G70 out sold Kia Stinger in Korea

[Jayce]

Do you really use those apps? I can't think of any situation where I'd really need any of that kind of functionality. I personally have no reason to remote start my car (since this is a) forbidden here due to crappy exhaust gases in a cold engine and b) because low cold revs hurt the engine and won't heat it up fast enough). The only use I could see is GPC lcoating your stolen car (but for that it would need a SIMcarded GPS unit onboard).

I do. I use it almost daily. I decided I wasn't buying a neutered Stinger so I leased a GMC Terrain Denali because my Kia Optima lease was about up. I love the fact that I can control my vehicle from an app. My plan is to buy another car next year in addition to my Terrain and at the rate Kia is going, it will not be a Stinger. Really thinking the G70 is going to have more of what I want. As much as I like speed, I like all of the tech just as much.

 

[Clearly Canadian]

I’ll just say that when it’s so cold your face hurts, and there’s a ten minute walk from the office to your car, there’s a strong incentive to climb into a warm car rather than a freezing one. I’ll take my chances with the remote start.

 

[Bigserver1]

More than likely the G70 will have the items missing from the Stinger, like 360 Camera, Wireless Charging, and Heated Rear seats, to sadly name a few. If its not at least $5k more, I predict it will outsell the Stinger here too, especially if better lease deals. Genesis looks to be building up the G70 as their halo product to help launch the brand as separate dealerships across the country.

It may look plain Jane but thats what was said about the previous gen Toyota Camry and Honda Accord, both sold tons for that reason alone. It may look like an Infiniti Q50 but I would take a G70 over the Q50 on the infotainment system alone. Night and day difference and is usually one of the main complaints in Infiniti forums about the Q50 and usually rated the worst infotainment system of all automakers.

Again I love my Stinger but it just pisses me off about lack of a sophisticate mobile app or at-least the same as the K900, paying for Nav upgrades, and shortened XM trial. All these items KIA could have included and I seriously doubt its based on cost alone. I'm sure auto makers get a huge discount when bought in bulk of Nav updates and XM packages. And Canada has the most expensive cell service compared to the US yet KIA offers a mobile app system with remote start there, using that same cell service. More than likely again at a discounted rate bought in bulk.

I feel like a broken record here, but there is no way the G70 is going to be 5k more than the Stinger in the US. I would anticipate that the stinger GT2 and the top end G70 are going to be comparably priced. 50k for RWD, 52 for AWD.

The reason I say this is due to G80 pricing. The G80 sport with the same 3.3 TT engine is $56/58K for RWD/AWD, and while that car doesn’t have a limited slip diff or Brembos, it does have a ton more passenger space, rear passenger and rear window sunshades, a true pano roof, the lexicon sound system, a bigger infotainment display, power trunk, plus the features missing from the US stinger (360, wireless, alcantara, heated rear seats).

If the G70 is going to be 50k, it will lay waste to the stinger sales wise in the US, especially when you factor in the Genesis service valet/cost of ownership. That will be really sad, since the stinger is the better looking, more exciting car.

 

[bluecatsup]

Kia needs to fire the sales guys of the USA branch and hire some Canadians instead.

I've read in one of the news threads that Canada pres coming to USA so you're in luck.

 

[xot1]

Looks like someone just bought a red G70 in my appartment building.

 

[Bamm1]

I feel like a broken record here, but there is no way the G70 is going to be 5k more than the Stinger in the US. I would anticipate that the stinger GT2 and the top end G70 are going to be comparably priced. 50k for RWD, 52 for AWD.

The reason I say this is due to G80 pricing. The G80 sport with the same 3.3 TT engine is $56/58K for RWD/AWD, and while that car doesn’t have a limited slip diff or Brembos, it does have a ton more passenger space, rear passenger and rear window sunshades, a true pano roof, the lexicon sound system, a bigger infotainment display, power trunk, plus the features missing from the US stinger (360, wireless, alcantara, heated rear seats).

