Bad Koons Kia of Woodbridge

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My wife was interested in the Telluride and I was interested in the Stinger which I was considering trading or selling my Camaro.

On Saturday 5/27, we test drove the Telluride EX with a salesman I think his name was Ramon. When we asked him to do the valuation on my wife’s 2016 Tucson he said it would take 30-40 mins, this is after he had already checked the car out, which we found to be odd.

During the time while we were waiting I asked to checkout the Stinger GT1 and GT2. He gets a key and we go out to a micro blue GT2. After sitting in it, I told him I wanted to test drive it. He then tells me what management doesn’t allow test drives on the Stinger without a commitment to buy, which I found to be absurd — especially from a person with a $60K Camaro. Why would I commit to buy something I had only just sat in? I could’ve lied and said sure I’d buy it just for the test drive, but why should a prospective customer have to jump through those hoops?

We go back inside and he says he can do $16K on the trade, which was fine. I asked him to get me numbers so I can see the price of the Telluride, taxes, fees, etc. When he came back with the paper I’m reviewing it and the manager added an additional destination fee of nearly $2000. This is in addition to the already included destination fee on the sticker of $1045, and a $799 dealer processing fee. Also, while he told us $16K on the trade, the sheet had $15K. Add it all up and we’re $3000 over MSRP.

At this point we gathered our belonging and left because we don’t have time for these games. Either you want to sell a car, or two, and get the sale in the books or you want to stonewall. When simple numbers look off, I walk because I’m not going back and forth about what should be self-evident to a business.

It’s sad because Koons Kia is 10 mins from our house and I just purchased my sister in law a new Hyundai Sonata from the Koons in Silver Springs with such a pleasant experience there.

I took my business to Brown’s Kia of Manassas where I purchased the GT1 Stinger.
 
They have the lowest advertised price of Stingers, and when i email to ask the detailed discounts separating dealer discount and rebate they never reply. It doesnt help im out of state, but getti g thibgs in writing from them has beeen painful so i gave up. How did you guys like the telluride?
 
They have the lowest advertised price of Stingers, and when i email to ask the detailed discounts separating dealer discount and rebate they never reply. It doesnt help im out of state, but getti g thibgs in writing from them has beeen painful so i gave up. How did you guys like the telluride?

Their prices are incentive baked. You must finance with Kia to take advantage of them. I bought from Brown's Kia of Manassas and while their online prices are a little higher, when I went into the dealership and got a print out of the OTD price, it was actually lower than Koon's by about $1000 on an RWD GT1. When we finalized the deal, they actually owed me $400.

Telluride is dope!
 
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We get calls all the time about these prices. In the end they come back because of what just happened to ecko04.
 
Koons is trying to become a volume dealer for the Stinger. If you look at their inventory they have about 30 on the lot, which gets people through the door given other dealers may have at most 5 or 6. They use the quantity on hand as a tactic to imply that they know more about them than other dealers. It’s all smoke and mirrors.

They get to those prices by factoring in all incentives, even those that don’t stack like conquest and loyalty (you can only have one or the other), military, KIA Finance, and any dealership discounts. When you go in they figure out which you don’t qualify for and add those back to the price. They also have a $799 processing fee (typical in the Northern Virginia area) and other fees they add into it.

You also have to bend their arm to get an OTD printout. They hated giving it to me because they knew I was going to use it to shop around. I didn’t even need to use it because everyone else was at least $1000 less OTD than Koons for an apples to apples vehicle.
 
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Hmm. I had the opposite experience with them. I'm in NJ/NY area and when looking I saw they had the best price on a GT. I asked for an itemized OTD price and the sales guy promptly texted me a documented one. Since I planned on using Kia's 1.9 financing I qualified for all the discounts with the exception of the military one. I drove 250 miles one way to pick the car up. Filled out paper work, waited for the car to be dusted off and drove back home. It was a hassle free purchase. Most of my dealings was through email/txt. I absolutely HATE wasting time at dealerships. I made that abundantly clear when i started communication with them via email and kept reinforcing that notion. In the end the OTD price was the best I could find in my max driving distance.
 
