Lets talk tuning, piggy back vs ECU flash.

[DaJackson]

It still seems just wrong to me... but guess that's on me. I get the logic, but fastest to the line would be who got there faster.... I'll have to let it sink in so I get it right.

I think the issue is that your merging two things together. In a heads up race the point is to get to the finish line first. How that happens doesn’t matter so whoever gets there first is fastest, quickest, most awesome whatever.

However when taking about a single car, quick and fast have different specific definitions. So when comparing tunes a faster car has a better top end or issues with traction. A quicker car is able to get off the line better. Speaking very generally. So being fastest has value and being quickest has value. Obviously quickest and fastest is always best.

 

[TorkMe]

This is insane...

The fastest on any list is the one that got across the line first. If we are going to start bragging about trap speeds, or other dumb shit... then we have left the realm of racing, and now we are just forcing our opinions on others.

Fact: the current fastest two cars are running pump gas
Fact: the current fastest two cars are not running methanol
Fact: the current fastest two cars are at different levels of modifications
Fact: the current 3rd place car seems to justify his 3rd place positions more than the other two guys above him
Fact: the current fastest car, ran that time 6 months ago.

Opinion: I do not want to share with the community, because our results have spoken, and spoken very loud at this point. If running 11's were so easy, out of the 500 + boxes that Terry has sold to the community... you would figure someone would be faster that the 2 dozen or so people we have tuned. Things that make you go hmmmm....

 

[TorkMe]

I think the issue is that your merging two things together. In a heads up race the point is to get to the finish line first. How that happens doesn’t matter so whoever gets there first is fastest, quickest, most awesome whatever.

However when taking about a single car, quick and fast have different specific definitions. So when comparing tunes a faster car has a better top end or issues with traction. A quicker car is able to get off the line better. Speaking very generally. So being fastest has value and being quickest has value. Obviously quickest and fastest is always best.

You watch, next popular thing will be roll racing because we cannot get traction

 

[brancky3]

You watch, next popular thing will be roll racing because we cannot get traction

Weird, it's like there's already this well accepted measurement for 60-130mph which is basically the exact same thing as roll racing (as if it were popular already)

 

[Tonkabob]

Plus this is dragy, reality my vary. We dont know what impact a slight slope has on trap or ets for that matter.
We know dragy is accurate on et on a flat track. Last we saw before they corrected their traps dragy ran 2-3 mph fast. I know they fixed it but no one has verified its accurate yet that i am aware of.
Lets measure dicks again in April when the tracks are open.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Plus this is dragy, reality my vary.

Lets measure dicks again in April when the tracks are open.

Bullshit, I just ordered a dragy from amazon and I will have it Monday. I'm getting the yard stick out bro. Lol jk

 

[TorkMe]

Weird, it's like there's already this well accepted measurement for 60-130mph which is basically the exact same thing as roll racing (as if it were popular already)

I have a problem with 60 to 130... its only 70 MPH worth of gain. If we are going to talk about how fast a car is, it should be 100 MPH gain. Example, 50 to 150 or 40 to 140. 60 to 130 is kind of insulting if we are talking about how fast a car is.

 

[Terry@BMS]

You can run whatever you want but 60-130mph is the universal standard. Generally whatever car has the quickest 60-130 time will also have the fastest trap speed. It's a great measurement of power to weight that in most cases eliminates traction.

Our JB4 tuned BMW 135i doing a single gear (all 4th gear) 60-130mph pull, at around 750whp, 3100# race weight. If I could get traction in 3rd this thing would be in the high 4s. New tires coming for it. Posting here just for those wondering how scary a 60-130mph run can be.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Plus this is dragy, reality my vary. We dont know what impact a slight slope has on trap or ets for that matter.

The slope reduction will probably drop trap speeds 1mph, but being able to get a good launch at the track will really help RWD vehicles. In your case you'll probably struggle to match that 11.95 at the track without more mods as the track won't be open when it's 30F outside and won't have the slope. For RWD cars the better 60' potential should more than offset slope and weather.

 

[TorkMe]

You can run whatever you want but 60-130mph is the universal standard. Generally whatever car has the quickest 60-130 time will also have the fastest trap speed. It's a great measurement of power to weight that in most cases eliminates traction.

