Drag/Acceleration Weight of the worlds fastest Stinger....

[Get Stung]

121 is blazing fast on the track. Congrats! Your second half is super strong.

Thanks back at it next Wednesday. Not sure what the 285/ 20s are gonna do for my et, probably not good but we will find out none the less. Hoping to have my CF hood on by then. I know my 60 will be absolute shit. Been running some 4.1 0 to 60s with them which I find a bit encouraging giving that temps have climbed. See what happens

 

[Tonkabob]

Thanks back at it next Wednesday. Not sure what the 285/ 20s are gonna do for my et, probably not good but we will find out none the less. Hoping to have my CF hood on by then. I know my 60 will be absolute shit. Been running some 4.1 0 to 60s with them which I find a bit encouraging giving that temps have climbed. See what happens

Did you go with 285/25 20s? That shouldn't slow you down.
What size in the front?
Angel has added WMI and Torks car is fixed this week so should be seeing some new records soon.

 

[Get Stung]

Did you go with 285/25 20s? That shouldn't slow you down.
What size in the front?
Angel has added WMI and Torks car is fixed this week so should be seeing some new records soon.

 

[Tonkabob]

Even with that 30 series rear since the rim is 10.5 wide I bet the overall height will be close to stock with the stretch.

 

[Get Stung]

Even with that 30 series rear since the rim is 10.5 wide I bet the overall height will be close to stock with the stretch.

It's the weight of the tire that's got me concerned.

 

[Tonkabob]

It's the weight of the tire that's got me concerned.

lose 12 lbs on the rim and gain 3lbs on the tire? Should be faster if you get some decent temps.

 

[Get Stung]

lose 12 lbs on the rim and gain 3lbs on the tire? Should be faster if you get some decent temps.

I weighed em thier heavier. Probably deduct a couple lbs for the card board wrap. Btw the passenger seat is 67.5

 

[Terry@BMS]

Thanks back at it next Wednesday. Not sure what the 285/ 20s are gonna do for my et, probably not good but we will find out none the less. Hoping to have my CF hood on by then. I know my 60 will be absolute shit. Been running some 4.1 0 to 60s with them which I find a bit encouraging giving that temps have climbed. See what happens

20s will slow you down for sure (more of the weight is further from the axis of rotation) but at least you'll be going down the track in style.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

I only see 22 PSI in 1st gear where the RPMs are low. 3rd and 4th are usually 19 to 21 PSI, which is right in the sweet spot. If tune, intake, IC and a quiet custom catback is "more mods" I'll take it.

JB4 map 5 goes +7 PSI and WMI map can go +8 PSI, which is 21 and 22 PSI, Lap 3 goes 21.7 I think on WMI (Stock warm IATs boost is 14 PSI). But yes i'm running the same traps as the 100+ lb lighter GT WMI cars running the same boost and only beating their ETs by .11 for the best examples and .2 to .3 for the rest of the Jb4 pack. I know Angel and GetStung have only hit the 11s once each with significant variation run to run and I have a dozen 11 second times and a half dozen in the 11.8s. I had a few runs with 145 degree IATs (low 70s ambient) and boost and timing where not pulled still hitting some 12.0s
Here are my best runs from last week 11.89,11.90,11.91,11.92 with IATs around 120 and temps in the mid 60s.

The 120 trap Getstung saw may have been a misread as his dragy on that same run said 118 and all his other runs slip and dragy that day were hitting 116 - 118s. The 120 trap run also was not a fast ET. But IATs are everything. I can hit 120 trap with a cooler intake temp but don't want the hassle and extra wires and plumbing of WMI. I'm daily driving my 11 second car and its always ready to go.

Wow again, and now you’re really confusing me... So you’re saying your boost is setup backwards and you have more boost in first gear than 2nd-8th?

I’m pretty sure stock Stingers don’t provide 100% boost in first gear. Kia did this for multiple reasons, from helping with traction(rwd) to protecting the drivetrain from excessive strain, but your saying Tork increased your boost to 22psi just in 1st? Makes sense why you have quicker 0-60s but that’s gotta be really tough on the trans/differential, etc.

