Lets talk tuning, piggy back vs ECU flash.

[Tonkabob]

@TorkMe, I’ll also add that without the fuel wires I’m very Lean up to 14-16mph (15.04 range and then everything moves into a much better 11.5-12 range from there out.

Where is the ECU tune transitioning to the safer AFR range? Trying to figure out how much faster the ECU intercepts that WOT punch.

From my logs and charts I've already posted my car goes to 12 as soon as you are wot. Just a tiny bit higher prior. Remember we dont get wot until around 10 mph.

 

[TwinSnails]

I’m still impressed by the flat AFR curve. Your speed is actually a little quicker in the midrange, slight parable effect vs my linear one (ie: you are faster in that midrange area.

Nice graph

 

[TorkMe]

What does it all mean Tork team!!!!! Lol. Can you focus on figuring out how I can flash to stock from home already -_-

Port flashing from home is going to take a while. A long while. I have a company that is willing to start development on it, $40,000 is needed. Do I start a Gofund me page, or does everyone want to chip in?

The idle map I posted shows that we can change the idle points of the car. The other maps I gave a breif explaination of what they do. Do you want more detail?

 

[TorkMe]

I’m confused ... what does this actually mean ? Can you adjust shift points ?? Can you provide a little detail for us normal people lol ......

Yes, it would appear that I can change the minimum kph shift point. Make it hold a gear a little longer like sport mode.

The idea that I am working on is this. Change the settings so that comfort mode is sport mode, then make sport mode a 100 octane or E30 map. So when you go into sport mode there is a huge increase in power output due to the higher octane levels.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Port flashing from home is going to take a while. A long while. I have a company that is willing to start development on it, $40,000 is needed. Do I start a Gofund me page, or does everyone want to chip in?

The idle map I posted shows that we can change the idle points of the car. The other maps I gave a breif explaination of what they do. Do you want more detail?

$5 ^ Does this sign me up for first in line ... Man I just wish I could feel secure lol.

 

[TorkMe]

I’m quite interested in your continued discussion of what the piggyback is causing within the ECU.

One of my pet peeves is I want to see my KR (knock reduction) counts. I want to visually observe how much “large” knock corrections the car is making under WOT strain.

I don’t want to have to wonder if 5* had been pulled for shifts or lean fuel tables, or cylinder pressure, or ... you get the point.

Well...

If someone were being as transparent as they claim and actually knew what they were talking about you would have knock logging.

I am more than willing to dig deeper into the logging and ECU correction, but first, we must understand what we are looking at. When I say look at how jagged the logs look from the piggy back vs a tune log. Do you see the differences?

 

[TorkMe]

I thought it was pretty clear as well.

Don’t start a thread where the stated goal is to explain the differences between two approaches and then just say approach B is bad because of reasons that I don’t want to explain or jagged lines and approach A is better because there are tables in an ECU DB.

If you can’t explain it, fine but don’t try to act like your an expert and we’re just supposed to buy in to whatever you say.

Then, you need to ask detailed questions, so I can answer them.

If you don't understand the difference in appearance in logs, me going into detail about the ECU will be pointless.

I cannot educate those online, without knowing where their basic skill set or understanding is of engine operation.

If a person doesn't know what ignition advance is, doesn't know what EGT stands for, and AFR is a baseball stat, I will be spending countless hours educating people about the basics.

If you cannot turn on the stove, but want me to teach you how to cook, maybe we should start with more basic things?

 

[TorkMe]

$5 ^ Does this sign me up for first in line ... Man I just wish I could feel secure lol.

I wish I were finicially independent and didn't have to worry about making money

Hopefully in the next two years we see something happen with port flashing.

 

[Angel]

Yes, it would appear that I can change the minimum kph shift point. Make it hold a gear a little longer like sport mode.

The idea that I am working on is this. Change the settings so that comfort mode is sport mode, then make sport mode a 100 octane or E30 map. So when you go into sport mode there is a huge increase in power output due to the higher octane levels.

Hol lee Fock .... can you do that ?? That’s would be amazing ... so what your saying is that confort mode would be like sport mode is now and sport mode would be like a race mode on race fuel (higher octane fuel) .... my questions is this are there other things the ecu changes from confort mode to sport mode like ... trottle response , shift points , suspension settings and probably other would you be able to change those things as well ??

 

[TorkMe]

that's a problem in and of itself. If anyone doesn't understand what timing is, what it does, or how it can affect your car, they need to spend an hour or two on google/youtube, read some articles and watch some videos on the basics of car tuning. If you're going to mess with your vehicle, the very least you can do is have a basic understanding of how it works.......

Thank you!!! I didn't want to say it, for the fear that people would be upset.

