Difference Between 2022 GT-Line and 2022 GT1

[DTD]

I think both the 2022 GT-line and GT1 look nice. My question does anyone have any experience in the performance between these 2 cars. Has anyone here driven them both to really see what the difference is. I have seen what the performance times are supposed to be but I have not actually seen any instrument test of the 2022 GT-line. C&D and Motor trend have articles but neither has instrument tested the car they just say the times that KIA tells everyone. The Sonata N line and the K5 GT have been instrument tested so why not the 2022 GT-line Stinger. The times the car mags give are usually faster than the real world performance especially C&D. The engine tuning is pretty close to what is in the Sonata N-line and the K5 GT just 10 more HP in the Stinger but I think the Stinger is heavier than both.

 

[RM7]

I find the GT-line needs to be in "sport" to have any sporty feel with the engine. When in sport, I'm pretty satisfied. Comfort or "smart" is fine for going around town at times or big highway stuff when you don't have to do any passing, but it's a huge difference in throttle response between the settings. The transmission does an admirable job in sport too, it's definitely making me think it is on par with the ZF8 in the BMW. Even on higher performance cars with more HP and torque, it's difficult to get performance throttle response and no lag in their "normal" settings. This was the same for my BMW. The GT-line seems to run out of gas a lot more around 100mph. It's still accelerating, but it's pretty subdued at that point. This makes sense to me, as when you have a lot more torque and HP behind you, it's that higher speed acceleration where you are going to notice the difference. In other words, 300 vs 400hp to 60mph isn't a big difference, or 1/8th mile time and speed (again, in sport with the proper throttle response). But the 1/4 trap speeds become very different and at those speeds the higher HP car will keep pulling for a while, vs. the much more anemic performance of the lower HP/tq one.

The 2022 is pretty new still, a lot of sites haven't been updated for the 2022 models yet, so some of this is not surprising.

A lot of the GT-line cars seem to come with the sun-n-sound package, which brings a few of the interior features closer to the GT2, like the premium speakers.

There's really no replacement for having all the power and torque of a twin turbo V6 on tap, even with what I said above, there's still going to be a dramatic difference. If you want to feel some acceleration from a stop, both cars will do well. If you want to feel max acceleration from 70mph, the GT-line will go, but the GT1 will feel much faster here. The flip side of this a turbo AWD car can be a lot of fun at speeds less than 70, in terms of rate of acceleration and putting the power down. This is one of the reasons my WRX was so much fun, because anywhere at any time you could put all the power down and just "go". From slower speeds, that was going to usually be faster than most other cars, due to the short gears and ability to put that power down. At the faster speeds, it was pretty out of breath...but then those are generally the "highly illegal" speeds...

 

[JSolo]

^^Well put. Hard to justify the $15K+ (?) price tag difference for a performance gain you'll use a handful of times a year. Unless you live in the middle of nowhere which offers the opportunity to open it up. In an urban setting that's just not possible. I didn't care much for awd either (and probably still don't), but in the midwest we're forced to get it. RWD is few and far between.

I'm slowly discovering sports mode myself. Stays in lower gears and hold 'em longer. Perfect for passing or those on/off ramps. 100 Mph? Not around here. Way too much traffic.

Hell, today I honked at a guy for stopping midway through a turn on a left turn arrow because the car on the opposite side of the street had pulled up and was waiting to turn into the same direction. This jack@ss was too busy stuffing face with a cigarette to pay attention.

 

[RM7]

^^Well put. Hard to justify the $15K+ (?) price tag difference for a performance gain you'll use a handful of times a year. Unless you live in the middle of nowhere which offers the opportunity to open it up. In an urban setting that's just not possible. I didn't care much for awd either (and probably still don't), but in the midwest we're forced to get it. RWD is few and far between.

I'm slowly discovering sports mode myself. Stays in lower gears and hold 'em longer. Perfect for passing or those on/off ramps. 100 Mph? Not around here. Way too much traffic.

Hell, today I honked at a guy for stopping midway through a turn on a left turn arrow because the car on the opposite side of the street had pulled up and was waiting to turn into the same direction. This jack@ss was too busy stuffing face with a cigarette to pay attention.

