GT 2 AWD NOT REALLY A STINGER!?!?

[Segador]

Then they should have put AS tires on it that have the same speed rating as the summers!

That would have solved the problem, and I could go back to loving my car. They will not do that though.

 

[Segador]

This is likely a liability and CYA thing... it seems everybody is suing anybody they can these days... can you imagine if a tire blowout happened with the 18" Y-rated tires at speeds higher than they are rated because the car is able to go faster than that rating? There are probably regulations on this (or will be)...

Just wanted a choice, brother. Not to be sold something, to find out it is not as advertised..

 

[davebo]

Even the 168mph is electronically limited isn't it? The summer tires on the 19" are only rated for 168, so it seems like a liability issue, and we knew beforehand the 18" set came with slower tires so this isn't surprise. What is surprising (well, not anymore at this point) is how little the dealerships know about this car and the amount of misinformation they distribute to people interested in buying one. You really shouldn't have to go on the internet, find a good website for a specific make and model of a car, and sift through literally hundreds of threads to find out all the information you should know before purchasing a vehicle. That being said I'm glad the option to do just that was available to us all

If you want it fixed I'd get a tuner that deletes the limit, but if you're actually going to drive over 140 you better put higher rated tires on first.

 

[Plainolmoo]

This is likely a liability and CYA thing... it seems everybody is suing anybody they can these days... can you imagine if a tire blowout happened with the 18" Y-rated tires at speeds higher than they are rated because the car is able to go faster than that rating? There are probably regulations on this (or will be)...

This is EXACTLY the reason why. There is no way that they will enable you to drive faster than the supplied OEM tires are rated for. That's a given, no matter what car manufacturer we're discussing. The problem is that they're not being up front about it. The solution should be, to allow the governor to be removed with the stipulation that the customer has to purchase or have a ceritified Kia service dept verify and install higher rated tires. Customer will be happy. Dealer service dept happy to be making a couple bucks for the install and Kia Corporate Lawyers happy because by agreeing to this you're waiving your right to sue in the future in case you switch back to the lower rated tires.

 

[Chris]

This is EXACTLY the reason why. There is no way that they will enable you to drive faster than the supplied OEM tires are rated for. That's a given, no matter what car manufacturer we're discussing. The problem is that they're not being up front about it. The solution should be, to allow the governor to be removed with the stipulation that the customer has to purchase or have a ceritified Kia service dept verify and install higher rated tires. Customer will be happy. Dealer service dept happy to be making a couple bucks for the install and Kia Corporate Lawyers happy because by agreeing to this you're waiving your right to sue in the future in case you switch back to the lower rated tires.

I mostly agree. Kia should offer to reflash the cars if you come in with w or above rated tires. ( Which there are all season tires rated that way, I can even order them from Walmart) I'm not sure a whole lot of other contracts need to be signed though. They don't make you sign a contract when you get the summer tires that says you will never put lower rated tires on it..

 

[Bamm1]

Then they should have put AS tires on it that have the same speed rating as the summers!

They could have picked an UHPAS tire. But I believe Audi has a contract with German tire maker Continental and they use the same A/S tire on other models. So it was likely a cost and compliance decision.

 

[English D]

And you know what's also facking B.S. when I had to take the 18's in Indiana it was a zero dollar option lol smaller rims and shit tires not even a credit for taking less.

so what I want to know is what we all can do about it

 

[Kia Stinger]

The big question in my mind is - what do other companies, like Audi, do? How do they handle this? As already mentioned in this discussion, Audi also limits the top speed depending on the rating of the tire. But, if you go in and show you're using higher rated tires - will they increase the limit? If not, then this is just business as usual...

How about Mercedes-Benz? BMW? Cadillac?

 

[redgt]

I'm guessing the big problem is you don't have this sticker...

most major tire shops will look at this at not sell a gt owner with 19's anything less than the zr tires

so with a lesser tires shipped with a lower speed rating KIA had to limit speed for their liability and your safety

however I do agree it should be much clearer that by getting 18's you are lowering your top speed

I would think your best remedy would be get your dealer and KIA to take the car back and sell you a GT AWD with 19's and then source your own winter tires. May not be the easiest thing to accomplish but being persistent and polite without being angry/threatening might just get it done

 

[Gdank]

so what I want to know is what we all can do about it

Well go back to your dealer, explain that you are unhappy that you were miss-sold on a feature, and ask them what can be done.

Contact Kia USA directly Customer Support, explain to them that the dealership said they cannot change the limiter even if you change wheels, and get confirmation of this from Kia USA (because it sounds like Dealership BS).

Then ask them what can be done?

Assuming it's not BS about the limiter, what do you want ? A replacement car with RWD and 167mph ... or some other compensation ?

Failing all that, assuming you get no where then start the rejection process on the car, listing "not as advertised".

 

[ibmaxx]

The car is electronically limited to 140 mph.

