All Season tires

[Waynerm002]

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A correction: my "low" tire pressure isn't. I was going by the TPMS readout, which was forgetful of me: the TPMS has to calibrate upon getting new tires, and that takes at least 25 miles. As of this morning, the reading is c. 3-4 psi low but more consistent. Will it go up to read 36 and 38 psi? Time will tell.

If TPMS doesn't give an accurate reading, is there a remedy?

Merlin, I don't go by the TPMS, I check it at the wheel. I noticed my TPMS can be a PSI or 2 off so I jst go by what the actual reading is from the wheel as this is more accurate. Get a good tire pressure meter to read it.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Merlin, I don't go by the TPMS, I check it at the wheel. I noticed my TPMS can be a PSI or 2 off so I jst go by what the actual reading is from the wheel as this is more accurate. Get a good tire pressure meter to read it.

I did that. O'Reilly's has a nifty double-ended pressure gauge; makes applying really easy; you just stick your thumb on the upward facing end and push down and it lines up without squirting around the end of the valve stem (a thoroughly annoying occurrence with most pressure gauges, for me anyway).

This can be like speedometers being "off"; you learn whether your speedo is a couple of miles per hour fast or slow and instinctively calculate your real speed. A TPMS reading that is consistently low by say 2 psi still tells you the tire pressures as you drive. Who wants to be wielding a pressure gauge at the wheel every time you stop?

 

[Grayt 8]

I did that. O'Reilly's has a nifty double-ended pressure gauge; makes applying really easy; you just stick your thumb on the upward facing end and push down and it lines up without squirting around the end of the valve stem (a thoroughly annoying occurrence with most pressure gauges, for me anyway).

This can be like speedometers being "off"; you learn whether your speedo is a couple of miles per hour fast or slow and instinctively calculate your real speed. A TPMS reading that is consistently low by say 2 psi still tells you the tire pressures as you drive. Who wants to be wielding a pressure gauge at the wheel every time you stop?

Yeah, or your tire pressure gauge is off and the TPMS in the car is correct.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Yeah, or your tire pressure gauge is off and the TPMS in the car is correct.

At least we can test a tire pressure gauge by using more than one. We only have one TPMS gauge.

 

[Waynerm002]

So here is a question. When you get your tires changed and they charge you for calibrating the TPMS, what do they really do? How can it be re-calibrated? I ask as my TPMS was on point with my tire gauge before changing tires and now it isn't. I question that charge as if all it takes to reset it is to drive a few miles. I don't need to pay anyone for that, I can do that myself.

 

[Grayt 8]

So here is a question. When you get your tires changed and they charge you for calibrating the TPMS, what do they really do? How can it be re-calibrated? I ask as my TPMS was on point with my tire gauge before changing tires and now it isn't. I question that charge as if all it takes to reset it is to drive a few miles. I don't need to pay anyone for that, I can do that myself.

My understanding is that a service shop recalibrates the location of each wheel to the car's reading of location of each wheel. Some say the Stinger will recalibrate itself on the position of each wheel. I don't think the recalibration step shops perform has anything to do with the psi reading. On one of my other vehicles, there is a position relearn process for after rotating the tires.

 

[MerlintheMad]

So here is a question. When you get your tires changed and they charge you for calibrating the TPMS, what do they really do? How can it be re-calibrated? I ask as my TPMS was on point with my tire gauge before changing tires and now it isn't. I question that charge as if all it takes to reset it is to drive a few miles. I don't need to pay anyone for that, I can do that myself.

Big O's invoice shows: "TPMS labor 4 x 7 $28.00". So they do something like what @Grayt 8 is talking about; and then the TPMS adjusts through "running in". I'm keeping an eye on my tire pressure gauge in the LCD display to see if/when the system gets in sync with reality. And I'm wondering if it ever were in sync with reality, and I am only now noticing the discrepancy.

 

[Waynerm002]

Checked a couple of places near me and they don't carry the Nitto Motivo or at least it doesn't show up for my car. Same thing when I do the online lookup however, when I look at the sizes, ours is listed. I'll try the again to see if they do a look up by size if those show in their inventory. Showed me a summer tire ad said it was recommended as an all season tire.

