Replacement Battery?

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It's impossible to talk to a car dealership at the moment but my GT2's battery is dead. Below zero here for days. Has anyone successfully replaced their battery before? Where did you purchase? Who's battery did you purchase? How was the installation and how long has it held up for you?

Thanks!
 
Does anyone know if the

ACDelco 49AGM​

is a direct replacement?
 
We need @Ah GetF to weigh in. He's obviously a car battery expert. Maybe flagging his handle will get him here.
 
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If I needed a battery today I would get it from the local costco. They have H8 agm's instock at a reasonable price with 3 yr replacement warranty.

Actually replacing it is not all that difficult assuming you have basic mechanical ability. It's in the trunk under the tire replacement tools/spare tire.

Don't mix up polarity and remember to reconnect the vent tube. And yes, I believe group 49 is the same as H8 (H7 for the 2.xL engines).

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DieHard H8 in the trunk of the other car. Local parts store had an H8. I knew it was right when I saw how heavy it was. lol

Anyway, hooked it up to an agm-compatible trickle-charger overnight since it's getting to -10 again. But I need to install it in sub-zero tomorrow. Now I have to figure out how to get the hatch open with no power.

THANKS!!
 
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AGM is not a style of battery and it means nothing to its performance.

AGM is the blotting material sandwiched between the plates to hold the electrolyte there and nothing more. A sponge

It is Absorbed Glass Fibre Matt. (AGM) A blotter. It sucks up sulphuric acid between the plates like a sponge. Thats all it is.

The "technology" is actually SLA.....or Sealed Lead Acid Battery.

It's full name is Sealed Recombination Lead Acid Battery because the Hydrogen (H) and Oxygen (O) which is given off during charging, recombines to form "water" H 2 O,............or 2 parts Hydrogen One part oxygen...... which when recombined to form water....... replenishes the cell.

So to describe is at an AGM battery is pointless. Means nothing.

May as well call it "A Plastic": because that's the container it comes in.

So folks that superior technology you are buying because it is "AGM"

It has a sponge in it..................
 
Actually, AGM does have some definitive advantages over good ol' flooded lead acid batts. Because of the way the electrolyte is suspended, the electrodes are not simply lead plates hanging in a pool of acid, the way most flooded type are. Instead, the electrodes are packed tightly sandwiched between layers of electrolyte-saturated glass fiber matts (thus the name sake). This type of construction carry several performance benefits:

1. Quite often the density of AGM packaging is substantially higher than the typical hanging plate flooded cell. This allows each cell to be capable of producing higher current, even though the voltage is roughly equivalent to flooded (fully-charge voltage of AGM is actually slightly higher). The downside is the higher density means more weight. If you compare the AGM vs. flooded cell batts of the same size, the former can weigh a good bit more, and have higher rated CCA and reserve capacity.

2. Because of the tightly sandwiched layers offering far better inherent structural support, AGM batts are much less susceptible to shock and vibration, and, overall, have longer service life potential. Some, like the Optima batteries, have the layered sandwich wrapped in cylindrical cells, further enhancing the robustness of those AGM batts. This, to me, is the most valuable advantage of AGM batts.

3. Because of the sealed construction and electrolyte suspended in glass matting, not only can an AGM batt be positioned/mounted in any orientation, it also is immune to linear (accel/decel) and lateral (cornering) G-forces generated by the car. Those of us who track our cars do appreciate this part. In everyday driving, perhaps not as much.

4. Because battery mfrs typically offer AGM as the "premium" choice, with longer warranties, they tend to build them better. Whilst this is not an inherent benefit of AGM, it is nevertheless the outcome of mfr marketing choice affecting product quality. At least, this is the trend here in the USA.

5. Low maintenance. No need to top off electrolyte level in each cell periodically. Might not be a big deal, but a difference nonetheless.
 
Well dang, that pair of posts was information alright. Thanks, guys.
 
