is closing on your 1-2 shift and why ignition timing is dropping so drastic on (shifts) the 11.99 run, but not on the 12.06 run. Can you log actual torque for us in your logs, to reference the limiter vs ignition and throttle close?

I am going to go out on a limb here and say you have already logged torque limits, and you know what the problem is (throttle close and ignition pull), and refuse to acknowledge or share with the community. The magic being, E30 blended fuel. You know just as well as I, that it adds an incredible amount of knock resistance to the fuel and increases cylinder pressure. For you to talk to me, and say that my comments are laughable about the E30 not being a power advantage, its not only insulting to the community, but arguably the dumbest thing you have said to date.

The JB4 isn't limited by torque limiters because as far as the car is concerned it's always making the factory torque. All of these limiters and stops you're chasing down with your flash tuning are specific to flash tuning and have nothing to do with JB4 tuning.

Timing is always cut during high boost shifts based on the factory flash logic path & common sense, the JB4 is not disabling it. As I told you before the timing cut is so fast that if it's less than 100ms it may not always be picked up in logs.

Throttle starts to close when boost is over target, the more over target you go, the more closure you get. It's going over target slightly on the launch due to wheel spin off the line, which causes the ECU to reduce the target dynamically. On runs with better traction it doesn't.

For those vehicles equipped with primary cat deletes, it's much easier to get boost over target especially in cold weather. As we can't directly lower the WGDC yet. But we've found other ways to tune around it for now. Ultimately though I want to get that EWG control active as it's going to take what we can do to the next level.

 

[ryan1stinger]

Sorry about the delays, I have not been in my tuning email for a few weeks now. I will check today and get everything taken care of.

Thanks John. Just wanted to share my feedback. All is good and will report back on my 1/4 mile time with the new intakes

 

[brancky3]

At least we don't have 3 sets of failed turbos to the list of tuning accomplishments. JB4 owns all those records

Uhhh, proof? I haven't seen any failures yet.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Uhhh, proof? I haven't seen any failures yet.

Yup they are on the Facebook stinger groups. 2 that I know of that have now blown turbos and had JB4 as a mod. Im assuming from too much boost. We are still waiting for final confirmation on the one that was reported yesterday, but it seems he is afraid of KIA service techs or someone else is requesting to remove his posts for now and hide things for now.

 

[brancky3]

Yup they are on the Facebook stinger groups. 2 that I know of that have now blown turbos and had JB4 as a mod. Im assuming from too much boost. We are still waiting for final confirmation on the one that was reported yesterday, but it seems he is afraid of KIA service techs or someone else is requesting to remove his posts for now and hide things for now.

I'm on the Facebook stinger groups too and haven't seen any. The one posted yesterday was the guy from NYC bitching that he should have never bought the car and has been trying to sell it for months. I bet he hit something and cracked his oil pan... That Anthony guy that posted the dyno with white smoke pouring out of his exhaust found out that his timing cover gasket failed, not his turbos. Who's the other one?

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

I'm on the Facebook stinger groups too and haven't seen any. The one posted yesterday was the guy from NYC bitching that he should have never bought the car and has been trying to sell it for months. I bet he hit something and cracked his oil pan... That Anthony guy that posted the dyno with white smoke pouring out of his exhaust found out that his timing cover gasket failed, not his turbos. Who's the other one?

Im sorry one was timing cover gaskets, water pump seals/gaskets, Crank Seal and more all from too much boost. Something that a OTS Piggyback could never account for since its 1 size fits all.

The other one had claims originally of blown turbos from too much boost, but it was deleted rather quickly and then he claimed he never had a JB4. I was told that he is afraid a local kia service tech would see it and he would have issues.

There was even a funny acronym he posted

Jb4 = Just Blown 4life.

 

[Kamauxx]

At least we don't have 3 sets of failed turbos to the list of tuning accomplishments. JB4 owns all those records

I'm not taking sides in this dick swangas contest, but just out of curiosity is Tonka the only customer you've tuned so far?

 

[TorkMe]

It's my fault, I need to stop reading this thread. It has become a "who's d*ck is bigger" thing. It really sours me on trying a piggy, a tune, a "insert something else here" period. I mean it would be nice if both tuners would just shut the f*ck up about "my record this", "my customer service that", and the "blah blah". How about you answer emails, work on your tunes/piggy/etc, and build a better product for the Stinger community?! If you love what you do (creating a performance product for cars...) do that. I figure the time you are spending talking sh*t on our site is wasting lots of time that could be used for more positive stuff. In any event, it just sours me. Oh well... rant off.

I agree, however... I will not let Terry attack me or our products. If he even insinuates that we are mentally handicapped, or refers to my mental states of being unstable, I will also reply to those posts. It sucks, because Terry builds his customer base on throwing insults at his competitors, not only in the Stinger market, but also the VW, Audi and BMW markets. Its is business model.

 

[TorkMe]

I'm not taking sides in this dick swangas contest, but just out of curiosity is Tonka the only customer you've tuned so far?

No, we have tuned "100's" of customers

 

[Kamauxx]

No, we have tuned "100's" of customers

Sorry, I.should have been more specific. Is he the only Stinger tuned customer so far?