If the G70 is going to be 50k, it will lay waste to the stinger sales wise in the US, especially when you factor in the Genesis service valet/cost of ownership. That will be really sad, since the stinger is the better looking, more exciting car.

My best guess puts the G70 Sport HTRAC pricing (my additional guess at the top trim name) slightly over (if not exactly the same as) the Stinger GT2 AWD Atlantica limited edition. The exclusive launch video for the Atlantica states there should not be a substantial increase in msrp over the regular GT2. So l think you are correct with it being priced under the G80 Sport. If it matches the "amenities and options" of the Atlantica but adds free 3 year maintanence, Genesis Intelligent Assistant App, XM Traffic & Travel Link, free Nav updates, Smart Posture Control System, LSD w/ AWD, et al, at around the same price, I think you will likely end up being correct.

 

[xot1]

Today I finished work late and the blue G70 was also there, so I parked next to it and took few shots.
BTW my car is super filthy after being in the rain and a long drive during the week end.

Front


Rear


Noticeable difference in wheel base from the side.


EDIT: Ignore the wheelbase comment. I noticed that I didnt go back completely.

 

[Bamm1]

Today I finished work late and the blue G70 was also there, so I parked next to it and took few shots.
BTW my car is super filthy after being in the rain and a long drive during the week end.

Front
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Rear
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Noticeable difference in wheel base from the side.
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EDIT: Ignore the wheelbase comment. I noticed that I didnt go back completely.

Thanks for posting this!

 

[Stinger73]

And maybe this is why KIA is pushing the advertising of the Stinger so much lately. So they can sell as much as possible before the G70 extremely hurts it's sales. If it is about the same price as a Stinger than the Stinger sales will suffer. Beating a dead horse, as I predicted before the G70 will outsell it here too. Yet it doesn't take a Nostradamus to see this coming just a Nostradumbass running KMA marketing.

KIA could have done several things to keep that from happening here but it appears the marketing department at KMA is not too bright. After seeing that episode of West Coast Customs about the KIA Stinger with the head of marketing I can see why there are issues here. The guy doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed and probably would have trouble marketing a lemonade stand. Hopefully KIA will see his short sightliness and get someone who knows what they are doing. Or maybe its KIA management making these horrible decisions, either way just shooting themselves in the foot not including a lot of things other countries got with their Stingers.

 

[YEH]

The G70 was designed from the start to be a luxury car and KIA held back some to ensure the G70 does well. I’m sure they also limited production of the Stinger because it not like there are Stingers sitting around in dealer inventory and not being sold. While the Stinger does well as is, performance wise, it lacks the level of luxury the Genesis brand has and the G70 was designed to go head to head with the 3 Series. The Stinger is an excercise in ‘look at what we can do”, the G70 is there to build out the Genesis brand’s lineup. Don’t worry, KIA is seeing how much demand there is for the car and will begin to add more, although I feel they will still do less vehicles to help the Genesis brand succeed.

Don't think Kia held anything back due to what Genesis was doing w/ the G70, but rather held back (mostly w/ respect to the interior) due to what they thought they could realistically charge.

After all, most Kia models have nicer interiors than their corresponding Hyundai counterpart (compare the interior of the Cadenza to that of the Azera; the newer Grandeur, which we didn't get, has closed the gap) and Kia offers the SX-L trim on its non-luxury models which is more luxurious than anything Hyundai offers.

The Stinger, for the most part, has a nicer interior than what the original Hyundai Genesis had w/ the Stinger's starting price of $32k being pretty much where the starting price of the Genesis was about a decade ago (the key diff. being that the base engine in the Stinger is a turbo 4 as opposed to a NA V6) - which isn't bad considering that there is more tech on base model these days.

One area (re the interior) where the G70 surpasses the Stinger is that everything that looks like metal is metal (and not silver painted plastic) which I was highly critical of for the Genesis and Equus.

All touch points should be made of nice feeling materials.