It's also kind of different strokes for different folks. Now with the sways and new wheels/tires, I can take an inside line and accelerate through that line while turning, like the inside lane of a 90 degree turn. That was not nearly as possible/stable before and trying to do it would cut power since the car would start to slip and get unsettled. The GT1 won't suck at this, but the GT1 power wouldn't make the difference in this situation either. But accelerating, more power in a GT1 will be noticeable for sure. There was a good video put out recently where both were driven back to back. I think both need to be in sport mode for the duration to really get the best sense, but it was a good comparison.

 

[DTD]

It's also kind of different strokes for different folks. Now with the sways and new wheels/tires, I can take an inside line and accelerate through that line while turning, like the inside lane of a 90 degree turn. That was not nearly as possible/stable before and trying to do it would cut power since the car would start to slip and get unsettled. The GT1 won't suck at this, but the GT1 power wouldn't make the difference in this situation either. But accelerating, more power in a GT1 will be noticeable for sure. There was a good video put out recently where both were driven back to back. I think both need to be in sport mode for the duration to really get the best sense, but it was a good comparison.

So it kind of sounds by the response all 3 of you gave is the difference in power may not be useable in the everyday driving conditions? If the GT line does'nt run out of steam until 100 or so that is pretty good. So far I have not driven 100 in my current car although I could easily do it, I just think there is to much of a risk of getting a big ticket.

 

[RM7]

So it kind of sounds by the response all 3 of you gave is the difference in power may not be useable in the everyday driving conditions? If the GT line does'nt run out of steam until 100 or so that is pretty good. So far I have not driven 100 in my current car although I could easily do it, I just think there is to much of a risk of getting a big ticket.

I don't think that's completely accurate though. It depends on how you drive and how much punch you want to feel. My definition of "running out of steam" is completely subjective to what I believe is enough acceleration rate. It may not be the same for other people. It doesn't mean that all of a sudden at 100 it stops, but don't take this to mean that it's "neck and neck" with a GT1 to 100, because it isn't.

 

[JSolo]

A decade ago I wouldn't (and didn't) think twice about going with high power 6 cyl. Now, entering more seasoned adulthood (how do I say this without revealing my age ). The need for immediate speed isn't there any more. 99% of my driving is urban, not worth it to me for the handful of times I could take real advantage of it.

Only you know yourself best and what you want. Be realistic. If you have any doubts get what you want so there's no regrets.

 

[General_Vodka]

The old 2 point slow was underwhelming in the stinger. Haven't driven the new 2.5 but have heard good first-hand remarks. As for what car you want to get, it's up to you. If you want to mod it then GT hands down. if leaving it stock then gt line may fit your needs better. Currently I am around 400hp and 500tq to the wheels right now and no way would I be happy with something less lol. Just test drive both if you can, that will help out a lot. RWD vs AWD, gt line vs gt. i am sure you can convince a local dealer. I didnt go with awd because I like fun more than straight line speed plus I live in Cali. As for taking advantage of the GT power, I have hit 155 mph and it still kept on pulling. This was in Mexico of course.

 

[JSolo]

Was it fast'n'furious, "there's no replacement for displacement"

 

[RM7]

I didnt go with awd because I like fun more than straight line speed plus I live in Cali. This was in Mexico of course.

Or Cali, Columbia?

 

[General_Vodka]

Or Cali, Columbia?

lol. no that would be a place that isn't on fire for half the year. So obviously not where I live.

 

[monusa]

The transmission does an admirable job in sport too, it's definitely making me think it is on par with the ZF8 in the BMW

W-H-A-T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????????????

Sorry there "JNB"....but I am going to have to differ SUBSTANTIALLY on that one. Have had the "ZF-8" (Zed Eight) transmission-equipped Supra for roughly 4K miles now and it is just as impressive as the engine. Had this tranny been in the Stinger, 2.5 or otherwise, would never have jumped ship.

The darn thing is SO good, I have never used the paddle shifters........just no reason to because the tranny just knows what it needs to do when it needs to do it. Many reviews have it only second to a Porsche PDK which is dual clutch and the ZF8 still has a torque converter.......

To the OP, I waited to test drive the 2.5 but dealer would only order GT's so no chance to drive one before I decided to go to the "other" side. I would agree that your biggest difference between that and a 3.3 would be as you approached the upper mph range. That is what "displacement" does for you but I would think that the 2.5 is a little more convincing than the 2.0 was. Anyone know if the "top end" has been re-calibrated for the 2.5? 2.0 pretty much cut off at 130mph (once it got there....lol)

@JamesNoBrakes ........still love that sign on name......LOL

 

[RM7]

Theeb

W-H-A-T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????????????

