Lets talk tuning, piggy back vs ECU flash.

[Tonkabob]

If your tune is increasing dwell time then you might not have needed the Densos or HKS’.... .028 on the stock plugs was stated as fine earlier.... you might to widen the gap back to .028.

I’ve had better idling and less power surge from the Densos at .022 compared to stock. I would say that the 5346’s resulted in smoother but less responsive throttle inputs.

I don't have the dwell improvement yet. Maybe later this week or next. But the current tune works great on .028 HKs 40

 

[Tonkabob]

That's not it - it's the fact that he posts that JB4 is cracking electrodes... And then multiple people said it's not the electrode that is cracking but rather the part the coilpack connects to... and he completely ignored it in multiple posts and continues saying JB4 is cracking electrodes. Which isn't true.

It's the ceramic insulator. But his tune hasn't cracked any yet.

 

[brancky3]

It's the ceramic insulator. But his tune hasn't cracked any yet.

Right, it's the insulator. That's what we were trying to tell him, but he kept saying JB4 cracks electrodes. The insulators have even cracked on stock vehicles

 

[KLR STINGER]

Because no tune, flash or other wise causes it! Is high transition cylinder pressure increasing current requirements of the plug to fire. What don't some of you people understand about this. Higher cylinder pressure will cause blow out on a fine wire plug left at stock gap of mid 0.30s .028 is the highest gap you should run anywhere close to 15psi.

Increasing dwell lengthens coil firing time, providing more current to overcome the air gap resistance. Closing the gap reduces the current required to bridge the gap. Gaps from .020 -.028 will have zero perceived or actual difference on projected tip fine wire plug, with cut back center electrode. None. I'll been through this on many FI platforms. I've tried every possible combinations of plugs from many different manufacturers. On the stinger I've tried HKS, brisk silver core, denso ikh24, And stock. Stock actual idles best because it's the only extended projection tip and a 7. Brisk felt most solid under load, but idles with a intermittent miss as DI motors don't like non projected tips. This is tuning 101.

 

[TwinSnails]

@KLR STINGER I agree.

 

[Blitz]

You could asked in a way that would been in line with your supposed motivation, not suggesting In a way that presumed you knew something and Terry didn't, when you clearly didn't know what you were talking about.

I think that's fair. My post may have come off a bit snarky.

I'm going to research it tonight and see what's up. I have seen splitters be used for multiple monitoring tools before, and I can't see how if only one is sending signals and the other is simply listening, it wouldn't work.

In saying that, you're right, I don't know enough about the topic to argue it. I could be dead ass wrong.

 

[Terry@BMS]

I don't have the dwell improvement yet. Maybe later this week or next. But the current tune works great on .028 HKs 40

I'm all for the discussion of legitimate differences between flash tuning and the JB4.

Increasing dwell can increase spark energy and that is something you can only set in the flash tables. But remember there is probably also a good reason the factory has it set the way they do. Ignition timing aside too much dwell can also melt your ignition coil. So my only advice there is start slowly and evaluate it. I personally would only play with it if you're having issues with misfires or spark blow out under high boost that a tighter gap is not resolving.

 

[Terry@BMS]

I think that's fair. My post may have come off a bit snarky.

I'm going to research it tonight and see what's up. I have seen splitters be used for multiple monitoring tools before, and I can't see how if only one is sending signals and the other is simply listening, it wouldn't work.

In saying that, you're right, I don't know enough about the topic to argue it. I could be dead ass wrong.

It's fine to ask the question. And as you saw I am happy to provide a detailed explanation. It was the attitude that threw me off. Anyway, I hope Tork takes me up on my suggestion. They provide the PIDs for whatever knock parameters they want us to monitor and we add them to the JB4 firmware so every JB4 customer can monitor them. And Tork customers can use the JB4 in logging only mode to monitor them as well if they'd like! Win Win!

 

[Tonkabob]

I'm all for the discussion of legitimate differences between flash tuning and the JB4.

Increasing dwell can increase spark energy and that is something you can only set in the flash tables. But remember there is probably also a good reason the factory has it set the way they do. Ignition timing aside too much dwell can also melt your ignition coil. So my only advice there is start slowly and evaluate it. I personally would only play with it if you're having issues with misfires or spark blow out under high boost that a tighter gap is not resolving.

Yeah probaably not even needed with my boost levels but you would also think Kia was smart enough to not gap to .032 to .034 like they did.

 

[Terry@BMS]

One of mine was 0.040 lol

 

[Terry@BMS]

I installed mine on Sunday at .026 and pulled out of my drive way on monday morning and bogged under light load.
Did some 0-60 runs and hit the occasional cold tranny cut out on launch with LC and AH. But the tranny wasnt cold and i never had cut out with AH before. And today it wasnt occasional and happened on every LC attempt. Cut was so bad it wouldn't recover until i let off the throttle. I'm hoping i just have amazing larger gap torque and am hitting a torque limit. But so far not looking good for the Densos unless it is Torque limits and they are amazing.
Not many piggies are hitting 1.87 60 foots or 3.87 0-60 so maybe this plug isnt an hks alternative.