And yes according to your mod list in the 1/4m thread(Drag/Acceleration - The Official 1/4 mile track thread.)you have “more mods” or comparable mods to most other top Stingers. You did forget to include SSR DPs, and lightweight wheels above and hope that wasn’t on purpose, #hidemods JK JK

But yes just compared to Angel you also have an FMIC, full catback exhaust(vs deletes) & lightweight wheels. You also have higher launch RPM & hold more power between shifts vs a chip. Even with those advantages you still had slower traps, and the .1 quicker ET simply comes from your better launch & 60ft time.

Compared to STINGER & GetStung your different mods almost wash each other out, but they still have 1-3mph faster traps which means noticeably more HP.

Yes Map 5 & 8 add UP TO +7 & +8psi but most Stingers run about 12psi not 14psi. Think 14psi is an exception to the norm and unfair to assume that as the baseline for most JB4 Stingers. I have yet to see JB4 dynos pushing over 20psi even with WMI. Xot1 recently shared WOT map8 runs and maxed at 18.5psi with a +7.5psi target boost. So maxing at +8 target would only hit 19psi which is still almost 4psi less than your max boost.

Don’t get me wrong and I mean no disrespect. I know ECU tunes have many advantages and will be needed for the fastest Stingers. And I agree you have very consistent 11sec runs so you still hold the record for quickest 0-60 & 1/4m times. I’m simply trying to keep the facts straight and show that ECU tunes & chips are more similar than different at this point. The reality is even with all the advantages you speak of from a full ECU tune it only adds up to a few hundredths of a second quicker ETs, but surprisingly slower trap speeds & HP vs the top JB4 Stingers.

I love following your progress and happy that you & Tork put our Stingers on the map, but it’s unnecessary to keep trying to show your tunes superiority vs others. Be happy with your #1 spot and just let others be happy constantly trying to catch you.

 

[STINGER]

20s will slow you down for sure (more of the weight is further from the axis of rotation) but at least you'll be going down the track in style.

Completely agree, the 20's did a very noticeable difference with me, I noticed from the first time I drove the car that it felt lazier. It comes down to tire/wheel weight and tire diameter as well.

The question is will this also affect dyno numbers?

 

[STINGER]

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If it is not too late, I would go +50 or more in the rear. If I could go back again I would do +60 (I measured, there is enough space), I would rather put extra offset and worst case scenario you can add spacer down the line if you want to adjust it, rather than have it sticking out more than you would like and can't do anything about it. Just my opinion.

 

[Tonkabob]

Wow again, and now you’re really confusing me... So you’re saying your boost is setup backwards and you have more boost in first gear than 2nd-8th?

I’m pretty sure stock Stingers don’t provide 100% boost in first gear. Kia did this for multiple reasons, from helping with traction(rwd) to protecting the drivetrain from excessive strain, but your saying Tork increased your boost to 22psi just in 1st? Makes sense why you have quicker 0-60s but that’s gotta be really tough on the trans/differential, etc.

And yes according to your mod list in the 1/4m thread(Drag/Acceleration - The Official 1/4 mile track thread.)you have “more mods” or comparable mods to most other top Stingers. You did forget to include SSR DPs, and lightweight wheels above and hope that wasn’t on purpose, #hidemods JK JK

But yes just compared to Angel you also have an FMIC, full catback exhaust(vs deletes) & lightweight wheels. You also have higher launch RPM & hold more power between shifts vs a chip. Even with those advantages you still had slower traps, and the .1 quicker ET simply comes from your better launch & 60ft time.

Compared to STINGER & GetStung your different mods almost wash each other out, but they still have 1-3mph faster traps which means noticeably more HP.

Yes Map 5 & 8 add UP TO +7 & +8psi but most Stingers run about 12psi not 14psi. Think 14psi is an exception to the norm and unfair to assume that as the baseline for most JB4 Stingers. I have yet to see JB4 dynos pushing over 20psi even with WMI. Xot1 recently shared WOT map8 runs and maxed at 18.5psi with a +7.5psi target boost. So maxing at +8 target would only hit 19psi which is still almost 4psi less than your max boost.