 

[MisterMac]

Do you have a discount tire? If not,

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Checked a couple of places near me and they don't carry the Nitto Motivo or at least it doesn't show up for my car. Same thing when I do the online lookup however, when I look at the sizes, ours is listed. I'll try the again to see if they do a look up by size if those show in their inventory. Showed me a summer tire ad said it was recommended as an all season tire.

 

[Waynerm002]

I checked them out and saw a set of Pirelli Cintuarato Strada, I remembered how good Pirelli tires are an how comfortable and quiet they are so I plan on calling them to get some details on that on before I decide.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Coming down Big Cottonwood canyon in the dark this evening, I entered one of the extended right hand turns, it just keeps coming at you. And the Nitto Motivo A/S UHPs did a little two step understeer dance. My wife thought that I did that, but I had to admit to her that the car did it on its own. A bit disconcerting in the dark! I was probably above the speed that I've driven that curve before. But the Pilot summer tires never did any sort of understeer. So I will have to be more careful, either to go slower or use more power through. The road is narrow and oncoming traffic is unseen until it is in your face. So power through might be a rash move too. I think I'll just slow down a tad next time.

On the positive side: we drove into a torrential thunder and rain storm. Heaviest I've driven in all year. The Stinger is a superb "rain car". And the Motivo A/Ss seemed unphased by the water running across the road; acceleration was most impressive. I might have got the first bit of wheel spin, but if so it was so brief that I wasn't sure it had happened at all.

 

[Waynerm002]

Merlin, keep in mind that you went from a tire with more grip to something with less. The performance level is lower as you give up some traction to gain that all season capability. You'll have to dial back your driving a bit so as not to lose grip with those.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Merlin, keep in mind that you went from a tire with more grip to something with less. The performance level is lower as you give up some traction to gain that all season capability. You'll have to dial back your driving a bit so as not to lose grip with those.

Heh! You are echoing my guardian angel(s) this morning. Thanks for looking out for me!

That would be "more grip" in the dry. In rainy conditions these Motivos are going to grip better than the summer tires. But neither proposition is going to grip like either tire in the dry. Straight forward acceleration was impressive, but I would really tone it down on a curve.

 

[MisterMac]

No doubt, nothing sticks like summer tires on warn and dry pavement. Yet, as far as A/S tires go, these Nitto Motivo tires balance all road conditions as well as any I've ever driven on and for the price per tire, that is an exceptional accomplishment, IMO.

 

[Waynerm002]

Summers are great in rain as well, they are mainly for dry and wet use. The lower the temps, the more the performance degrades.

 

[MerlintheMad]

I took the same extended right hander about as fast this afternoon as last night. No problem. I think that the road must have been somewhat wet last night. It was bone dry this afternoon and the Motivos took the curve very well, not a peep and no understeer.

 

[Waynerm002]

I've been doing some more research on the tires and I am going to give the Motivos a shot. From my research and links provided here, the tires should be quieter than tires Bridgestone, Continental, General, Michelin and Pirelli version while providing similar snow performance. A check of the forecast lists cooler temps closer to the end of the month so I'll get them in a coupe of weeks. How have the temps been in your area Merlin? How are your's holding up so far?

 

[MerlintheMad]

How have the temps been in your area Merlin? How are your's holding up so far?

Mild to chilly, nothing into the 30s yet. But last week I did drive up to the Uintas and it got down to c. freezing, and the roads were wet with small and occasional patches of slush. I thought that the tires did great. Last night I rounded a tight onramp curve that had an unexpected hump in it and the car went up and back down while I was feeding in acceleration; a quick jab of understeer without the slightest noise and then we were away. I like them very well so far. But of course, as you say, we have to give up some grip in order to get A/S. But it would take racing speeds to show up the difference between these Motivos and the Pilot Super Sports, in my estimation: I'm not there yet!

 

[Waynerm002]

I ordered mine today and the was advised by the sales guy that the performance won't be at the same level. I explained I understand that but will keep those tires to put on again in the summer and use them until they wear down. I'll share my experience once they are installed and I have had some miles on them.

 

[Waynerm002]

One thing I forgot to ask, have you noticed better mileage due to the tire change? Seeing as how they are less sticky than the Michelin PS 4, I would think the economy would increase.