Bad paint micro blue gt

[ibmaxx]

Have you got them on yours Shannon? Only asking because so far you’re the only Aussie to post. Was wondering if it’s an issue for us or just our North American friends. All the other posts are US or Canada

Ive been following this thread with interest because of its implications. I long ago concluded it was a sealant problem as if a bubble is punctured there is only an air pocket in a thick bubble of tack with what seems bare metal below, So, an issue of adherence perhaps or a curing problem. Whatever, I just fill the hole with paint which fixes that but not new ones appearing or old ones growing either before or after filling.
Can't help but think this thread needs renaming to avoid reference to micro blue which may cause others to ignore the posting. How about a rename to something like ' Stinger Pox - Does your car have it?' or anything to attract more viewers who know nothing of the problem.

So no it ain't just a North American problem it's also down here on my pearl white GT. Would be very interested in what Kia might have to say but we need more exposure and awareness on this.

 

[Coast GT]

Ive been following this thread with interest because of its implications. I long ago concluded it was a sealant problem as if a bubble is punctured there is only an air pocket in a thick bubble of tack with what seems bare metal below, So, an issue of adherence perhaps or a curing problem. Whatever, I just fill the hole with paint which fixes that but not new ones appearing or old ones growing either before or after filling.
Can't help but think this thread needs renaming to avoid reference to micro blue which may cause others to ignore the posting. How about a rename to something like ' Stinger Pox - Does your car have it?' or anything to attract more viewers who know nothing of the problem.

So no it ain't just a North American problem it's also down here on my pearl white GT. Would be very interested in what Kia might have to say but we need more exposure and awareness on this.

Agree the title should be changed as it appears to affect everyone but as a micro blue owner it’s what got me interested to begin with. Like you I’ve been following it for a while with interest. I’ll be checking my car as soon as I get back home.

 

[ShannonC]

Have you got them on yours Shannon? Only asking because so far you’re the only Aussie to post. Was wondering if it’s an issue for us or just our North American friends. All the other posts are US or Canada

Yes, I have two or three on each door but haven't located them anywhere else. Yesterday my Dealer showed me a new MY19 which had similar "symptoms" but they did not have any concerns about it.

 

[Kamauxx]

I've got about 10 spots on the rear passenger door and two or three on the rest.

Only one has popped, so far.

No issues where the roof and hatch meet.

I'll be keeping an eye on the rest and this thread.

11/17 build. Ceramic Silver.

 

[DiabloStinger]

I'm not sure why @MerlintheMad is so wuick to dismiss a clear defect on a premium level car...

Let me just restate. I've owned cheap cars, premium cars, medium cars... Tons of them. Not a single vehicle has ever had a soft feel on the inside door seam. In all my years of car shows and tuning I've also never seen anything like this .. although potentially cosmetic.
I really don't care if they are paint runs or ectoplasm seeping from the bowels of the earth ... Kia is going to make it right. If they can't fix it, I'll buy another one made at a different time. If that one is jacked up I'll do the same thing. I love what this car offers, but I'm not going to just dismiss something like this because "2019my have them too and the dealers aren't worried". I'm worried. I'm annoyed. But I'm more annoyed by apologists.

 

[Kamauxx]

I'm not sure why @MerlintheMad is so wuick to dismiss a clear defect on a premium level car...

Let me just restate. I've owned cheap cars, premium cars, medium cars... Tons of them. Not a single vehicle has ever had a soft feel on the inside door seam. In all my years of car shows and tuning I've also never seen anything like this .. although potentially cosmetic.
I really don't care if they are paint runs or ectoplasm seeping from the bowels of the earth ... Kia is going to make it right. If they can't fix it, I'll buy another one made at a different time. If that one is jacked up I'll do the same thing. I love what this car offers, but I'm not going to just dismiss something like this because "2019my have them too and the dealers aren't worried". I'm worried. I'm annoyed. But I'm more annoyed by apologists.

I wouldn't get too worked up about it. I noticed in any thread that mentions an issue with the car he dismisses it. It's just the way he replies to them all. Nobody knows why. Maybe he helped Kia build and design the car. Enough about Doug.