Don’t get me wrong and I mean no disrespect. I know ECU tunes have many advantages and will be needed for the fastest Stingers. And I agree you have very consistent 11sec runs so you still hold the record for quickest 0-60 & 1/4m times. I’m simply trying to keep the facts straight and show that ECU tunes & chips are more similar than different at this point. The reality is even with all the advantages you speak of from a full ECU tune it only adds up to a few hundredths of a second quicker ETs, but surprisingly slower trap speeds & HP vs the top JB4 Stingers.

I love following your progress and happy that you & Tork put our Stingers on the map, but it’s unnecessary to keep trying to show your tunes superiority vs others. Be happy with your #1 spot and just let others be happy constantly trying to catch you.

If you want to count all the individual benefits of my tune as different mods then yes i have more mods. Also most the top 5 cars have aftermarket wheels and i took off the SSR midpipe and running the same times.
I hit 117, 118 at the hot track, 120 dragy. All the fastest cars are similar getstung a little faster and I'm sure the extra wmi cooling helps on the top end. Also all the top cars are GTs and mine is a GT2 + 100lbs
Turbos make more boost at lower rpm. In the quarter mile you are only below 4800 rpm in first gear. I can make 22 psi in any gear but need to manual shift. Stock doesn't limit boost in first gear and that would be a bad idea for an awd and that is the purpose of LC. Stock is 12-14 psi depending on iats. Only jb4 shows other readings. Manual boost gauges on my dyno run and on Michael Lockes car show 14 psi stock.
Getstung and especially Angel have great results but those results are not typical.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Completely agree, the 20's did a very noticeable difference with me, I noticed from the first time I drove the car that it felt lazier. It comes down to tire/wheel weight and tire diameter as well.

The question is will this also affect dyno numbers?

On a dynojet yes.. Back in the day there were a bunch of "dyno tricks" guys would use. Light as possible rear rims, over inflating the rear tires, etc, etc. Not huge gains but you could swing 1-2% that way.

 

[xot1]

On a dynojet yes.. Back in the day there were a bunch of "dyno tricks" guys would use. Light as possible rear rims, over inflating the rear tires, etc, etc. Not huge gains but you could swing 1-2% that way.

How is that a trick? lighter wheels is a good way to reduce drivetrain loss.

 

[Terry@BMS]

How is that a trick? lighter wheels is a good way to reduce drivetrain loss.

Guys would go nuts though and put on rims they would never actually race on. Like spare tires.

 

[Terry@BMS]

I love following your progress and happy that you & Tork put our Stingers on the map, but it’s unnecessary to keep trying to show your tunes superiority vs others. Be happy with your #1 spot and just let others be happy constantly trying to catch you.

It's unfortunate Tonka hitched his cart to Tork otherwise known as "John Bushbaum Scam", because he otherwise seems like a reasonable enough guy. But he's definitely in to bench racing. You come across those types on every forum. Just take their analysis with a heavy grain of salt IMHO.

 

[Tonkabob]

It's unfortunate Tonka hitched his cart to Tork otherwise known as "John Bushbaum Scam", because he otherwise seems like a reasonable enough guy. But he's definitely in to bench racing. You come across those types on every forum. Just take their analysis with a heavy grain of salt IMHO.

More like bucket racing. The buckets seats of my gray napa leather Stinger! Been to the track 3 times and its barley June! ☺

 

[Not Here Anymore]

For my car ,it doesn’t show the boost and I use for now only the RS RC a chip , so now with the few bolt on s , I will wait for the Ecu stage 2 tune to get finished

 

[Tonkabob]

It's unfortunate Tonka hitched his cart to Tork otherwise known as "John Bushbaum Scam", because he otherwise seems like a reasonable enough guy. But he's definitely in to bench racing. You come across those types on every forum. Just take their analysis with a heavy grain of salt IMHO.

I'm not selling anything, and have never gotten a discount. I've probably done more testing than just about anyone including 46, 11 second runs between dragy and track and before and after tests on all my self installed mods. I'm not even a fan boy as I've shown with my critisism of SSR midpipe fit and lack of performance gains. Same with no gains on the UP charge pipe. So no grain of salt needed.

 

[Not Here Anymore]

For my car ,it doesn’t show the boost and I use for now only the RS RC a chip , so now with the few bolt on s , I will wait for a good ECU TUNE