Burger Tuning JB4 for Kia Stinger!

[robz32]

Heh. I figured 40-50k for an AWD GT2 plus mods $$$ plus effort. For 60-75k, I can get a recent vintage RS7 of varying degrees of trim/mileage. With software tune alone, you're into the high 10's. Sure, the maintenance and insurance will be more, but it's an actual supercar that seats 4 and has usable cargo space.

I just don't see much progress being made on the 3.3T. Even with all the tuning gymnastics + meth, it's still about as fast as a stock Scatpack Charger (my current daily driver). I was hoping there would be some serious progress on coaxing 500-ish horsepower out of 3.3L, but that seems to be elusive.

Best,

You are missing the fact that this is a brand new platform and the aftermarket industry is now starting to catch up to it, while the other vehicles you mention have been on the market for far longer, giving them a head start in the aftermarket industry. Paitence is a virtue.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Having multiple stingers doesn't make them any faster.

If things get to the point where the power gets to where it needs to be (for me), I have no problem with the stinger. But it seems like you guys are pulling out all the stops and just barely cracking 12 secs. Impressive, but not what I'm after.

Best,

The Stinger is the sort of car you can spend $1000 on mods and have high 11 second potential. If you're looking for an easy 10 second car this isn't it. But it's an awesome high 11 second car especially for the price. To make it a solid 10 second car you're probably looking at $10k in mods.

We have two Q50s also and the Stinger gets WAY more attention when I drive it around. Style points count too.

 

[Ritz]

New prices mean nothing in the German performance car world. A $120k 2019 M5 will be worth less than a Kia Rio in 2020.

There's no bargain like a German supercar bargain.

(disclaimer: separate savings account for maintenance recommended )

Yep. TANSTAAFL

 

[Ritz]

YPaitence is a virtue.

Life is also very short.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Heh. I figured 40-50k for an AWD GT2 plus mods $$$ plus effort. For 60-75k, I can get a recent vintage RS7 of varying degrees of trim/mileage. With software tune alone, you're into the high 10's. Sure, the maintenance and insurance will be more, but it's an actual supercar that seats 4 and has usable cargo space.

I just don't see much progress being made on the 3.3T. Even with all the tuning gymnastics + meth, it's still about as fast as a stock Scatpack Charger (my current daily driver). I was hoping there would be some serious progress on coaxing 500-ish horsepower out of 3.3L, but that seems to be elusive.

Best,

I agree a few year old RS7 with a tune is basically a $80k 4 door supercar, and having a 10sec daily driver would be incredible. But so would a 11sec daily driver for about HALF the cost which still has a 10yr/100k warranty.

If a 11sec DD isn’t fast enough and money is no object then I guess that could justify paying almost twice as much. However, I don’t think many logical people would pay double just to go from a super fast DD, to an even faster DD. In my town that’s more an ego thing, but to each their own.

And you must not be keeping up with the developments as there are tons of people already running 500hp+ with just a chip/tune & couple bolt-ons. There are even multiple 600whp+ Stingers and more on the way. Personally I think doubling our HP with only a years worth of tuning is an amazing start!

Lastly, your either trolling or must be joking about the Scatpack comment.Stock Stingers are about as quick as a Scatpack and I haven’t lost to one yet. Your numbers may look good on paper but in the real world your only quicker at illegal speeds(80mph+). Not sure where you’re getting your info but a Stinger with ONLY a chip will smoke a Scatpack all day long.

Hope that helps clarify and happy motoring, even if it’s in a Dodge or Audi.

 

[Ritz]

I agree a few year old RS7 with a tune is basically a $80k 4 door supercar, and having a 10sec daily driver would be incredible. But so would a 11sec daily driver for about HALF the cost which still has a 10yr/100k warranty.

If a 11sec DD isn’t fast enough and money is no object then I guess that could justify paying almost twice as much. However, I don’t think many logical people would pay double just to go from a super fast DD, to an even faster DD. In my town that’s more an ego thing, but to each their own.

And you must not be keeping up with the developments as there are tons of people already running 500hp+ with just a chip/tune & couple bolt-ons. There are even multiple 600whp+ Stingers and more on the way. Personally I think doubling our HP with only a years worth of tuning is an amazing start!