My question is what are our options? Did Kia tell you they were going to repaint just the inside of the doors?

 

[Revvdmedia]

I wouldn't get too worked up about it. I noticed in any thread that mentions an issue with the car he dismisses it. It's just the way he replies to them all. Nobody knows why. Maybe he helped Kia build and design the car. Enough about Doug.

My question is what are our options? Did Kia tell you they were going to repaint just the inside of the doors?

Options will start to come with awareness, Kia's investigation and subsequent conclusion and possible fix if required.

I strongly urge every owner with this issue to bring it up to their dealer on their next service visit, unless it's manifesting for the worst, in which case it should be addressed sooner.

I'll be going into my first service with a list of concerns to at least have them documented in case these problems worsen over time. Us trying to surmise here what the root cause is won't help, Kia needs to be aware, and in mass if it is a widespread occurrence. I'm sure if the numbers were reasonable, Kia will have a hard time ignoring this.

 

[MerlintheMad]

"The Stinger Pox", lol.

Does anyone seriously believe that it's turning into that? This is going to be far less of an issue than flaking/chipping/peeling paint. Both in percentage of cars affected, and also harm to the car's value. A blister bursting can be fixed with ease, as indicated above; drop some paint on it. The door is hollow. There are drain holes on the bottom edge. It is expected that moisture will get in there, and drain out, and be aired out, etc. Our doors are not going to rust out and fall off as a model flaw and failure. Pox, indeed.

 

[DiabloStinger]

The service manager asked me to go back to the body shop and get a revised estimate.

Kia made it clear that I should make myself aware if my state laws...
'Under the Motor Vehicle Warranties Law, the dealer from which you purchased your defective vehicle is allowed a "reasonable number of attempts" to bring your car to the standards defined by the express warranty; 4 attempts to repair or a combined 30 days in the shop qualify as "reasonable."

If after that number of repairs or amount of time the defect has not been corrected, you are entitled to a vehicle replacement or a refund of the purchase price (minus a fair amount for the time the automobile was used successfully).'

So they have 30 days to repaint the vehicle in whichever fashion they choose. They'll have to remove all door and hatch, but I'm not sure of the extent of the repair. My hatch has additional issues with paint adhesion on the forward edge so that will need to be taken to bare metal.
If they finish in 30 days it will be a miracle. Kia also said a "Goodwill" gesture can also apply in the form of compensation.

After all this I can tell you I'm not expecting anything to go smoothly. It's been my experience that every repair has minor issues. It's also why I've requested a buyback ahead of this process but expect to be initially denied.

I expect the paintwork to be done. I expect it will take a month or so. I expect them to throw some cash at me. If they do and it's enough I may accept, then immediately trade out to another stinger which I inspect head to toe.

 

[MerlintheMad]

So they have 30 days to repaint the vehicle in whichever fashion they choose.

Heh! How many just on this forum alone have had their Stinger out of commission being repainted far longer than thirty days? Are lemon laws that different? Or do that many owners have the law on their side if they choose to pursue action?

"You've burbled every bit of strategy you've got. And I have told you exactly nothing. To these aging eyes, boy, that's what winning is." (King Henry, The Lion In Winter)

I'd be keeping my intended plan of action closer to my chest if I were you.

 

[Kamauxx]

I expect them to throw some cash at me. If they do and it's enough I may accept, then immediately trade out to another stinger which I inspect head to toe.

Might be a good time to check out a G70, too.

 

[forzanerazzurri]

I think were at the point were we just have to start accepting that this car is poorly built. All cars have design flaws that are never addressed throughout their whole lifecycle (otherwise every car would be a perfect specimen of engineering by the time the final model rolls off the line). A Lada is a Lada and no matter how much you complain about it, the car isnt going to transform into a Porsche through warranty claims.

 

[westcoastGT]

I think were at the point were we just have to start accepting that this car is poorly built. All cars have design flaws that are never addressed throughout their whole lifecycle (otherwise every car would be a perfect specimen of engineering by the time the final model rolls off the line). A Lada is a Lada and no matter how much you complain about it, the car isnt going to transform into a Porsche through warranty claims.