The OEM battery in my 22 GT Elite (GT2) lasted less than a year. As I was in a bind and needed it fixed “now” I bought another battery and replaced it myself. It was an easy R&R. I didn’t want the hassle of getting the car to a dealer and then playing the dance with the dealer. I got an Odessy AGM at a local battery store.

One other benefit of AGM batteries is that they do not leak if the case gets cracked/broken. When Optima batteries first came out decades ago, I saw a video of an Optima battery powering a cutting tool that was cutting off the bottom half of the battery with no acid leaking out. That sure sold me on AGM batteries.
 
If I needed a battery today I would get it from the local costco. They have H8 agm's instock at a reasonable price with 3 yr replacement warranty.

Actually replacing it is not all that difficult assuming you have basic mechanical ability. It's in the trunk under the tire replacement tools/spare tire.

Don't mix up polarity and remember to reconnect the vent tube. And yes, I believe group 49 is the same as H8 (H7 for the 2.xL engines).

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+1 for Costco Kirkland batteries
I don't have one in my Stinger, but had 1 in my previous car. They are my first choice to recommend and will be my first choice to replace mine when needed - best value.
 
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Now I have to figure out how to get the hatch open with no power.

Hook up to the boost terminals under the hood/bonnet. Then you can open the trunk normally, with the power liftgate buttons.
 
There is nothing like marketing.

SLA batteries (I refuse to call them AGM because it means nothing) have been in service in the millions since the late 1980s. Mostly you will find them in telephone exchanges and Mobile Telephone (Cellphone) base stations.

I personally sold about a million on period contracts.

So the advantages of these batteries is low maintenance. They don't require watering. They also have thicker lead plates than standard car batteries so they last longer. The failure mechanism of most car lead acid batteries is the wafer thin lead plates corrode away on charge. Yep charging them destroys them. Ironic isn't it?

Keeping a battery charged with a trickle charger and never discharging it will make it last 20 to 30 years............

The second advantage is you can lay them on their side. That's why they use the blotting material between the plates. It keeps them moist and the blotter has a wicking effect. It draws the starved electrolyte along the blotter.

No it is not Gel. It is liquid. Gel is used in very cheap batteries ie 7 amphour alarm system batteries. But Gel is also used in 15 to 20 year tubular plate batteries (like the shelf in your fridge) to enable the gel to get around the cylindrical plates. These batteries are typically low discharge for solar use.

Disadvantages of SLA batteries though is they are sealed. And when they are sealed they cannot be boost charged. If they are they can bow into a balloon or blow up. They will expel Hydrogen and oxygen through the vent. This is tubed to the outside in a car. That results in loss of water and reduces the life of the cell.

AGM is another way of saying "look at me" in reality it is a low maintenance lead acid battery that has been around for decades and now.....battery manufacturers have found a new market.
 
As if AGM didn't have enough marketing wank...

I've been seeing a newer "category" of battery for sale everywhere which is "supposed" to be better than SLA, but cheaper than AGM..

Introducing , the EFB - Enhanced Flooded Battery...
Feels like marketing wank, but I see them all over


 
As if AGM didn't have enough marketing wank...

I've been seeing a newer "category" of battery for sale everywhere which is "supposed" to be better than SLA, but cheaper than AGM..

Introducing , the EFB - Enhanced Flooded Battery...
Feels like marketing wank, but I see them all over


Ha ha great work. The lead acid battery is the same technology since Gaston Plante invented it in 1859. Try and build the better mouse trap.
 
Ha ha great work. The lead acid battery is the same technology since Gaston Plante invented it in 1859. Try and build the better mouse trap.
Looks like you know a thing or two about batteries. Do you have anything to say about lithium ones, besides the cost? I've been using mine ( antigravity brand) for couple of years. No complaints so far.
 
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One could argue the internal combustion engine is old technology as well. Nicolaus August Otto invented the first 4-cycle engine in 1861. Otto Cycle, the thermodynamic principle, on which all gasoline engines operate - even to this day - remain valid and unchanged. Has this "old technology" been steadily refined and improved upon, over three centuries? One would be retarded to argue otherwise.

