Drag/Acceleration The Official 1/4 mile track thread.

[Tonkabob]

Agree on both counts. The shorter sidewall can be beneficial if you can get the car to keep traction. It is hard thou since shorter sidewall in my case dawn near no sidewall is not really ideal for drag racing.

What kind of rubber are you running and what where the temps?

 

[DarthVaderIX]

Congratulations angel! Nice work

 

[Angel]

What kind of rubber are you running and what where the temps?

Indy 500 - They summer tires I believe. There cheap and somewhat good for the price. They are not good tires. The temperature was like 60 or so, it was a nice day but humid/hot.

• Apr 07
• 61 deg F
• 72% Humidity
• 29.01 Hg Uncorrected Barrometer
• 52 deg F Dew Point
• 59.2 Grains
• S 10 mph Wind Speed
• 95.47 % Air Density
• 1578 ft. Density Altitude

 

[Doel]

I cant beleive I actually got a better time than Tork with less mods LOL......

I know this might spark some Tork and BMS debate but lets keep it professional please.

FYI Kia Bahrain and Brayn 2.0 are off the list.

@DaBears4Lyfe and @Angel are on the list now

alright... no more of that please. We don't need another genital measuring contest here in the 1/4 thread. You're comparing an RWD car to an AWD car that ran in completely different conditions on different tracks. That's not going to tell you which car is faster when the ETs are close.

 

[Angel]

alright... no more of that please. We don't need another genital measuring contest here in the 1/4 thread. You're comparing an RWD car to an AWD car that ran in completely different conditions on different tracks. That's not going to tell you which car is faster when the ETs are close.

I don't know what are you talking about?

I am not measuring anything here and definitely not my genital.

I am not comparing anything. I just stated I got a better time, which is true. The numbers don't lie, the video does not lie. I am not saying my car is faster than Tork or am I in a competition with Tork. I can care less what Tork does. I just taught that was pretty cool and was impressed that I was able to accomplish the 11.9 on the JB4 with minimal mods.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious that conditions were different. You know what else was different the driver, the car, the mods to the car, the tune, the track, the state, etc...... I don't understand your point or what you are trying to start here.

For all I care Tork/BMS/Presertech/Whoever can have the fastest Stinger in the world, I am not a Tuner or own a shop so I am not in a competition with nobody. I am in a competition with myself to improve my own time.

At the end of the day I got my time at the track, and provided all the proof. I am on the list. End of story. You can see who is on top of me and who is under me on the list. I am just grateful that I made the list. I am not talking negative about any tuner or shop, matter fact I am trying to help others and give them tips to improve their times so they can beat mine. At the end of the day I own a Stinger.

 

[eflyguy]

I don't know what are you talking about?

I do..

I cant beleive I actually got a better time than Tork with less mods LOL......

I know this might spark some Tork and BMS debate but lets keep it professional please.

These comments were inappropriate. YOU need to keep it professional, stick to the facts.

 

[Angel]

I do..



These comments were inappropriate. YOU need to keep it professional, stick to the facts.

Alright boss will do.

Maybe I should of said "Lets keep it unprofessional" I don't get it LOL.

I did stick to the facts " I stated I got a better time and I did"

I was speaking out of excitement, because I was genuinely surprised. I honestly don't see how my statement was negative or unprofessional.

You know what Mr. Moderator my apologies, you are right and I am wrong. Have a fabulous day!!!!!

 

[Terry@BMS]

From everything I've seen so far it doesn't appear the flash maps have any significant performance advantage over similarly equipped JB4 cars. Trap speeds are in the ballpark. 1/4 mile times in the ball park. In theory the flash maps should be able to change a few things we can't change on the JB4 side (like valve timing & launch rpm) and eek out better performance. But of course the trade off is always the permanent trace left behind when flashing. I'm sure the flash market will continue to grow for the platform and we'll see where it goes as better flash tuners are attracted to the market. And we'll be here with frequent JB4 updates to ensure it's the go-to tuning device whether you're using the factory or aftermarket flash map.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

From everything I've seen so far it doesn't appear the flash maps have any significant performance advantage over similarly equipped JB4 cars. Trap speeds are in the ballpark. 1/4 mile times in the ball park. In theory the flash maps should be able to change a few things we can't change on the JB4 side (like valve timing & launch rpm) and eek out better performance. But of course the trade off is always the permanent trace left behind when flashing. I'm sure the flash market will continue to grow for the platform and we'll see where it goes. And we'll be here with frequent JB4 updates to ensure it's the go-to tuning device whether you're using the stock flash or decided to flash it.

The fun part is going to be stacking the two. Cant wait to get you some data when I get my flash tune to see what you can do on top of it to help fine tune things for the track and meth control!