That is tantamount to lying by omission. I have long held that the three worst kind of scummy liars are insurance salesperson, traffic cop and car salesperson not necessarily in that order. As for me I could not safely drive at 140mph but that isn't the point.

 

[English D]

That is tantamount to lying by omission. I have long held that the three worst kind of scummy liars are insurance salesperson, traffic cop and car salesperson not necessarily in that order. As for me I could not safely drive at 140mph but that isn't the point.

my sales guy clearly doesn't even know I texted him this morning this was my reply I have a GT with 18's that is affected

 

[Bamm1]

The big question in my mind is - what do other companies, like Audi, do? How do they handle this? As already mentioned in this discussion, Audi also limits the top speed depending on the rating of the tire. But, if you go in and show you're using higher rated tires - will they increase the limit? If not, then this is just business as usual...

How about Mercedes-Benz? BMW? Cadillac?

Off the top of my head BMW will also limit your top speed if you select A/S tires.

BMW and Audi will not raise the top speed if you switch out the OEM A/S tires to something with a higher speed rating. If you went with A/S tires at the time of purchase an aftermarket ECU flash is the only way to remove the speed limiter.

 

[Aquadog]

140 is plenty for me I believe the German cars BMWs Mercedes are set between 140 and 150 . Before you buy your stinger I think you have the right to ask them what the speed limiter is set at . I know I’m going to just waiting for them to find A GT2 AWD in white . Did not have a real good experience driving a rear wheel drive, got a chance to take the all wheel drive out for about an hour test ride seem to stick to the road like glue way less body roll. Rear wheel drive is good if you intend on using it for drifting . So all you people who live in Snowville and are going to purchase an all-wheel-drive be sure and check the tire size. One thing that is good about the 18s you can rotate the tires that is a money saver . Good luck and God bless .

 

[English D]

140 is plenty for me I believe the German cars BMWs Mercedes are set between 140 and 150 . Before you buy your stinger I think you have the right to ask them what the speed limiter is set at . I know I’m going to just waiting for them to find A GT2 AWD in white . Did not have a real good experience driving a rear wheel drive, got a chance to take the all wheel drive out for about an hour test ride seem to stick to the road like glue way less body roll rear Wheel drive is good if you intend on using it for drifting . So all you people who live in Snowville and are going to purchase a all-wheel-drive be sure and check the tire size, one thing that is good about the 18s you can rotate the tires that is a money saver . Good luck and God bless .

I hate to keep going around and around but we were not notified of this fact and were lead to believe from the press and Kia marketing that the top speed was higher, if we're given the chance would not have settled for the model that is governed I wanted the 19's but in my state 19's was not offered and we were not notified about this situation and clearly the dealers did not include this info

 

[davebo]

But surely you noticed the car had 18"s when you bought it? They just didn't disclose that it was electronically limited to 140 beforehand, and the reason was the rating for the tires that are on the car. Would you have really wanted staggered wheels on the AWD version?

 

[Chris]

But surely you noticed the car had 18"s when you bought it? They just didn't disclose that it was electronically limited to 140 beforehand, and the reason was the rating for the tires that are on the car. Would you have really wanted staggered wheels on the AWD version?

I would, even not knowing they cut the top speed. I think they look better.

 

[davebo]

Yeah I managed to dent a wheel in a pothole even with my Optima's 18's so I'm a little nervous about moving to 19. I'd probably prefer if I could get 18s but in the staggered setup so the rear wheels are still wider. Of course I'd love to have the ability to rotate them normally but I'm looking forward to the performance of the stock setup the first few years, after which if I want to cheap out I can take a slight performance hit and use the enkei 18 225's I have on it.

 

[Aquadog]

I hate to keep going around and around but we were not notified of this fact and were lead to believe from the press and Kia marketing that the top speed was higher, if we're given the chance would not have settled for the model that is governed I wanted the 19's but in my state 19's was not offered and we were not notified about this situation and clearly the dealers did not include this info

I totally understand your frustration, it happened to me with the lease on my 2015 genesis. Long story short two years into driving the Genesis a Mercedes CLA 250 went by and I was going to catch him got up to 106 in the speed limiter kicked in. From that moment on I knew there any other car that I would get I would find out what the speed limit or was set at if you don't know could be very dangerous when passing someone . I feel it is definitely a safety issue if you don't know your limitations. This is the first time I have been on any kind of forum I thank you and all the other people who participate in this, these fourms are a wealth of knowledge . If anyone knows of anybody who is wanting to buy or lease a stinger or any other automobile I suggest you tell them to go to a forum on that particular model . Thanks again .

 

[StingerChick]

But surely you noticed the car had 18"s when you bought it? They just didn't disclose that it was electronically limited to 140 beforehand, and the reason was the rating for the tires that are on the car. Would you have really wanted staggered wheels on the AWD version?

I noticed it questioned it and not one thing was said about my car not preforming as they marketed it. Like everyone said my call today was smoke blowed up my but! I may have went with another car if I knew I was castrated from the start. My sticker just said optional wheels included.