While the good old lead acid battery couldn't quite match the glamour and level of sophistication achieved by the gasoline engine over the decades, it too has been tweaked and refined upon. AGM is but one such refinement.

However, just like any other technology, including the gasoline engine, an "improvement" would only be accepted by consumers, if it carries some tangible benefits. Otherwise, it would just be advertising fluff. So, does AGM have any tangible benefits? Or, is it just... fluff? Judging by the rather widespread adoption of AGM, it would be hard to argue it is all just advertising smoke and mirrors.

One only needs to look at the powersport world to know just how AGM has dominated that industry. Since I got back to riding in 2010, I have had no less than 20 motorcycles - all of them came with AGM batteries. Now, these are major powersport mfrs - not easily bamboozled general public - that spec/purchase these arguably more expensive batteries. Why? Simple. Those advantages I posted above in my post #7:

1. Higher power density. Unlike in cars and trucks, motorcycle have very limited spaces. Every cubic centimeter is precious. AGM allows mfrs to spec smaller form factor batteries into smaller spaces convention lead acid flooded types cannot fit in. That... is a major advantage.

2. Sealed case. That AGM can be mounted in any orientation further allows motorcycle mfrs to get creative with battery placement and optimize weight distribution. On a motorcycle, this is of utmost importance.

3. Gas recombination. With old flooded lead acid, there needs to be a vent and/or overflow tube that runs to the bottom of the bike. This restricts battery placement to where the tube routing can be feasible.

4. Shock/vibration resistance. On any ICE road vehicle, this is a constant problem a battery needs to content with. Some motorcycles are particularly susceptible to this. Next to heat, shock and vibration is the #2 destroyer of batteries. AGM offer another major advantage here.

On a car/truck, all these advantages are still very much relevant, albeit to varying degrees. Take gas recombination, for example. Since the battery is mounted in the same interior air space as the passenger cabin, Kia had to install a vent/overflow tube from the OEM battery through the trunk floor. This is due to a major safety concern, since allowing the highly combustible hydrogen gas generated in a open flooded cell lead acid batt to permeate the passenger cabin would be rather dangerous. AGM requires no such vent/overflow tube. Zero chance of such vent tube accidentally coming loose.

Power density can also be of sizable benefit, especially to those who live up in the frigid northern tundra. Pretty sure most folks understand that battery loses its efficacy in colder temp. This is why batteries always carry CCA (Cold Cranking Amps) rating. AGMs, due to its construction, are able to maintain its CCA better in extreme low ambient temps open-cell flooded types. Well, if you live in a warm climate, you might not care. That's understandable. However, there are a lot of northern folks who do.

I could go on, but the end of the day, all these benefits of AGM adds up to greater service life potential. That is what most consumer really care about most. I bought my first AGM back around 2012, for my 2009 Genesis 3.8 sedan. It was still on that car when I donated it some 9yrs later. I tested it with my battery load tester before it left, and it was still going strong and, who knows, probably might've lasted a few more yrs. Prior to that, I seldom had an automotive battery that lasted more than 4yrs. From most folks I've talked to, that is the general trend for old flooded cell lead acid batts.

Nobody is holding a gun to anybody's head to buy any particular type. We decide what we each prefer to get. For me, that's AGM for cars and LiFeSO4 for motorcycles... at least as of now.
 
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The term AGM as if it is some wonderful new technology is crap. As I have described, marketing has hit on a term describing the blotting material stuffed between the plates to keep them moist, It doesn't do anything else.
There is little you can do to improve lead acid which is why manufacturers have moved onto something else.

In lead acid batteries amphours are based on weight......

The weight of the lead. The more lead there is the more amphours there are.

You can't make lead smaller. You also have to do things like allow for the posts to grow. Lead acid batteries actually grow. The challenge with sealed is to have enough room inside the batteries for the plates to move whilst keeping it "sealed" Most SLA batteries leak eventually. Around the posts.

The real reason why SLA (starved electrolyte) batteries are slightly smaller than conventional flooded batteries is not because of the Absorbed Glass Fibre Mat. but because they have less liquid. The clues were in the names.