 

[Sales@Tork]

Hey Matt....I thought Tork provided unlimited flashes? Or was this something just said on the other thread just because the competition provides unlimited flashes no questions asked?? FYI just so you dont say i am hating.....here the proof ....by your statement here seem like after the first time is a case by case scenario...sound a little fishy if you ask me....sound like a reason to charge when you feel like it.....I am just asking this as potential customer the statement below on the other thread clearly states you provide unlimited flashes, now you were asked the same question here by Kamauxx and it seems like the first time is free but after that is a case by case ...can you please clarify which it is ??
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Where does anything state we dont offer free flashes lol? I have to be missing something here

 

[TorkMe]

@TorkMe, I’ll also add that without the fuel wires I’m very Lean up to 14-16mph (15.04 range and then everything moves into a much better 11.5-12 range from there out.

Where is the ECU tune transitioning to the safer AFR range? Trying to figure out how much faster the ECU intercepts that WOT punch.

Note, that there is lag time in reporting to the obdII reader. With live emulation it happens much faster, so its not running lean at that point, its just taking longer to report it to the OBDII port. I think the delay is .3 to 1.0 seconds depending on on the prority of the system that is reporting the data.

Watch boost and ignition timing with your fuel curve, they should mimic each other, but fueling will have a small delay, which is very common.

Now, how fast a piggy back works to intercept and send those signals, you will have to talk with the respective manufacture of the piggy back. Also, you will need to know the priority or order of adjustments that the piggy back makes. Is it boost adjust, ignition, fuel? Or, fuel, boost ignition? Each item that is adjusted has an order of importance, or speed (hz) that it can adjust in. I am sure that most piggy backs are going to be fast, but it would be interesting to see if they are faster than the ECU processor.

 

[Sales@Tork]

I don’t know the 2 statements are a bit contradicting ... should it matter unlimited flashes is unlimited flashes no matter the scenario .... how about if your taking your car for service or work to be done and you want to be stock ??

Yes if your taking your car in for service or work to be done yes we will flash it back to stock then re flash your tune back on for free. Im trying to see where we were charging for this?

 

[Angel]

Where does anything state we dont offer free flashes lol? I have to be missing something here

Not sure what your asking .... John said that first flash is free and after that is case by case scenario ? Is this Matt ? Read the following post form Tork .... I am confused who is talking? John said you were incorrect about your statement made offering unlimited flashes .... All the info in the chat ...

 

[TorkMe]

Hol lee Fock .... can you do that ?? That’s would be amazing ... so what your saying is that confort mode would be like sport mode is now and sport mode would be like a race mode on race fuel (higher octane fuel) .... my questions is this are there other things the ecu changes from confort mode to sport mode like ... trottle response , shift points , suspension settings and probably other would you be able to change those things as well ??

It looks like we can make those changes. I have identified the individual ignition maps for every mode of operation, and air fueling for right and left banks.

Now, I have to sort theough and test the throttle maps.

Yes, I can make comfort mode sport mode and when I have the time, I will be able to identify the canbus signal (information wire to other modules on the system) and see what triggers sport and comfort modes for the suspension and sterring system.

First, we need to take that additional .2 off Tonka's Dragy time

 

[Angel]

Yes if your taking your car in for service or work to be done yes we will flash it back to stock then re flash your tune back on for free. Im trying to see where we were charging for this?

Ok cool that’s clarifies that ... good to know ....I assume we just pay shipping

 

[TorkMe]

Where does anything state we dont offer free flashes lol? I have to be missing something here

We got it taken care of, Angel is just being thrifty with his money

 

[Angel]

It looks like we can make those changes. I have identified the individual ignition maps for every mode of operation, and air fueling for right and left banks.

Now, I have to sort theough and test the throttle maps.

Yes, I can make comfort mode sport mode and when I have the time, I will be able to identify the canbus signal (information wire to other modules on the system) and see what triggers sport and comfort modes for the suspension and sterring system.

First, we need to take that additional .2 off Tonka's Dragy time

Wow that’s great news and progress if you are able to figure those things out and actually be able to make those changes effectively with anything going bad or causing other issues .... looking forward keep us updated and we’ll keep me updated lol I will be getting a tune in like 4 months or so once the winter leaves

 

[Sales@Tork]

Not sure what your asking .... John said that first flash is free and after that is case by case scenario ? Is this Matt ? Read the following post form Tork .... I am confused who is talking? John said you were incorrect about your statement made offering unlimited flashes .... All the info in the chat ...

Your confusing a reflash with a tune upgrade

 

[Angel]

We got it taken care of, Angel is just being thrifty with his money

Dawn we will see where you are at progress wise around tax time lol ... that’s when I will have enough money to drop 2k on a tune and spare ecu .... I am a penny pincher lol I have to be ... got a 4 year old and 1 year old a wife to take care off..... not to count I also help my mom as well ..... but when the time comes I will make my decision and hopefully by then you will do a group sale at least I am keeping my hopes up lol