Yes, they seemed more than willing to help us with Kia financing but that's not the direction we wanted to go in. Given that we qualify for all manner of other rebates through USAA, conquest, and loyalty, we didn't need, nor want, Kia financing. Ramon is the salesperson I dealt with and he was terrible. Johnathan Hernandez was 100x better but by that point, I had soured on them and the pricing at Brown's was better.
 
I had a horrible experience with them as well. Beyond horrible. First of all the salesman didn't know a damn thing. I explained I was out of state in Florida and would have to make sure all numbers were good before making the trip. I also explained that I was pre-qualified through my lender and was immediately ready to secure a vehicle with the right pricing. Their pricing was way lower than anyone else, but then I call to find out it's the same bull crap games of $2750 off for financing through KIA Motors, loyalty, dealer discount, legacy, etc. So the sales manager gets on the phone. Once I explain my Hyundai Genesis is a 2010 and I'm not eligible for the loyalty or competitive due to the age of the car AND that I had my own financing, he became extremely arrogant. Telling me how they are the highest volume Stinger dealer in the U.S. He then text me the quote and it had a big discount sale price, but then added in $1,800 of other fees AND over $500 for tags. Inflated the price right back up to $38.5k. I then text him saying that was out of my desired price range and asked for a quote on a car they had similar, but without the driver's asst package. He never text me back. Apparently when I didn't do back flips out of joy that he was willing to talk to me, he saw no need to communicate with me.

Found my car in Alabama and they had ZERO dealer fees, ZERO destination fees, ZERO doc fees, and even ZERO delivery fees to drive it to my front door step.
 
I'm trying to work with them now on a GT1. Although i didnt have any trouble getting things in writing, they do have some crazy fees. Calling for $995 destination, and $800 processing fee, which more or less negates the good price they are coming up with. Unfortunately I live in NJ, and Im not willing to go too much farther south than this. The NJ/PA dealerships Ive dealt with just dont want to give the kind of dealer discount im looking for.
 
I'm trying to work with them now on a GT1. Although i didnt have any trouble getting things in writing, they do have some crazy fees. Calling for $995 destination, and $800 processing fee, which more or less negates the good price they are coming up with. Unfortunately I live in NJ, and Im not willing to go too much farther south than this. The NJ/PA dealerships Ive dealt with just dont want to give the kind of dealer discount im looking for.

That destination fee is set by Kia. The $800 "processing fee"...well, I can't defend that.
 
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Maryland caps dealer processing fees whereas VA doesn't. I’d take my business to Browns KIA of Manassas and work with Sasso.
 
That destination fee is set by Kia. The $800 "processing fee"...well, I can't defend that.

I don't think that is the case. The dealership that I used in Alabama didn't have any destination or processing or doc fee or whatever. Those types of fees aren't mandated by Kia, but implemented by the dealerships themselves. As a matter of fact, when I called and asked the salesman "What is your dealer fee?", his reply was "We don't have one. We don't have any dealer fees or doc fees. We don't believe in doing business like that."
 
I'm trying to work with them now on a GT1. Although i didnt have any trouble getting things in writing, they do have some crazy fees. Calling for $995 destination, and $800 processing fee, which more or less negates the good price they are coming up with. Unfortunately I live in NJ, and Im not willing to go too much farther south than this. The NJ/PA dealerships Ive dealt with just dont want to give the kind of dealer discount im looking for.

Not sure if that's a bit too far, but they delivered the car to my doorstep in Florida from Alabama. If you want the dealership info, PM me on here and I'll be happy to get it to you. Maybe even work out meeting somewhere in the middle to get what you want. Lemme know.
 
Not too sure about that. The dealership I used in Alabama had no destination fee. It is NOT mandated by Kia.

Destination fees are set by manufacturers. The dealership can give you a discount to remove the fee, but it's still there. Check any auto manufacturers website and you'll see their destination fee listed on the build screen for each model. Here's one from Kia.com.