An SLA battery has much less electrolyte and it is not slopping around. It is suspended in the AGM. Liquid equals weight and size. 1 litre (of water) weighs 1 kilo (isn't metric great).

I remember when Sealed batteries were first sold into the car racing market in the 90s. They bought them because they didn't spill. They also bought them made with pure lead plates (SLA batteries are largely lead alloy because they charge and discharge better but they rot more (corrosion forms in the gaps between the alloy and the lead in the plates).

Pure lead however is rolled and rolled compressing the molecules so that there is little room for corrosion. BUT they have worse overall performance. They can also be stored for 12 months or more without requiring a recharge so a racing car can be wheeled out of storage and it will start.

We were putting SLA batteries into cars in the early 90s. They weren't designed for that. Thats when customers sent them back after breaking a terminal with heavy hands and we would throw them into a company car. They were sold as a 10 year life battery so why wouldn't you.

They want to get away from this AGM lingo. It's an SLA Battery but I guess they are trying to subvert those who have taken a standard flooded cell and sealed it up.

Other problems with SLA batteries is thermal runaway but as those here are only intersted in a sing;e block with 6 internal cells it is likely. When you have strings of 2 volt cells each the physical size of a car battery in a room then you have a problem if the chargers go crazy.
 
Two things.

1. Replaced in zero degree weather this AM and going strong. Only came in twice to thaw fingers out for a minute. Heavy thing, too.

2. I off-handedly call it an AGM battery because, I've been told, the type of charger you can use is different. If folks want to wring their hands over AGM and other battery types they can create their own thread instead of dragging this essentially closed thread further off-topic.
 
Looks like you know a thing or two about batteries. Do you have anything to say about lithium ones, besides the cost? I've been using mine ( antigravity brand) for couple of years. No complaints so far.
Lithium is a completely different technology. They have found a way to pack more amphours into the size. They have found a way for it to charge very quickly whereas lead acid batteries take standard 10 hours no matter how big the charger. You can get 50% in very quickly into a lead acid. It is the other 50% that's the problem. Batteries are capacitors. They charge on time constants. (But so does any battery). If you pick a time of say 1 hour to charge to 50% then in the same time again you can only get another 63.2% of the remainder in. In the third hour you can only get 63.2% of that remainder in and so it goes. It's maths and you can't change it. You might get 80% in after 6 hours but it takes another 4 hours to get nearly all the remaining 20% in. Typically though it could be 24 hours. You can never charge a battery fully as there is always 63.2% of the remainder to charge. It gets ever smaller but never "full" but close enough....

Elon Musk has been perfecting EV batteries with Panasonic. This has been going on for decades in labs though. The trade off is the massive heat on discharge and having big roadside chargers. The only reason it takes a long time to charge at home is that domestic power supplies coming into a home are small. I have been a DC Power guy my whole life. We were working with solar arrays in the 90s powering radio sites well before people knew what they were. Yet I don't have one solar panel on my roof and I bought a new Stinger last year when I could have bought an electric car with half the features for the same price.

By the way I still have not seen an EV6 on the road in 12 months though they flogged them here during the Australian Open a year ago. They are currently flogging the EV9.

Anyone who thinks batteries are getting more compact. Not by much. An EV6 which to me is a relatively small car, weights 2.5 tonnes!
 
Two things.

1. Replaced in zero degree weather this AM and going strong. Only came in twice to thaw fingers out for a minute. Heavy thing, too.

2. I off-handedly call it an AGM battery because, I've been told, the type of charger you can use is different. If folks want to wring their hands over AGM and other battery types they can create their own thread instead of dragging this essentially closed thread further off-topic.

Well thats rubbish

I have been in charging system (rectifiers) as long as batteries.

If it's a charger charging at 2.2 volts per cell it can charge flooded or sealed.

An alternator is a charger remember.

It is closed now.

Because I am finished.

And it is 36C here today. That's nearly 100 in ancient lingo. We changed to metric in what 1970?.
 
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