Lastly, your either trolling or must be joking about the Scatpack comment.Stock Stingers are about as quick as a Scatpack and I haven’t lost to one yet. Your numbers may look good on paper but in the real world your only quicker at illegal speeds(80mph+). Not sure where you’re getting your info but a Stinger with ONLY a chip will smoke a Scatpack all day long.

Hope that helps clarify and happy motoring, even if it’s in a Dodge or Audi.

An 11 sec Stinger is probably not going to get you much warranty love if you break it. Just sayin.

Where are all those 500-600+ hp Stingers? I'm not seeing any evidence of them here.

I have no need or interest to troll anyone. Bone stock scat Chargers are in the low to mid-12's right off the showroom floor on pump gas. The only Stingers I've seen here that are doing that are running E85/meth and have aggressive tuning. I have no doubt that a software only tune on a Stinger would get you into that ballpark and it would be a driver's race at that point. **shrug**

Perhaps you can persuade some of those 500-600+hp owners to post here so we can see what they're doing to get that kind of output. I haven't seen it, but then again I haven't been aggressively looking either. I wouldn't be opposed to a Stinger at all if it was possible to get that kind of output without having to do crazy things (from my perspective) like meth injection. This is the only place I've been to follow the Stinger.

And yep, an RS7 costs a lot more. Speed costs money. I haven't been able to find anything else that's in the same speed ballpark that has seating for 4, a nice amount of cargo space and AWD. The two cars (Stinger and A7/S7/RS7) actually look very much alike. I won't say that money is no object, but I've reached a point where 40-50k one way or the other isn't going to be noticed by me or (more importantly) Mrs. Ritz.

Best,

 

[JustThatPenguin]

I havent had time to get a dyno yet but on paper at least I should be pushing 500. Downpipes, cat back, cold air intakes and jb4 on map2.

 

[Ritz]

I havent had time to get a dyno yet but on paper at least I should be pushing 500. Downpipes, cat back, cold air intakes and jb4 on map2.

Interesting. I'd be curious to see what your 0-60 or 1/4 mile times are like if you've had time to do those and definitely curious to know what a dyno says when you get around to it.

Best,

 

[GreySpector]

Are there other 500whp+ Stinger's besides the Pure Turbos/BMS/Force Fed Performance shop car and LAP3 upgraded turbos ones?

Don't think I've seen a single dyno for a FBO that hit 500whp.

 

[Blitz]

I havent had time to get a dyno yet but on paper at least I should be pushing 500. Downpipes, cat back, cold air intakes and jb4 on map2.

0% chance you are 500 whp. I'd guess ~430.

 

[Kamauxx]

He's probably guessing his crank hp.

 

[xot1]

I think we are off topic

 

[Ritz]

I think we are off topic

Indeed. My bad.

Best,

 

[DarthVaderIX]

@Terry@BMS would you let me know on these please. Afr seems too lean up to 4xxx rpm.

Car is stock except jb4 with 4 gallons of E. And plugs at .024

 

[StungBlueGT2]

An 11 sec Stinger is probably not going to get you much warranty love if you break it. Just sayin.

Where are all those 500-600+ hp Stingers? I'm not seeing any evidence of them here.

I have no need or interest to troll anyone. Bone stock scat Chargers are in the low to mid-12's right off the showroom floor on pump gas. The only Stingers I've seen here that are doing that are running E85/meth and have aggressive tuning. I have no doubt that a software only tune on a Stinger would get you into that ballpark and it would be a driver's race at that point. **shrug**

Perhaps you can persuade some of those 500-600+hp owners to post here so we can see what they're doing to get that kind of output. I haven't seen it, but then again I haven't been aggressively looking either. I wouldn't be opposed to a Stinger at all if it was possible to get that kind of output without having to do crazy things (from my perspective) like meth injection. This is the only place I've been to follow the Stinger.

And yep, an RS7 costs a lot more. Speed costs money. I haven't been able to find anything else that's in the same speed ballpark that has seating for 4, a nice amount of cargo space and AWD. The two cars (Stinger and A7/S7/RS7) actually look very much alike. I won't say that money is no object, but I've reached a point where 40-50k one way or the other isn't going to be noticed by me or (more importantly) Mrs. Ritz.