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Destination fees are part of the MSRP/Window sticker. Koons does this shady math where they take MSRP, deduct all rebates and dealer discounts, then add the destination fee back in (even though it's part of the original MSRP they were deducting from). I negotiated pricing with 5 different dealers and they are the ONLY one that did this. They were also the only one with a processing/admin fee over $400. Needless to say, once I factored in all of their "extra" fees totaling $1500, their complete inability to call me back, and their complete disregard for anything regarding the buying/dealer experience other than "we offer large discounts", I stopped the process with them and went with another dealer for a better price with no added fees and no BS. Koons are a bunch of crooks as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Destination fees are part of the MSRP/Window sticker. Koons does this shady math where they take MSRP, deduct all rebates and dealer discounts, then add the destination fee back in (even though it's part of the original MSRP they were deducting from). I negotiated pricing with 5 different dealers and they are the ONLY one that did this. They were also the only one with a processing/admin fee over $400. Needless to say, once I factored in all of their "extra" fees totaling $1500, their complete inability to call me back, and their complete disregard for anything regarding the buying/dealer experience other than "we offer large discounts", I stopped the process with them and went with another dealer for a better price with no added fees and no BS. Koons are a bunch of crooks as far as I'm concerned.
True. I bought my Stinger from Koons Kia of Baltimore (Owings Mills, MD). They closed this Kia dealership early this year. In MD the dealer processing fees are lower (cannot exceed $300), but Koons' delaer network has somehow managed to get away with the deceptive practice of adding in their own destination/freight fee equal to what is already on the Monroney label, in essence a double charge. You can point it out to them and argue it all day long, but I doubt they would remove it (or the public would know and everyone would demand the same thing). That's one reason why their prices look good in ads. I had a friend who bought a Ford truck from Koons Ford months before I leased my Stinger. He is savvy, but told me they simply would not remove that fee. He bought from Koons because he simply got the best OTD price he could find from the dealers he visited. Locally, Kia dealers near me tended to have just a couple Stingers, typically 2.0Ts. Went to Koons of Baltimore to look because they had at least a dozen in stock. and had what appeared to be competitive pricing on their website. I inquired about the destination charge, and received a very vague answer from the salesman but an insistance that it was legitimate and is charged on all the cars they sell. In their minds, they were offering me a GT2 for around $40,600 (including lease incentive, awd rebate, dealer discount, and before their destination and processing fees, lease acq fee, and of course TTL). They accepted my final "offer" of $40K even, which became $41K moments later when they added in the destination fee, lol.
 
Koons KIA of Woodbridge’s MO:

(1) sell someone a stinger
(2) as soon as the paperwork is signed forget this customer exists and pretend they bought a Rio
(3) repeat
(3a) and ignore all emails and voicemails... ALL of them

I moved my business to Ourisman Chantilly KIA (who came with a learning curve but they got their sh together now...mostly)
 
who came with a learning curve but they got their sh together now...mostly

I am glad to hear they are doing better by you. You know how it P's me off to find out when they are not.
 
I'm trying to work with them now on a GT1. Although i didnt have any trouble getting things in writing, they do have some crazy fees. Calling for $995 destination, and $800 processing fee, which more or less negates the good price they are coming up with. Unfortunately I live in NJ, and Im not willing to go too much farther south than this. The NJ/PA dealerships Ive dealt with just dont want to give the kind of dealer discount im looking for.
I'm in VA, but was recently shopping around for a deal on a GT1. I bought my first Stinger from Koon's in Woodbridge and had a mediocre experience at best. I considered doing business with them again recently, but only as a last resort as they do play games with their pricing and suck at the customer experience side of things. I ended up buying a GT1 from King Kia in Gaithersburg, MD last week. They were able to match the dealer discount off MSRP as Northern VA dealerships. They waived the freight / delivery fee after I spoke up about it, and have the processing fee capped at $300 per MD state law. Also, you will only pay sales tax on the vehicle price minus the trade (if you're trading in.) Not sure if they have any GT1's at the moment, but they might be worth talking to. Low sales pressure, reasonable customer service, and good negotiating possibilities.
 
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