..........a little extreme , there a a few early production issues with a few cars , as many as I've experienced with BMW but not worse . i've had mine for a year now and still love driving it and have a funny smug sense of "I know better than you " when I drive past the herd of German cars etc ..........you dont get the kudos , awards , and fawning of the Auto Journalists being "poorly built " ................remind us again what you drive ??

 

[Kamauxx]

I think were at the point were we just have to start accepting that this car is poorly built. All cars have design flaws that are never addressed throughout their whole lifecycle (otherwise every car would be a perfect specimen of engineering by the time the final model rolls off the line). A Lada is a Lada and no matter how much you complain about it, the car isnt going to transform into a Porsche through warranty claims.

I wouldn't go that far. I think a lot of what we're experiencing (paint issues, rattles/creeks, brake/rotor problems) are due to this being a completely new car. Those of us with 2018s (especially earlier builds) are guinae pigs for Kia's engineers. The 2020 model year Stingers won't have the hatch/sunroof rattles and braking vibration and rubbery paint because we all martyred ourselves by being early adopters.

We need to make sure we're staying on Kia's case and not dismissing (ahem, D. Larsen, cough cough) these issues just because we like our Stinger better than our last car. If no one reports the problems Kia will never know to fix them.

 

[Revvdmedia]

Those of us with 2018s (especially earlier builds) are guinae pigs for Kia's engineers. The 2020 model year Stingers won't have the hatch/sunroof rattles and braking vibration and rubbery paint because we all martyred ourselves by being early adopters.

We need to make sure we're staying on Kia's case and not dismissing these issues just because we like our Stinger better than our last car. If no one reports the problems Kia will never know to fix them.

Cars are the sum of thousands of parts and a plethora of suppliers. Some of the blame can go directly to Kia based on internal manufacturing defects, lack of sufficient testing/analysis, etc. Some of the blame can go to the parts suppliers, for example, brakes. Kia doesn't make Brembo calipers, and it's likely they did not make the pads or rotors either. I would blame the suppliers on that issue with brake pads and rotors. Paint might be a manufacturing defect by Kia, or the supplier may have royally screwed the pooch on the mixture.

Regardless of who is to blame, Kia must fix the problems since the sum of parts is THEIR car. Whether or not Kia can shift liability to the third party suppliers and receive compensation is their own issue and prerogative. This isn't me alleviating Kia of blame, but rather admitting that some things are outside of control that we think Kia SHOULD have. I work in manufacturing and I am very well versed to becoming liable for our vendors' supply issues whether it be delivery, price or quality.

That being said, we absolutely should be documenting these issues with Kia. To Kamauxx's point, I too hope that Kia will have all the issues ironed out within a model year or two. What that means for us early adopters (with our lengthy comprehensive warranty) is we should be able to expect to voice our issues and expect that Kia has revised techniques/tweaks and replacement parts that will fix our problems. Currently, my sunroof is quiet. It might have a hint of noise which I surmise as being most likely the weather stripping that I haven't given an application of lubricant along the entire seal yet. If my sunroof starts to rattle over time, I hope that Kia has identified the cause and has an internal procedure to fix it based on revisions made to subsequent builds.

If the above assumption doesn't transpire, then I will have to agree with forzanerazzurri that we have poorly built cars.

 

[westcoastGT]

Cars are the sum of thousands of parts and a plethora of suppliers. Some of the blame can go directly to Kia based on internal manufacturing defects, lack of sufficient testing/analysis, etc. Some of the blame can go to the parts suppliers, for example, brakes. Kia doesn't make Brembo calipers, and it's likely they did not make the pads or rotors either. I would blame the suppliers on that issue with brake pads and rotors. Paint might be a manufacturing defect by Kia, or the supplier may have royally screwed the pooch on the mixture.

Regardless of who is to blame, Kia must fix the problems since the sum of parts is THEIR car. Whether or not Kia can shift liability to the third party suppliers and receive compensation is their own issue and prerogative. This isn't me alleviating Kia of blame, but rather admitting that some things are outside of control that we think Kia SHOULD have. I work in manufacturing and I am very well versed to becoming liable for our vendors' supply issues whether it be delivery, price or quality.

