Tork Motorsports Intakes Now Available!!

[Onno P]

Thanx for answers guys.
Lot of opinions going both ways. Both valid. Raising eyebrows on ‘Dyno-proven’ though, since there is always a big blower in front of the car providing lots of cooling....

I love the sound and throttle response increase. Just decided for myself that on cold days there is enough cold-soak in the intercooler and in summer the fan will be operating cos the air con is on. A little hotter intake air won’t make much of a difference then.

I want them

 

[Jonathan Lasich]

Man you have made a habit of saying people are spreading negativity whenever they post something that isn't inline with your beliefs.

He made two simple points (which you've essentially agreed with);

1. The gains are modest. Non-biased (people with no dogin the fight) testing has shown these are likely to produce less than 4 whp over stock in unrealistically optimal conditions.
2. That if the engine is sucking in hot the car's performance will suffer. This isn't even debatable.

Look, we get it, you have a vested interest in these types of intakes being better than others. You've made that clear. But you really should accept everyone else's experience and research just as you want everyone to accept yours, instead of simply dismissing everyone as "spreading negativity" or "having no personal experience". C'mon dude!

I dont think anyone will deny that hot air produces less power than cold air. However, I highly doubt there would be any loss in performance. The dyno proven gains from these intakes range from a conservative 4HP to a more common 9-19HP. The much larger amount of airflow and quicker throttle response would easily offset any negative from heat. Also if there are any heat effects it would only be a small factor when stopped and sitting for a while. Otherwise any heat is drawn away from the engine/intake and replaced will cool air as soon as the car moves. Worst case scenario your 4-19HP gains are slightly decreased for the first moment coming from a full stop, but then you'd have the full gains for the rest of the run.

Again, I'm not saying theses intakes are perfect or exactly equal to a true in-fender CAI, but they're very close and even better with heat isolation like I posted above.

Tork MS, myself and many others are enjoying increased power from these style intakes regardless if some people are not willing to accept these facts. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to each their own, but its disappointing when people spread negativity in these threads without facts or personal experience with our Stingers to back it up. Just my $.02 and Happy Motoring team Stinger!

For some of us, the slight increase in underhood heat is less of an issue than significantly increased under hood noise. Some people like to better hear the "whoosh" from the turbo and the sound of the air "blow off" and some of us would like to keep everything quiet. Hopefully someone will come up with a high flow enclosed airbox soon.

 

[DiabloStinger]

It’s funny that this debate comes up all the time here. I’ve been building and driving fi cars for a long long time and have never seen so much banter about it before. Fyi for those installing this intake setup, use the stock clamp on the filter and the filter clamp on the stock intake hose.
Outside of that this is a twenty minute installation max. Great sound and a great price.

 

[Onno P]

It’s funny that this debate comes up all the time here.

My FI 350Z twin turbo upgrade takes the air from just behind the fender close to bottom plate. No hot air there. So this is new to me.

If you are on a forum dedicated to a first time performance car, with hundreds of members and some joining each day, you can expect that if a subject has not been mentioned for some time it will pop up again. On the 350Z forum i replied to the same subject several times over the years.

It's been discussed ad nauseam.

Thanks for the link, but stay nice to (ignorant) newcomers please..

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Man you have made a habit of saying people are spreading negativity whenever they post something that isn't inline with your beliefs.

He made two simple points (which you've essentially agreed with);

1. The gains are modest. Non-biased (people with no dogin the fight) testing has shown these are likely to produce less than 4 whp over stock in unrealistically optimal conditions.
2. That if the engine is sucking in hot the car's performance will suffer. This isn't even debatable.

Look, we get it, you have a vested interest in these types of intakes being better than others. You've made that clear. But you really should accept everyone else's experience and research just as you want everyone to accept yours, instead of simply dismissing everyone as "spreading negativity" or "having no personal experience". C'mon dude!

Incorrect. I’ve only stated that twice when uninformed or opinionated people jump into someone else’s positive thread with negative assumptions and no proof. Im just sharing personal experience specific to the Stinger, and documentation to the contrary of those statements so that type of fake news isn’t spread. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I’m including facts & experience instead of only one sided beliefs.

I agree the gains are modest(4-19Hp) and even include your one conservative 4whp improvement in my examples. However it was clarified before that Torks 16Hp is also a “non biased” dyno result, however your biased opinion won’t let you accept them too. Lastly, a stationary car with a fan in front is far from optimal conditions.You’d need a wind tunnel blowing 60-115mph winds to mimic real world conditions like a 1/4m run...