Our JB4 tuned BMW 135i doing a single gear (all 4th gear) 60-130mph pull, at around 750whp, 3100# race weight. If I could get traction in 3rd this thing would be in the high 4s. New tires coming for it. Posting here just for those wondering how scary a 60-130mph run can be.

Odd, I rarely see top fuel or pro sport compact running the "universal standard" of 60 to 130, LOL

Is it me... or do you use the BMW market at the standard all the time over here in the Stinger page? I have a 800 HP SRT4... but never brag or talk about it in here, because it has no value for the Stinger community. I don't know if you are socially awkward, or just weird, but... can we please stick to the car of the forum we are talking about? Please?

As far as the "universal standard"... there is no such thing in the Stinger market. I am frustrated right now, because we have 1/4 mile times, we have 1/4 mile trap speeds, we have Dragy, we have track, we have (insert whats next, maybe it will be 60 to 130, lol). All for what reason? To justify why your car is in 3rd place on the list?

Terry, this thread is piggy back vs ECU tune... not excuse making time for, whatever your excuses are. Please, for the love of god... stay on topic.

 

[TorkMe]

The slope reduction will probably drop trap speeds 1mph, but being able to get a good launch at the track will really help RWD vehicles. In your case you'll probably struggle to match that 11.95 at the track without more mods as the track won't be open when it's 30F outside and won't have the slope. For RWD cars the better 60' potential should more than offset slope and weather.

Wait... what did you just say?

"You will struggle to match that 11.95 without more mods."

Terry... we are still beta testing the Stage 2 tune, we are no where near finished and my personal goal is to get a nearly bone stock Stinger to run 11's with our tune. Please, quit attempting to downplay what we have accomplished with just a little bit of tuning. Very soon, we will be posting results that are going to set a new standard in 1/4 mile (dragy or real) results.

 

[Terry@BMS]

I reference BMW stuff often because I spend a lot of time with it and this platform shares a lot of similarities. The Stinger is a scary similar to the BMW 7 series for example. BMW is our largest market, but we also do lot of work with VAG, MB, MINI, & EcoBoost. The Stinger is more of a up and coming platform but many of our customers are familiar with us from previous cars they had.

As you have noticed I've been very hands on with development and customer engagement. A lot of what we've learned from other platforms directly benefits newer ones like the Stinger. We're coming in to this with a decade of experience implementing this highly advanced tuning system relative to say Lap-pro who just released theirs.

Regarding your the Stinger list honestly I'm happy with where we stack up, 0.04s away from your best ET, ahead of you guys on trap speed, with fewer mods, and half the ego. It tells me we're doing something right over here. While the average JB4 customer just wants to install the system and enjoy their 70-100whp gain come spring time when tracks open I think you'll see a lot more activity. If we had a customer as dedicated to doing dragy runs as Torkabob I have no doubt we'd have his times beat by now.

 

[Tonkabob]

The slope reduction will probably drop trap speeds 1mph, but being able to get a good launch at the track will really help RWD vehicles. In your case you'll probably struggle to match that 11.95 at the track without more mods as the track won't be open when it's 30F outside and won't have the slope. For RWD cars the better 60' potential should more than offset slope and weather.

Totally agree that today i may not run a 11.95 at the track. Although my first run of my last track day in october was at 39 degrees. But you still need to sit around and get heat soak.
But by the time the track opens ill have a tune update, dp, wheels and be running 11.7s.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Totally agree that today i may not run a 11.95 at the track. Although my first run of my last track day in october was at 39 degrees. But you still need to sit around and get heat soak.
But by the time the track opens ill have a tune update, dp, wheels and be running 11.7s.

The DPs will boost torque, wheels will help. Maybe there is a few HP in there with more boost or timing but it's really close to diminishing marginal returns IMHO. I've done runs at 18psi and 20psi with the same trap for example. Anyway I definitely see 11.7x as possible for you.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Very soon, we will be posting results that are going to set a new standard in 1/4 mile (dragy or real) results.

Looking forward to it.

 

[Tonkabob]

I reference BMW stuff often because I spend a lot of time with it and this platform shares a lot of similarities. The Stinger is a scary similar to the BMW 7 series for example. BMW is our largest market, but we also do lot of work with VAG, MB, MINI, & EcoBoost. The Stinger is more of a up and coming platform but many of our customers are familiar with us from previous cars they had.

