Lets talk tuning, piggy back vs ECU flash.

[Tonkabob]

Thank you for the explanation, however I think I was looking at where the phrase "power adder" itself came from and what made it a point of contention in the thread. I have long understood the science side of it, but I couldn't understand why what was and wasn't a power adder wasn't agreed upon. From digging around a little bit, I found that sanctioned drag racing rules define "power adders" as a Turbocharger, Supercharger, or Nitrous Oxide. This really explains the back and forth more. If one took the phrase "power adder" literally, it could be anything like a camshaft, intake, decking the block, etc that when utilized the engine made more power. Whereas others in the drag racing community may see a "power adder" as only a supercharger, turbocharger, or nitrous oxide. Seems to boil down to semantics in this case.

The power adders you list are all forcing in more oxygen where wmi would be cooling and fuel/ anti knock for more agressive tuning. True you get a little more O2 since the charge is cooler but not forced like the others. (NO2 is not fuel it is 2/3 rds oxygen so you can burn more fuel)

 

[Tonkabob]

Viper guys are using 60-130: 7 second 60 to 130 with Arrow PCM
Hellcat guys are using 60-130: Whipple E85 Challenger Heavy Build
Mclaren guys are using 60-130: Hear what 60-130 in 6.2 seconds sounds like! - McLaren Life
Porsche guys are using 60-130: 6speedonline's official 1/4 Mile, 60-130, 100-150 and Standing Mile thread - 6SpeedOnline - Porsche Forum and Luxury Car Resource

Do I need to keep going? You're discounting something because you have no experience with it (just like piggybacks)

60 -130 is one of the 7 catagories dragy has on their leader board.
I suspect 1/4 mile and 0-60 are most popular.

 

[brancky3]

60 -130 is one of the 7 catagories dragy has on their leader board.
I suspect 1/4 mile and 0-60 are most popular.

Yea, I agree they're the most popular but illegally speaking they're the hardest to do on the street. Roll racing is much more popular in the real world; 60-130 is the epitome of roll racing.

 

[sting me]

Its not my business to post the trash from Facebook or Instagram on this forum. We will let time and customer reviews be the answer to your proof.

Straight up, dude, you're the one who started mentioning this in this thread. Either put up or shut up.

And just FYI, some rando on Facebook saying "mah tune blew up mah carrrr!" isn't actual proof. Pictures and receipts. Otherwise, it's just hearsay and rumors and is honestly just making you look like a dick.

 

[brancky3]

Straight up, dude, you're the one who started mentioning this in this thread. Either put up or shut up.

And just FYI, some rando on Facebook saying "mah tune blew up mah carrrr!" isn't actual proof. Pictures and receipts. Otherwise, it's just hearsay and rumors and is honestly just making you look like a dick.

Are you referring to these posts?

At least we don't have 3 sets of failed turbos to the list of tuning accomplishments. JB4 owns all those records

The average JB4 customer doesn't know the damage that the JB4 is causing their car, and as more and more come forward with the blown turbos, broken spark plugs and eventually failed engines...

 

[Tonkabob]

Yea, I agree they're the most popular but illegally speaking they're the hardest to do on the street. Roll racing is much more popular in the real world; 60-130 is the epitome of roll racing.

I'm not racing anyone on the street. Thats what the 1/4 mile track is for. But doing 130 in a 60 is a mandatory license loss here in Wa, 119 is just a ticket.

 

[sting me]

Are you referring to these posts?

Yeah. All we have is him saying it happened. Where's the proof?

Throwing out unsubstantiated claims about your competitor's product damaging customers cars seems like surprisingly solid grounds for a libel suit. Not to mention just making him look like an ass.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Yeah. All we have is him saying it happened. Where's the proof?

That's just how he rolls... Although he's pretty bipolar about it. He made this post earlier in this thread:

Here is the problem... the turbo failures could be a manufacturing flaw from first production line run. Or... we could have a tuning issue. It would appear that the only cars suffering from turbo failure are the ones with catless or aftermarket cats on the car. With more people getting catless, we will soon know what the issue is.

If you have a car with loud turbo whine stock, and then do a couple short runs on map2 at +4psi over stock, and then whine gets worse and starts leaking oil out of the turbo, I just don't see how how in any universe that is a tuning issue. Running higher boost levels puts more stress on parts and that is true whatever mechanism you use to raise the boost. If something is faulty or compromised from the factory it's going to fail sooner or later.