I also agree that if an engine is drawing warm air it will produce less power than cool air, but that would be far from a loss over increased power. I’ve also provided evidence and personal experience with our Stingers that proves that heat has little if no effect on its performance. You just choose to deny that any heat effects will only be a slight factor and only for a moment from a stop in the worst case scenario, not normal daily driving or track use.

Lastly, I have no vested interest with Tork MS or trying to say his or my DIY intakes are better than other intake systems. At least you, I and others have already proven with dynos that they’re better than restrictive stock sealed boxes and nobody seems to be debating that... I do however have vested interest in the truth and educating “Debbie downers” from spreading unproven opinions that’s trying to tarnish the OP thread.

If you actually read my posts you’d see that I have accepted others research, like your 4hp dyno, but that’s the only example provided(not even a loss in power like you claim)so the rest is simply one sided negative assumptions.

When you actually have evidence showing power losses on a Stinger from using these style intakes then I’d be happy to include those examples too, but up till this point you’re the one that should stop dismissing others evidence & research...

But as they say ignorance is bliss. Just wish you'd enjoy your bliss outside of other posters helpful and positive threads.

 

[Kamauxx]

when uninformed or opinionated people (translation: people who have done just as much homework as you, whose information you dismissively refer to as "uniformed, fake news, negativity" (#trumpisms101?)) ran into someone else’s positive thread with negative assumptions

Unfortunately I didn't have the patience to read any further than that one superiority complex of a statement to even bother with the rest of your tirade. I've tried dealing with you in a civil manner. I've tried to get you to see how your contemptuous attitude towards others ruins open dialogue (which, believe it or not many of us come here for).

Since I've failed miserably I'll just vacate this thread, hit the "unwatch" button, and leave the circus to the clown.

 

[Kamauxx]

Thanks for the link, but stay nice to (ignorant) newcomers please..

Absolutely.

I posted the link in hopes of saving Tork's thread by avoiding having the topic rehashed any further here.

Hope you found the information helpful.

 

[DiabloStinger]

It has been proven. That's why all car manufacturers have the engine air intake and filters enclosed with a tube attached to the box that directs air flow from outside the engine bay. It is not only to comply with regulation standards.
Also another reason why all high performance cars and endurance vehicles have air intake tunnels and tubes away from the engine compartment.

Manufacturers use black corrugated plastic and inefficient plastic boxes with panel filters. 95% of their focus is to preserve fuel economy by somewhat limiting (controlling) air flow. We can argue all day, but there really is no right answer because of so many variables. Like I said before, just do whatever you think looks and sounds great. Get your gains from exhaust manifolds through the tailpipes. Really no I’ll feelings, good convos.

 

[Terra]

Snce I've failed miserably I'll just vacate this thread, hit the "unwatch" button, and leave the circus to the clown.

Lol.... This is not the first time you are vacating a thread, you must be going back to your safe place...... Lol

 

[Got_Stinger]

For some of us, the slight increase in underhood heat is less of an issue than significantly increased under hood noise. Some people like to better hear the "whoosh" from the turbo and the sound of the air "blow off" and some of us would like to keep everything quiet. Hopefully someone will come up with a high flow enclosed airbox soon.

@STILLEN i believe has a closed box high flow design in the works.

I have found on anything turbo or supercharged that's intercooled an open filter generally produced more power. @Sales@Tork intake is probably the cheapest quality intake you will find for the price unless you do it yourself.

Stock vehicles may only see 5-7hp gains but when you start modify and tuning the intakes will be crucial for getting flow and power.

 

[Onno P]

With closed design most restrictive is the channel from fender to airbox. Do not have the car yet, but is there any room to widen that channel?

 

[Never thought]

If I remember the dyno correctly, these lose power at the low end and gain power at the high end. So technically everyone’s right

 

[Never thought]

@STILLEN i believe has a closed box high flow design in the works.

I have found on anything turbo or supercharged that's intercooled an open filter generally produced more power. @Sales@Tork intake is probably the cheapest quality intake you will find for the price unless you do it yourself.

Stock vehicles may only see 5-7hp gains but when you start modify and tuning the intakes will be crucial for getting flow and power.

You are correct. Stillen is about to come out with an enclosed air box. I’ve been waiting for that option. It will likely be out in 2-4 weeks.