Normally if it's a plug related misfire you'll eventually get a misfire code to go with it. Maybe you damaged one installing it. But it's also possible the plugs are fine and there is some other culprit. With detailed logs your tuner should be able to identify the difference.

 

[Tonkabob]

Because no tune, flash or other wise causes it! Is high transition cylinder pressure increasing current requirements of the plug to fire. What don't some of you people understand about this. Higher cylinder pressure will cause blow out on a fine wire plug left at stock gap of mid 0.30s .028 is the highest gap you should run anywhere close to 15psi.

Increasing dwell lengthens coil firing time, providing more current to overcome the air gap resistance. Closing the gap reduces the current required to bridge the gap. Gaps from .020 -.028 will have zero perceived or actual difference on projected tip fine wire plug, with cut back center electrode. None. I'll been through this on many FI platforms. I've tried every possible combinations of plugs from many different manufacturers. On the stinger I've tried HKS, brisk silver core, denso ikh24, And stock. Stock actual idles best because it's the only extended projection tip and a 7. Brisk felt most solid under load, but idles with a intermittent miss as DI motors don't like non projected tips. This is tuning 101.

I think "you people" do understand blow out and cylinder pressures but piggy backs often run higher boost, especially lap3 and even RC and have higher cylinder pressures and more blow out and more cracked plugs.19.5 , 20, 21 psi is more cylinder pressure than 17 on an ecu tune. So dismount the high horse.

 

[Tonkabob]

Normally if it's a plug related misfire you'll eventually get a misfire code to go with it. Maybe you damaged one installing it. But it's also possible the plugs are fine and there is some other culprit. With detailed logs your tuner should be able to identify the difference.

Definately didn't damage the a plug. Was super careful. It actually runs really strong, just won't launch. I'm leaning towards too strong and hitting some limiters. Was getting a bit of wheel spin on launch which is un usual for me.

 

[Blitz]

It's fine to ask the question. And as you saw I am happy to provide a detailed explanation. It was the attitude that threw me off. Anyway, I hope Tork takes me up on my suggestion. They provide the PIDs for whatever knock parameters they want us to monitor and we add them to the JB4 firmware so every JB4 customer can monitor them. And Tork customers can use the JB4 in logging only mode to monitor them as well if they'd like! Win Win!

I really wouldn't expect that of them personally.

If you're putting in the work to figure this shit out day after day, you should get to reap some rewards. I'm actually a huge fan of open source projects, but I certainly don't think it's expected. Especially if you're one of the only ones capable or willing to do it at the moment.

 

[Terry@BMS]

I really wouldn't expect that of them personally.

If you're putting in the work to figure this shit out day after day, you should get to reap some rewards. I'm actually a huge fan of open source projects, but I certainly don't think it's expected. Especially if you're one of the only ones capable or willing to do it at the moment.

Their argument is that the JB4 is making cars knock and we're hiding information from our customers by not including as many knock monitoring capabilities in the logging as we could. What a golden marketing opportunity for them to put up or shut up. Personally, I don't think he has the PIDs, and I wonder if he has any legitimate logging besides a $10 wifi adapter. I think if he did then we'd see logs posted with his runs. Look at the effort they put in to all those videos? Yet they can't be bothered to drive their marketing home with a log showcasing to potential customers how awesome their tuning is performing? Strains belief to me.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Definately didn't damage the a plug. Was super careful. It actually runs really strong, just won't launch. I'm leaning towards too strong and hitting some limiters. Was getting a bit of wheel spin on launch which is un usual for me.

Yes that's all part of the joy of BETA testing flash maps, to be expected.

 

[washguy]

I run the Denso's gapped like Terry suggested....the weather has ranged from the 90's to the forty's now...and I catch myself looking at the tach while stopped at a light to see if the engine is still running.. whether it be map1 2 or 3.... that's how smoooth she be... Wash

 

[Angel]

Out of 500 + piggy backs sold... that is the fastest time you have? Nuff said

Must hurt you the fact that Terry has sold more than 500 JB4 meanwhile you probably have not sold more than 20 stinger tunes LOL.....Nuff said!!!!
One more tip lol the reason there are no issues with your tune is because no one has it lol but Tonka and maybe a few others...breaking news everyone JB4 breaks stingers.... destroys turbos.....no breaks plugs........it damages your car...........If you get the Tork tune guys.....it makes stinger stronger.....it makes turbos stronger....it enhances the spark plugs performance.......you wont need warranty guys it makes the stinger more reliable that the OEM tune........This is the guy that says Terry is using personal insults and shady tactics.....your a funny guy.....here is a tip work at your customers service.....better pricing and group buys.....and stop bragging about record this and record that.......your not the only tuner get over it...clearly Terry comments bother you that you have to respond to everyone of them....focus on the topic at hand please you are a business owner acting like a kid.....go ahead everyone and disagree i am expecting it .....i am loyal to no vendor

 

[sting me]

Chill your roll, Terry. Don't start with the insults again, we're almost down to somewhat productive conversations.

Edit: you too, Angel. C'mon guys.

 

[Angel]

How about this. Since you seem to have trouble sticking to your promises of walking away from this. I’ll give you a one day ban if you reply to him.

Would that help?