 

[Angel]

From everything I've seen so far it doesn't appear the flash maps have any significant performance advantage over similarly equipped JB4 cars. Trap speeds are in the ballpark. 1/4 mile times in the ball park. In theory the flash maps should be able to change a few things we can't change on the JB4 side (like valve timing & launch rpm) and eek out better performance. But of course the trade off is always the permanent trace left behind when flashing. I'm sure the flash market will continue to grow for the platform and we'll see where it goes as better flash tuners are attracted to the market. And we'll be here with frequent JB4 updates to ensure it's the go-to tuning device whether you're using the factory or aftermarket flash map.

Da bears pointed this out. If I were to get a flash tune, can I still use the JB4? I guess this whole time I been leaning towards selling it but it seems like I can stack the 2. Any valuable info you can provide me on that. Eventually if I run Meth or E85 that you are developing the JB4 is needed to run that correct?

 

[Terry@BMS]

Da bears pointed this out. If I were to get a flash tune, can I still use the JB4? I guess this whole time I been leaning towards selling it but it seems like I can stack the 2. Any valuable info you can provide me on that. Eventually if I run Meth or E85 that you are developing the JB4 is needed to run that correct?

Yes the JB4 is compatible with the factory flash or any aftermarket flash map. It has 100s of uses from logging, adjusting boost by gear, controlling WMI, E85 autotuning, dynamic anti-lag, adding or subtracting boost based on octane, scramble button, etc, etc.

 

[Crewdawg130]

Stack is the way to go. Give it a lill more time

 

[Angel]

Yes the JB4 is compatible with the factory flash or any aftermarket flash map. It has 100s of uses from logging, to adjusting boost by gear, to controlling WMI, to E85 autotuning, dynamic anti-lag, etc, etc.

If I Hypothetically happen to get an ecu tune. Would you help me set up my JB4 so I can run it with the tune? Eventually I will be getting a WMI kit or whatever you end up developing for the E85, but in the meantime do I just run map 0?

 

[Terry@BMS]

If I Hypothetically happen to get an ecu tune. Would you help me set up my JB4 so I can run it with the tune? Eventually I will be getting a WMI kit or whatever you end up developing for the E85, but in the meantime do I just run map 0?

Just start on map0, post up or email in a log, and we can sort out the details. Since each flash map is different we'd want to see it before making any specific tuning advice for you.

 

[Angel]

Just start on map0, post up or email in a log, and we can sort out the details. Since each flash map is different we'd want to see it before making any specific tuning advice for you.

Got it, will do thanks.

 

[Tonkabob]

From everything I've seen so far it doesn't appear the flash maps have any significant performance advantage over similarly equipped JB4 cars. Trap speeds are in the ballpark. 1/4 mile times in the ball park. In theory the flash maps should be able to change a few things we can't change on the JB4 side (like valve timing & launch rpm) and eek out better performance. But of course the trade off is always the permanent trace left behind when flashing. I'm sure the flash market will continue to grow for the platform and we'll see where it goes as better flash tuners are attracted to the market. And we'll be here with frequent JB4 updates to ensure it's the go-to tuning device whether you're using the factory or aftermarket flash map.

Angel got an exceptional time. If he ran dragy he could hit 11.6 or 11.7s making him the fastest piggyback and second fastest dragy Stinger. It's still early in the season but i don't see many replicating Angels times with the same mods. At the same time there aren't many ECU tunes out their either so i could be an outlier as well. It's looking like the difference between me and angel is .05 in the launch and he is losing time in that 1-2 shift. That is the whole .1 difference right there. Very impressive.

 

[Terry@BMS]

When you consider mods including rim weight, similar boost targets, similar octane, etc. I'm just not seeing a lot of difference between flash only and JB4 only vehicles.

 

[Tonkabob]

When you consider mods including rim weight, similar boost targets, similar octane, etc. I'm just not seeing a lot of difference between flash only and JB4 only vehicles.

I totally agree in the case of Angel and possibly GetStung (yet to see at the track). But you do have many similar moded jb4 cars running 12.2 - 12.3s and they are scratching their heads why they aren't also running 11.9 or 12.0
@Angel - how much do your wheels weight? I know you said they aren't light but did you weigh them?

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

I totally agree in the case of Angel and possibly GetStung (yet to see at the track). But you do have many similar moded jb4 cars running 12.2 - 12.3s and they are scratching their heads why they aren't also running 11.9 or 12.0
@Angel - how much do your wheels weight? I know you said they aren't light but did you weigh them?

doesnt look like anyone else on the track list ran e30 with simular mods in an AWD. Could be what pushes them closer to the 11s or into them.

 

[Terry@BMS]

I totally agree in the case of Angel and possibly GetStung (yet to see at the track). But you do have many similar moded jb4 cars running 12.2 - 12.3s and they are scratching their heads why they aren't also running 11.9 or 12.0
@Angel - how much do your wheels weight? I know you said they aren't light but did you weigh them?

Yes many are in the low 12s. JB4, flashed, or otherwise. To break though to the 11s needs a good launch, good weather, and/or the right combination of mods.