As you have noticed I've been very hands on with development and customer engagement. A lot of what we've learned from other platforms directly benefits newer ones like the Stinger. We're coming in to this with a decade of experience implementing this highly advanced tuning system relative to say Lap-pro who just released theirs.

Regarding your the Stinger list honestly I'm happy with where we stack up, 0.04s away from your best ET, ahead of you guys on trap speed, with fewer mods, and half the ego. It tells me we're doing something right over here. While the average JB4 customer just wants to install the system and enjoy their 70-100whp gain come spring time when tracks open I think you'll see a lot more activity. If we had a customer as dedicated to doing dragy runs as Torkabob I have no doubt we'd have his times beat by now.

I've only done 9 - 1/4 mile dragy runs total. But more on the way.
Your car is great at showing the benefits of WMI and ethanol. They are impressive especially with drag radials and light wheels.
But the next fastest jb4 car is 12.13. With every bolt on mod available. Fastest lap3 pro is 12.07 with every bolt on available. I don't have any dps and running 11.95. That is a better comparision than a wmi car when you are the only one running wmi. Being only .04 slower et is misleading if you are comparing tunes.
Your 11.99 also becomes a 12.1, 12.13 with out the 19 lb wheels an DRs. Again no one else has these. Yet.

 

[TwinSnails]

That 12.13 car is going to get quite a bit faster... trust me. Just needs to a little fine polishing. That 12.13 was also at a so-so track. Get it to Rockingham here in N.C. and that time gets even faster.

Now I’m not talking about JB4 vs ECU... I’m just saying @Crewdawg130 ’s ride has more in it.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Eh the bench racing gets tiring. I know a JB4 customer ran ~12.07@117mph last week (at a real track) on a sweet 1.90 60' time using front tires and rims from his GTR. High flow cats I believe. Hopefully we see him in the 11s next time he hits the track!

 

[TorkMe]

Eh the bench racing gets tiring. I know a JB4 customer ran ~12.07@117mph last week (at a real track) on a sweet 1.90 60' time using front tires and rims from his GTR. High flow cats I believe. Hopefully we see him in the 11s next time he hits the track!

Out of 500 + piggy backs sold... that is the fastest time you have? Nuff said

 

[TorkMe]

I reference BMW stuff often because I spend a lot of time with it and this platform shares a lot of similarities. The Stinger is a scary similar to the BMW 7 series for example. BMW is our largest market, but we also do lot of work with VAG, MB, MINI, & EcoBoost. The Stinger is more of a up and coming platform but many of our customers are familiar with us from previous cars they had.

As you have noticed I've been very hands on with development and customer engagement. A lot of what we've learned from other platforms directly benefits newer ones like the Stinger. We're coming in to this with a decade of experience implementing this highly advanced tuning system relative to say Lap-pro who just released theirs.

Regarding your the Stinger list honestly I'm happy with where we stack up, 0.04s away from your best ET, ahead of you guys on trap speed, with fewer mods, and half the ego. It tells me we're doing something right over here. While the average JB4 customer just wants to install the system and enjoy their 70-100whp gain come spring time when tracks open I think you'll see a lot more activity. If we had a customer as dedicated to doing dragy runs as Torkabob I have no doubt we'd have his times beat by now.

Ok, since this is the ECU vs piggy back tuning thread.

Can you post the ECU similarities, that being the map index's of both vehicles that share the same maps? Or have similar maps?

I feel like I keep asking the same question in this thread, and you either:

A: refuse to answer it
B: insult me for asking you to provide said files (just like this last reply)
C: tell me that anyone can go buy a DAMOS file (yet for some reason you have not done this)

Then, to read that unethical post about you over on the BMW forums about you stealing tunes from another person and offering them up at yours? Shit, that means I am going to have to start adding more encryption to my tunes to keep you from stealing all my hard work.

The average JB4 customer doesn't know the damage that the JB4 is causing their car, and as more and more come forward with the blown turbos, broken spark plugs and eventually failed engines... then the market will be smarter, but at the cost of the consumers you managed to convince to run the JB4.