In terms of turbo failures they seems pretty isolated at this point, but remember we have tuned more Stingers out there than probably all of the other companies combined at this point. Whatever flaws the vehicles have from the factory are going to become apparent regardless of the tuning used. All of the tunes are running similar boost profiles. As a community we just need to keep an ear to the ground and identify if there are common weaknesses that are cause for concern (like, the well known stock spark plug gap issue) and then once identified vendors can advise customers accordingly.

As I always say one nice thing about the JB4 is you can pick your performance level on the fly. No need to remove and ship your ECU across the country for tuning changes. Concerned about turbo longevity? Run a mild map1 or enter your own map6 with heavy boost taper up top. Lending the car to a friend? Select map4 for 2L performance levels.

 

[Terry@BMS]

580whp is it running stock block / stock internals ?

Yes, but early days on tuning. It has a lot more in it. As to how much the block is going to hold I guess we will find out soon enough.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Out of 500 + piggy backs sold... that is the fastest time you have? Nuff said

See the risk about talking shit like that when you're literally 0.01th of a second ahead of the person you're talking to, is it's easy for them to go out and pass your time, resulting in you looking like an ass.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

See the risk about talking shit like that when you're literally 0.01th of a second ahead of the person you're talking to, is it's easy for them to go out and pass your time, resulting in you looking like an ass.

I think the same will hold true soon enough my friend.

 

[brancky3]

Incoming 5 month old tune comment

 

[Terry@BMS]

I think the same will hold true soon enough my friend.

Records are meant to be broken but you won't see me continually talking shit like John does. With all the mods and stuff on his car he will pass us up sooner or later. But our customers will still be benefiting from the JB4 v7 fueling changes that lead to our latest performance improvement for years to come.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Records are meant to be broken but you won't see me continually talking shit like John does. With all the mods and stuff on his car he will pass us up sooner or later. But our customers will still be benefiting from the JB4 v7 fueling changes that lead to our latest performance improvement for years to come.

I think yours is more modded but we will agree to disagree lol. Good run though im not taking that from you at all.

 

[brancky3]

I think yours is more modded but we will agree to disagree lol. Good run though im not taking that from you at all.

This is not a matter of opinion. Tork's car is more modded by far.

 

[TwinSnails]

Competition is good for all of us. Anyone who has ever raced will tell you, don’t get emotional over your car.... you will break it if you go to rash chasing times (Meaning: chase consistent times).

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

This is not a matter of opinion. Tork's car is more modded by far.

I believe the numbers were staggering close to 1,500-2,000 more mods in BMS vs the Tork car, but i guess the numbers lie

 

[Tonkabob]

This is not a matter of opinion. Tork's car is more modded by far.

They are both heavily moded, Terrys just has mods that most of us arn't running and arn't as obvious in improving the 1/4 mile times such as e30, DRs, wheels and of course methanol. Nothing wrong with this its good to be fast.
Broken record statement. Awds with all my mods plus both dps running 12.13 with both lap3 and jb4 is .18 slower which is all in the tune. Even Rwd with all those mods .12 slower. Is it really magic?
Both dps are 40hp minimum probably closer to 50hp.

 

[Terry@BMS]

I believe the numbers were staggering close to 1,500-2,000 more mods in BMS vs the Tork car, but i guess the numbers lie

Wow really? After I went through everything with you in the other thread and pointed out that the intercooler, chargepiping, downpipes, midpipes, exhaust, and springs he runs would be in the thousands in labor to install and the same to remove every time you go in, and that my 18" rims are worth less than the 19" rims I removed? Talk about willfully ignorant.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Wow really? After I went through everything with you in the other thread and pointed out that the intercooler, chargepiping, downpipes, midpipes, exhaust, and springs he runs would could be in the thousands in labor to install and same to remove every time you go in, and that my 18" rims are worth less than the 19" rims I removed? Talk about willfully ignorant.

You cant consider the resale value of parts that you change lol. And labor? Who is paying for labor. I do ALL my own installs to date besides a bit of welding.

For someone who doesnt want to be involved in Warranty Fraud you sure do mention about taking off mods everytime someone wants to go in quite a bit.

Like i said ill agree to disagree so this doenst derail this thread.... again.