Apparently, that wasn't necessarily going to be the case for the G70 until someone working on the project insisted that be the case (so in certain respects, the interior of the G70 is nicer than its larger sibling, the current G80).

According to some "insider" reports, Kia and Hyundai-Genesis are sort-of siblings like Cadillac and Buick. They each own part of the other and have some kind of non-competitive agreement (probably a bad way of putting it) so that one does not exactly duplicate the products of the other in direct competition even though they share many common resources.

They actually do see each other as competitors - which is only natural as they compete against each other in most segments.

There are segments, however, where Kia zigged, instead of zagged.

Such as going w/ a box-ute (Soul) instead of a hatch (Veloster) or the Niro instead of doing a liftback bodystyle as Hyundai did w/ the Ioniq (Hyundai is developing their own EV crossover).

The Stinger came about b/c Schreyer just happened to pen the GT concept - which got an overwhelming response from the automotive press, which along, w/ Schreyer, pushing for it, convinced Kia to go ahead w/ the production model.

Not sure if Schreyer consciously penned the GT to be of a diff. bodystyle and a tweener in size to differentiate it from the G70 (at the time, he wasn't the head of design for Hyundai, so probably had little info. on the G70), but as it turned out, the Stinger is differentiated from the G70 (and G80) in both body-style and size.

The outgoing K900 is also a tweener in size, but it seems like the new model has grown where it may be close to the G90 in length.

Sure, same reason why someone would choose a Lexus over Toyota, Acura over Honda, and so on. It's perceived luxury. Tell me what the sales figures were like when it was called the Hyundai Genesis - I'm sure people were hesitant to be paying that kind of money for a Hyundai, regardless of the specs. I can see the same here with the Stinger. The average Kia consumer has price expectations when they go into a Kia dealership, ie. Stinger, Cadenza, K900 prices are out of scope. I see the average Kia consumer as someone buying a Soul, Forte, entry level Optima.

You know Kia is toying with the idea of a luxury line, hence the use of the "E" badge. The Korean market is the starting point, but it'll eventually roll out to all regions. Stinger and K900 will be in that class, but they may throw in the Cadenza as well.

The Hyundai Genesis and Equus were highly successful in Korea, but like in Japan, luxury models (aside from Lexus) tend to be their own sub-brands w/ their own distinct badging.

As for here, the Genesis actually sold better when it was a Hyundai as opposed to being rebranded the G80.

Now, a lot of that had to do w/ the lower price-point when it was sold as a Hyundai, w/ the price gradually increasing over the years and then increasing a good bit when it became a Genesis (in large part to price-in the service amenities such as loaners, complimentary maintenance, valet service, etc. - those things aren't free).

Wouldn't take too much from the fact that the G70 outsells the Stinger in Korea as Hyundai/Genesis typically outsells Kia in the Korean market - and in most markets as well (as Hyundai has greater production capacity and is seen as the more established brand).

In the US, it likely will be a different story (depending on how Genesis USA prices the G70) for a certain amount of time as the slow roll out of Genesis dealerships will put a crimp on not just G70 sales, but for the G80 and G90.

Even with the full complement of 100 or so Genesis dealerships. that will put a crimp on Genesis sales as some markets (such as South Carolina) won't be getting a Genesis dealership.

Not that Stinger sales are bad, but they probably would be even higher if there still weren't Kia dealerships asking for a premium over MSRP (esp. for rare color combos), if Kia USA had simply priced the Stinger closer to what Canada did, among other things.

 

[Euljiro1ga]

Wouldn't take too much from the fact that the G70 outsells the Stinger in Korea as Hyundai/Genesis typically outsells Kia in the Korean market - and in most markets as well (as Hyundai has greater production capacity and is seen as the more established brand).

This is not the case anymore.

'Little Brother' Kia Beats Hyundai In Korean Car Sales For First Time

 

[Stinger73]

This is not the case anymore.