Best,

Any car with more than bolt-on mods may have warranty issues if you break it. However the Stinger has a bumper to bumper warranty for everything else that may go wrong for years, unlike the used Audi.

FYI-Many members have posted dynos on here with 430-460whp(500hp+) using a chip/tune and minor bolt-ons, as well as JB4’s 550whp(620hp+) & lap3s 620whp(700hp+) turbo mods both still in beta testing. There’s even more info on these and others high HP builds on IG, FB, etc.

Obviously a 3.3t V6 will need more advantages to match or surpass the capabilities of a SRT tuned 6.4l V8. And almost any boosted engine, especially the RS7, will make huge gains taking advantage of higher octane from E30/WMI. I don’t see how a simple bolt-on WMI kit which is safely regulated by a JB4 is considered “crazy things”, but if that bolt-on scares you E30 will give a similar octane boost.

Don’t get me wrong I love SRTs, and know many people with 10 & 11 sec DDs. I even almost got a Scatpack myself until I drove the Stinger. Their biggest issue is traction and their 245s are even narrower than ours and can’t handle 485hp.The only ones running low-mid 12s stock is a professional driver on a prepped racetrack. However Terry ran 12.4s with just a JB4, a many others are easily doing the same even on unprepped streets. Which is why there are so many videos of Scatpacks/SRTs playing catch-up to our Stingers.

Again I agree, a tuned RS7 or maybe a Turbo Panamera are the most versatile 4door supercars you can get for the money. However, even at 3-5yrs old they are still way out of the ballpark when comparing to a $40-50k Kia Stinger. They do look very similar(same designers/engineers) and a GT2 matches 80-90% everything an S7 has to offer, but at HALF the price. Unfortunately most Stinger owners don’t have an extra $40-50k to spend on a car or we would all be on the RS7 forums instead.

Bottom line the RS7 is probably most of our dream cars, but this thread is for discussing making our Stingers faster daily drivers with a JB4. Not for saying how much extra work is needed to make a Kia compete with “xyz supercar”. We appreciate the comparisons to those amazing cars, but please stay on topic and do more research so you too can see why we all love our Stingers the way we do.

 

[Terry@BMS]

@Terry@BMS would you let me know on these please. Afr seems too lean up to 4xxx rpm.

Car is stock except jb4 with 4 gallons of E. And plugs at .024

Looks normal. Note how fuel trims are not maxed down low, indicating the leaner AFR is mapped out. In this case it's lean spool mode.

 

[DarthVaderIX]

Looks normal. Note how fuel trims are not maxed down low, indicating the leaner AFR is mapped out. In this case it's lean spool mode.

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Thanks for looking at them, so am I good to go or do I need to adjust something? Good to go on map2?

 

[Terry@BMS]

Definitely good to go. Crank it!

 

[DarthVaderIX]

Definitely good to go. Crank it!

Thank you sir! Btw, would and cruising/part throttle logs be of any service to you?

 

[Ritz]

Any car with more than bolt-on mods may have warranty issues if you break it. However the Stinger has a bumper to bumper warranty for everything else that may go wrong for years, unlike the used Audi.

If you could point me towards a source of info for exactly what some of these high output Stingers are doing to get those numbers, I'll take a look and run the numbers. I have zero issue with picking up a GT2 AWD and doing what it takes to get to the performance thresholds I'm looking for. I just need to see a verifiable path to victory.

The "forward thinking" scat owners buy the dynamics package. That's essentially Hellcat brakes/wheels/tires. That get's you 275's all around. Still WAY too little rubber on the road. Even with stock engines folks are spinning 305's and 315's without feathering the throttle or leaving traction control enabled. Frustrating from a standing start, but it goes like a bat out of hell once you're moving.

I'm not THAT scared of a used German car since I've got the tools and a bit of experience maintaining and tuning them...especially Audi's. But it certainly can (and does) cost $$$.

Anyway...back to the matter at hand...I'm watching these threads with interest. Happy to talk to any of the tuning shops that frequent here about what they could do to get AWD wheel power to 550-600hp and curious to see how the rest of the driveline holds up under that kind of punishment. Feel free to PM me if you'd rather not discuss dollars and/or secret sauce on the forums.

Best,