Sorry there "JNB"....but I am going to have to differ SUBSTANTIALLY on that one. Have had the "ZF-8" (Zed Eight) transmission-equipped Supra for roughly 4K miles now and it is just as impressive as the engine. Had this tranny been in the Stinger, 2.5 or otherwise, would never have jumped ship.

The darn thing is SO good, I have never used the paddle shifters........just no reason to because the tranny just knows what it needs to do when it needs to do it. Many reviews have it only second to a Porsche PDK which is dual clutch and the ZF8 still has a torque converter.......

To the OP, I waited to test drive the 2.5 but dealer would only order GT's so no chance to drive one before I decided to go to the "other" side. I would agree that your biggest difference between that and a 3.3 would be as you approached the upper mph range. That is what "displacement" does for you but I would think that the 2.5 is a little more convincing than the 2.0 was. Anyone know if the "top end" has been re-calibrated for the 2.5? 2.0 pretty much cut off at 130mph (once it got there....lol)

@JamesNoBrakes ........still love that sign on name......

The ZF comes down to programming. I’ve had it in Chrysler products during rentals and it was horrid. It was decent in my BMW. Not earth shattering. But decent. The dry clutch DCT in my Hyundai gt n-line wasn’t great, pretty poor. The 8spd in the stinger is miles ahead.

The ZF gets put in a lot of vehicles and at its core it’s a good transmission. But how good it is comes down to the programming and how good the auto maker wants it. It’s not really the same between vehicles.

 

[monusa]

Cool with that......Since it is BMW sourced, I guess they have a crack programming crew because in this car, it is amazing. Can't speak for Chrysler products but I guess the name says it all.....LOL

 

[hummus]

2.5T vs 3.3T Stinger back-to-back

I think something to consider, besides any measured performance difference, is the character of the engine. I currently have a '21 GT, and while shopping I tested a Sorento with the 2.5T, and IMO they provide very different sensations to the driver. The 3.3 feels, as you would imagine and stated in the video, smoother and more effortless.

For the sensations that impact my personal driving experience, if Kia added a sound enhancement feature to the 2.5T, I think it would help bridge the perceived gap somewhat. I know many people complain about these, but I try to put aside my principles on this issue when sizing up a car. Anyhow, in my wife's RDX with a 2.0T, toggling this effect on and off is the difference between the four cylinder's odd harmonics and grit drawing my attention when it is off, and just blending into a refined experience when it is on. I also really like the similar device in the A4/A5 and F30, though I didn't care for it in the GTI. Some don't care about this and just want a shove in the back when pressing the gas--and that's cool.

With the 3.3T, I toggle the sound enhancement level just for variety. I'm not crazy about the highest setting, but I don't miss it at all when it's off. In other words, it has it but IMO doesn't need it. Not sure how the new variable exhaust would affect this sensation, but most reviews would suggest not much.

Anyhow, everyone is going to value different aspects of the driving experience. My $.02: pay attention to not just the performance, but also the feel.

 

[Transmetal]

Idk, I work in an urban area. I feel like as long as you have a freeway that's not wall to wall crowded, then you have plenty of opportunities to experience the power of the 3.3 V6. Just get on an on ramp, you'll get up to 100mph in no time if you really want to.

 

[Blueangel]

Idk, I work in an urban area. I feel like as long as you have a freeway that's not wall to wall crowded, then you have plenty of opportunities to experience the power of the 3.3 V6. Just get on an on ramp, you'll get up to 100mph in no time if you really want to.

So true. Plenty of on ramps where I live. The opportunity to cut around the Mr. and Mrs Daisies is a breath of fresh air…

 

[DekCan]

I had the 2019 2.0 before and sold it and got the 2020 GT1. I'm going to tell you that it is worth the extra money in my case. I live in the city and drive out to the work which is 10 miles of highway. I do not regret making the change.

 

[hummus]

This might be an interesting watch as well:

Motoman commentary on the 2.5T in the G80

 

[General_Vodka]

I had the 2019 2.0 before and sold it and got the 2020 GT1. I'm going to tell you that it is worth the extra money in my case. I live in the city and drive out to the work which is 10 miles of highway. I do not regret making the change.

the 2.0 was a placeholder engine that they used until the 2.5 was ready. so yeah it was totally worth jumping to the 3.3.