'Little Brother' Kia Beats Hyundai In Korean Car Sales For First Time

The link doesn't go to what is stated.....

 

[Stinger73]

Don't think Kia held anything back due to what Genesis was doing w/ the G70, but rather held back (mostly w/ respect to the interior) due to what they thought they could realistically charge.

After all, most Kia models have nicer interiors than their corresponding Hyundai counterpart (compare the interior of the Cadenza to that of the Azera; the newer Grandeur, which we didn't get, has closed the gap) and Kia offers the SX-L trim on its non-luxury models which is more luxurious than anything Hyundai offers.

The Stinger, for the most part, has a nicer interior than what the original Hyundai Genesis had w/ the Stinger's starting price of $32k being pretty much where the starting price of the Genesis was about a decade ago (the key diff. being that the base engine in the Stinger is a turbo 4 as opposed to a NA V6) - which isn't bad considering that there is more tech on base model these days.

One area (re the interior) where the G70 surpasses the Stinger is that everything that looks like metal is metal (and not silver painted plastic) which I was highly critical of for the Genesis and Equus.

All touch points should be made of nice feeling materials.

Apparently, that wasn't necessarily going to be the case for the G70 until someone working on the project insisted that be the case (so in certain respects, the interior of the G70 is nicer than its larger sibling, the current G80).




They actually do see each other as competitors - which is only natural as they compete against each other in most segments.

There are segments, however, where Kia zigged, instead of zagged.

Such as going w/ a box-ute (Soul) instead of a hatch (Veloster) or the Niro instead of doing a liftback bodystyle as Hyundai did w/ the Ioniq (Hyundai is developing their own EV crossover).

The Stinger came about b/c Schreyer just happened to pen the GT concept - which got an overwhelming response from the automotive press, which along, w/ Schreyer, pushing for it, convinced Kia to go ahead w/ the production model.

Not sure if Schreyer consciously penned the GT to be of a diff. bodystyle and a tweener in size to differentiate it from the G70 (at the time, he wasn't the head of design for Hyundai, so probably had little info. on the G70), but as it turned out, the Stinger is differentiated from the G70 (and G80) in both body-style and size.

The outgoing K900 is also a tweener in size, but it seems like the new model has grown where it may be close to the G90 in length.




The Hyundai Genesis and Equus were highly successful in Korea, but like in Japan, luxury models (aside from Lexus) tend to be their own sub-brands w/ their own distinct badging.

As for here, the Genesis actually sold better when it was a Hyundai as opposed to being rebranded the G80.

Now, a lot of that had to do w/ the lower price-point when it was sold as a Hyundai, w/ the price gradually increasing over the years and then increasing a good bit when it became a Genesis (in large part to price-in the service amenities such as loaners, complimentary maintenance, valet service, etc. - those things aren't free).

Wouldn't take too much from the fact that the G70 outsells the Stinger in Korea as Hyundai/Genesis typically outsells Kia in the Korean market - and in most markets as well (as Hyundai has greater production capacity and is seen as the more established brand).

In the US, it likely will be a different story (depending on how Genesis USA prices the G70) for a certain amount of time as the slow roll out of Genesis dealerships will put a crimp on not just G70 sales, but for the G80 and G90.

Even with the full complement of 100 or so Genesis dealerships. that will put a crimp on Genesis sales as some markets (such as South Carolina) won't be getting a Genesis dealership.

Not that Stinger sales are bad, but they probably would be even higher if there still weren't Kia dealerships asking for a premium over MSRP (esp. for rare color combos), if Kia USA had simply priced the Stinger closer to what Canada did, among other things.

"Don't think Kia held anything back due to what Genesis was doing w/ the G70, but rather held back (mostly w/ respect to the interior) due to what they thought they could realistically charge."

Realistically Charge?! Obviously they can realistically charge the same price or less in other markets that have a Stinger with more features than the US...