That being said, we absolutely should be documenting these issues with Kia. To Kamauxx's point, I too hope that Kia will have all the issues ironed out within a model year or two. What that means for us early adopters (with our lengthy comprehensive warranty) is we should be able to expect to voice our issues and expect that Kia has revised techniques/tweaks and replacement parts that will fix our problems. Currently, my sunroof is quiet. It might have a hint of noise which I surmise as being most likely the weather stripping that I haven't given an application of lubricant along the entire seal yet. If my sunroof starts to rattle over time, I hope that Kia has identified the cause and has an internal procedure to fix it based on revisions made to subsequent builds.

If the above assumption doesn't transpire, then I will have to agree with forzanerazzurri that we have poorly built cars.

I agree with you , and you own a Stinger , have skin in the game , I struggle with people like Forza...... that dont own the car . Likely will never own this car or anything in its price range in the near term and yet continue to lurk on this forum seeking and celebrating every nuance of negativity they can , move on , your job is done

 

[MerlintheMad]

I think were at the point were we just have to start accepting that this car is poorly built.

No we don't. You can all you like. I haven't seen a single thing on my Stinger that looks, feels or is poorly built. I'm not comparing to anything else because I can't: I've never sat in much less test driven any Bimmer, Audi, Mercedes, much less Porsche. I haven't even looked at the Korean alternatives or any of the other Asian offerings. Years have not gone by with me dreaming of the day that I would finally buy a new car for the first time. It happened quickly; because I read about the Stinger; then I drove one; and then I got a great buyer's experience at a great dealership. A little over two months later, I came here. That was the first hint that not everyone else was having as fully satisfying of an experience as I am. Naturally I have remained interested in the different opinions based on others' experiences. And decidedly, heavily weighted opinion falls on the side of satisfaction. If the Stinger were "poorly built", I would have noticed something on my car before now; and the majority of Stingers would be manifesting crap builds; and the reviews would reflect this. You have zero evidence to say such a thing; but you are acting very much in character around here.

 

[westcoastGT]

No we don't. You can all you like. I haven't seen a single thing on my Stinger that looks, feels or is poorly built. I'm not comparing to anything else because I can't: I've never sat in much less test driven any Bimmer, Audi, Mercedes, much less Porsche. I haven't even looked at the Korean alternatives or any of the other Asian offerings. Years have not gone by with me dreaming of the day that I would finally buy a new car for the first time. It happened quickly; because I read about the Stinger; then I drove one; and then I got a great buyer's experience at a great dealership. A little over two months later, I came here. That was the first hint that not everyone else was having as fully satisfying of an experience as I am. Naturally I have remained interested in the different opinions based on others' experiences. And decidedly, heavily weighted opinion falls on the side of satisfaction. If the Stinger were "poorly built", I would have noticed something on my car before now; and the majority of Stingers would be manifesting crap builds; and the reviews would reflect this. You have zero evidence to say such a thing; but you are acting very much in character around here.

Its actually funny how pathetic his posts are getting now .......................

 

[Stinger GT SS]

What all this boils down to is, for the last 12 months this car has been in “service” & 99.9% of all reviews in the media & by motoring journalists rate this car highly & some people just cannot deal with all this postivity toward the Stinger let alone the Kia brand, sure the car has some issues & faults, but hey what car doesn’t, in my experience & wilth most posted comments Kia has not run away from any issue & stands by their product.
So to the nay sayers or non Stinger Owners here or any other place else, you need to step back & take another look as you are becoming a minority of people who just cannot accept that for a first offering Kia has built a reasonable priced & excellent performance vehicle, imagine what the 2nd generation is going to bring....moving forward.

 

[DiabloStinger]

@MerlintheMad I know most of what you say is intended in jest, but any vehicle that has issues with paint sticking to the metal is partially poorly built. The rest of the car is fabulous.

This isn't a witch hunt or anything more than s place to vent frustration over something that should not happen. The funny thing is I might have three paint chips from rocks... Holding up much better in that regard.