The Hyundai Motor Group which incorporates both companies as they own a part of each other with Hyundai owning more of Kia than Kia owns of Hyundai. So it makes logical sense for them to decontent the Stinger to make the G70 look more luxurious in the US as it has nothing to do with costs, that is just an excuse.

Hyundai has created a new brand with Genesis and more than likely trying to build the brand up with the G70 along with them starting the N Performance with Albert Biermann (Who engineered the Stinger) heading it. To me it appears Hyundai comes first...

"Now, a lot of that had to do w/ the lower price-point when it was sold as a Hyundai, w/ the price gradually increasing over the years and then increasing a good bit when it became a Genesis (in large part to price-in the service amenities such as loaners, complimentary maintenance, valet service, etc. - those things aren't free)."

How are they not free when Genesis states "Complimentary" and I can't find anything revealing hidden charges, if there are any. Is there something stating otherwise, if so please share....

 

[JustThatPenguin]

Honestly, everything about the genesis sounds better to me than the stinger except for the hatch. I need the hatch in my life. Can't have just a regular trunk. If the genesis released the hatch, I would sell my stinger for it.

 

[xot1]

Honestly, everything about the genesis sounds better to me than the stinger except for the hatch. I need the hatch in my life. Can't have just a regular trunk. If the genesis released the hatch, I would sell my stinger for it.

The hatch
The design (no head turner)
The rear seats (no adult can sit comfortably there)

 

[YEH]

This is not the case anymore.

'Little Brother' Kia Beats Hyundai In Korean Car Sales For First Time

Which is why I stated typically.

Btw, Kia outselling Hyundai domestically in 2016 didn't include commercial sales; since then, probably have been months where Kia has outsold Hyundai including commercial sales.

But much of that has to do w/ timing - when certain models get replaced and there is a lag in sales or is due to the somewhat different mix of models offered by Kia (for instance, Kia has the Sedona minivan which is popular).

But (again) typically, where the 2 compete head-to-head, the Hyundai counterpart outsells the Kia.

One of the few exceptions was w/ the previous gen Optima - which at times outsold the Sonata.

The Korean market wasn't keen on the overly busy design of the Sonata and the Optima was also just the all-around better of the 2 models.

Currently, the Sorento is outselling the SWB Santa Fe, but the SF is at the end of its life-cycle and is about to be replaced by the all-new SF.

Hyundai is once again outselling Kia (including the Sonata outselling the Optima) - led by the Grandeur (which would have been the new Azera here) which has been the best selling model in Korea.

The Cadenza is a good bit better than the discontinued (here) Azera, but the Cadenza never came close to being the #1 selling model over there.

Also, the Equus sold a good bit better than the K9/K900 and its replacement, the EQ900/G90 has been a runaway success for Hyundai in its domestic market (getting 4,300 pre-orders within 24 hours and over 10k within a week).

Kia's goal for the new K9 is 20k in domestic sales, but think that's a pretty optimistic goal.

Hyundai (and now Genesis) has been far more established in the luxury market with the Genesis/G80 and Equus/EQ900 (than Kia with the K9) - so the G70 is an easier sell - having had its larger siblings blaze the trail, so to speak.

"Don't think Kia held anything back due to what Genesis was doing w/ the G70, but rather held back (mostly w/ respect to the interior) due to what they thought they could realistically charge."

Realistically Charge?! Obviously they can realistically charge the same price or less in other markets that have a Stinger with more features than the US...

Yes, there's some variance in pricing depending on markets, but Kia (like Hyundai before it w/ the original Genesis sedan) tempered what they did for the interior to keep pricing down.

Along the same lines, it's the reason why the interiors in the ATS/CTS, Jaguar XE/XF and Alfa Giuiia aren't quite up to par - w/ those automakers having spend more of their R&D $$ into the architecture/platform or powertrains.

Kia also had to make some compromises as the Stinger is not only larger/longer than the G70, but the fastback bodystyle w/ the hatch requires more structural bracing and is more expensive to manufacture (which is why the 4 Series Gran Coupe and the A5/S5 are a good bit more expensive than their 4-door counterparts).

The Hyundai Motor Group which incorporates both companies as they own a part of each other with Hyundai owning more of Kia than Kia owns of Hyundai. So it makes logical sense for them to decontent the Stinger to make the G70 look more luxurious in the US as it has nothing to do with costs, that is just an excuse.

Hyundai Motor has around a 33% stake in Kia Motors.

Kia, in turn, has varying stake-holds in a number of Hyundai subsidiaries (including the steel mill where both have an ownership stake), but it's unclear if Kia Motors has a direct stake in Hyundai Motors.

Either way, that's immaterial.

Hyundai does not dictate to Kia what models they are to develop or to what level they can appoint the interiors.

Again, why would Kia decontent the Stinger to make the G70 look more luxurious when most Kia models have better interiors than their Hyundai counterparts (and that's not even including the premium upgrade offered by the SX-L trim for which Hyundai has no counterpart)?

The interiors of the SX-L trims of the Sorento, Optima and Cadenza blow away the interiors of the Santa Fe Sport, Sonata and Azera.

Why isn't Hyundai concerned about that?

And the interior of the new K9/K900 looks to be at least on par w/ that of the G90 (the outgoing K9/K900, imo, actually having a better interior than the Equus).

Hyundai has created a new brand with Genesis and more than likely trying to build the brand up with the G70 along with them starting the N Performance with Albert Biermann (Who engineered the Stinger) heading it. To me it appears Hyundai comes first...

Not disagreeing that Hyundai usually gets first dibs when it comes to new platforms or powertrains, but again, they don't direct Kia in the type of models they can develop or what level of amenities or appointment they can offer.

For example, not only does the Sportage have a nicer interior than the Tucson, the Sportage is available w/ the 2.0T whereas the Tucson tops out w/ the 1.6T (now, the Tucson will be getting an N-variant, but that's a recent development and the N performance line was just an idea when the current Tucson and Sportage were being developed).

"Now, a lot of that had to do w/ the lower price-point when it was sold as a Hyundai, w/ the price gradually increasing over the years and then increasing a good bit when it became a Genesis (in large part to price-in the service amenities such as loaners, complimentary maintenance, valet service, etc. - those things aren't free)."

How are they not free when Genesis states "Complimentary" and I can't find anything revealing hidden charges, if there are any. Is there something stating otherwise, if so please share....

Such amenities are not free b/c they are priced into the MSRP!

That complimentary maintenance that BMW touts isn't really free, nor are such things such as complimentary loaners, etc.

That's the reason why the Genesis sedan was more of a bargain (in comparison to its competition) than the Equus - as the Equus had the service amenities (such as valet service) priced into its MSRP.

Once the G80 started getting similar amenities w/ the start of the Genesis brand, the price of the G80 went up.

 

[bluecatsup]

G70 just introduced in new york auto show

I also just found this video today of Genesis exec answering questions about the G70 and more

I am honestly cross-shopping the G70 and Stinger as I like the speedier and luxury perks of the Genesis (in Canada its 5 year free maintenance without having to drive to a dealer), but I really like practicality of the hatchback and the soul of the Stinger especially on a cheaper price tag. The head says G70 but the heart says Stinger

 

[Euljiro1ga]

So it's official, the Hyundai/Kia USA saved all the features they took out of the Stinger and put all of them in the G70. Corporate greed, but who can blame them, right?

 

[xot1]

So it's official, the Hyundai/Kia USA saved all the features they took out of the Stinger and put all of them in the G70. Corporate greed, but who can blame them, right?

I guess they removed the features from the Stinger because they are afraid their G70 would not sell. So the options removed in the US market are a Hyundai group doing more than Kia.

 

[Euljiro1ga]

I guess they removed the features from the Stinger because they are afraid their G70 would not sell.

definitely. full-featured Stinger for 3-4k less then the G70 is gonna be hard to beat.