Paddle shifting

[CoconutRob]

I never owned a car with paddle shift but another feature about the stinger I love. I have read a few driving reviews about the auto trans shifting well before red line and useless paddles. Is this just press production and something that can be retuned or calibrated? If not this is a very big negative for me. Can't wait to go to local dealer Saturday, dark blue stinger on display.

 

[Chris]

I never owned a car with paddle shift but another feature about the stinger I love. I have read a few driving reviews about the auto trans shifting well before red line and useless paddles. Is this just press production and something that can be retuned or calibrated? If not this is a very big negative for me. Can't wait to go to local dealer Saturday, dark blue stinger on display.

I'm 99.9% sure you will not be able to "tune or adjust" the paddle shifters. I have a optima SX with paddle shifters and you cannot alter how they work. Even in manual mode it shifts for you if you don't. I just watched a new video on the Australian production stinger today and it seems even worse then my optima. There is no dedicated manual mode so even with the paddles it will not hold a gear if it doesn't sense it should. IMO the trans is the really only weak part of this car. I've driven the g80 and the Hyundai/Kia 8 speed just doesn't hold a candle to the dual clutch 8 speed in a lot of rivals. (BMW, Jaguar) I drove the Jag XE the other day and those shifts are quick like lightning. Using the paddles it would hold that gear until you shifted.. obviously I haven't driven the Stinger yet, but exact same trans in the g80 is a bit of a let down.

 

[CoconutRob]

What I meant is would Kia retune or alter the shifting on the full production models.

 

[moinmoin]

I'm 99.9% sure you will not be able to "tune or adjust" the paddle shifters. I have a optima SX with paddle shifters and you cannot alter how they work. Even in manual mode it shifts for you if you don't. I just watched a new video on the Australian production stinger today and it seems even worse then my optima. There is no dedicated manual mode so even with the paddles it will not hold a gear if it doesn't sense it should. IMO the trans is the really only weak part of this car. I've driven the g80 and the Hyundai/Kia 8 speed just doesn't hold a candle to the dual clutch 8 speed in a lot of rivals. (BMW, Jaguar) I drove the Jag XE the other day and those shifts are quick like lightning. Using the paddles it would hold that gear until you shifted.. obviously I haven't driven the Stinger yet, but exact same trans in the g80 is a bit of a let down.

The shifting behaviour may depend on the chosen driving mode, particularly Sport or Sport+?

 

[Chris]

The shifting behaviour may depend on the chosen driving mode, particularly Sport or Sport+?

For sure. But it appears that even in sport mode it still will not hold a gear while using the paddles.

 

[moinmoin]

For sure. But it appears that even in sport mode it still will not hold a gear while using the paddles.

Well, we'll find out how it really works, once we get to drive it.

 

[Taimaishoo]

I have a Genesis Coupe and have no problem holding a gear with the paddles while in manual mode. In sports mode, the transmission seemed to wait just a bit longer before shifting and seemed to shift faster. Once you hit a paddle or the gear shift while in sports mode, you are now in manual mode and can use the gear shift or the paddles on the wheel to up or down shift. Now, granted, if I red line it (usually around 6800RPM) while using the paddles in manual mode, It will shift for me and my guess is so that I don't blow/seize the engine. I'm good with that.

 

[CoconutRob]

Nice, thankyou. And the stinger has the exact same transmission

 

[Chris]

I have a Genesis Coupe and have no problem holding a gear with the paddles while in manual mode. In sports mode, the transmission seemed to wait just a bit longer before shifting and seemed to shift faster. Once you hit a paddle or the gear shift while in sports mode, you are now in manual mode and can use the gear shift or the paddles on the wheel to up or down shift. Now, granted, if I red line it (usually around 6800RPM) while using the paddles in manual mode, It will shift for me and my guess is so that I don't blow/seize the engine. I'm good with that.

As I was afraid of according to this new review by Top Gear the paddle shifters only keep the transmission in manual mode for 10 seconds. They are basically worthless at that point.

See review here:
https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/kia/33-t-gdi-gt-s-5dr-auto/first-drive

The V6 drives via eight automatic gears - there’s no manual option - and even the paddles only override the auto-shifting for ten seconds. Because supposedly, American and Korean buyers only click a paddle once in a blue moon, for a quick overtake perhaps. Only Europeans like to take full control, we’re told. Are we sure? Hmmm.​

 

[TomTom26]

If you "work" with the gears it does not return to automatic.
When you not push the accelerator the automatic take over.
It works probably in my Sportage GT Line with DCT.
The Automatic works the same...

 

[Taimaishoo]

As I was afraid of according to this new review by Top Gear the paddle shifters only keep the transmission in manual mode for 10 seconds. They are basically worthless at that point.

See review here:
https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/kia/33-t-gdi-gt-s-5dr-auto/first-drive

The V6 drives via eight automatic gears - there’s no manual option - and even the paddles only override the auto-shifting for ten seconds. Because supposedly, American and Korean buyers only click a paddle once in a blue moon, for a quick overtake perhaps. Only Europeans like to take full control, we’re told. Are we sure? Hmmm.​

I misstated in my post. There is no manual mode on my Genesis Coupe. It is 'sport mode'. While in sports mode, it delays shifting to a higher RPM than 'drive' does; about 2500-3000 RPMs instead of the normal 1800-2000. If you tap the paddles or the gear box while in drive mode, it will hold whatever you shift to for about 10 seconds before returning to drive mode. If you tap the paddles or gear box while in 'sport' mode, it will hold the gear until you change it, you redline, or you drop enough speed in which the RPMs drop below the supported the gear and it will automatically downshift. So, technically, no, there is no 'manual' mode. But sport mode does give one enough of a 'manual' feel to consider it 'manual' mode

 

[Terra]

This is what I read in one of the Australian reviews..

On both engines, the Stinger’s in-house gearbox is an obvious weak point, slurring between shifts and missing out on a strict manual mode. Instead, you can use the steering wheel paddle shifters to control the ratios, but the system will eventually override to self-changing when left untouched or when reaching redline. (We later discover you can have a manual mode in the gearbox, but you need to properly disengage stability control by turning the systems off, and then performing a launch control sequence.)

This sounds like good news, but no one else mention anything like this which worries me.

 

[STINGER]

This is one of the negative parts for me in the Stinger, manual mode is manual mode the car shouldn't shift for you at redline.

What is frustrating is that the production G70 according to an article will not shift automatically like the Stinger when using the paddles.

 

[Charly]

I really like the idea of shifting at redline. I wish my car did. Instead of shifting it just stops accelerating. Damn manual transmission and electronic nanny.

 

[Chris]

I really like the idea of shifting at redline. I wish my car did. Instead of shifting it just stops accelerating. Damn manual transmission and electronic nanny.

I don't really mind it shifting at redline, although there is no reason for it to. A rev limiter would stop any damage just as well. What I am really concerned with is it not staying in the gear I select unless I'm shifting every 10 seconds or do some magic prayer to the transmission gods before starting the car. If I'm driving through a canyon road I might want it to be 8n third gear for 20 minutes straight. I shouldn't have to have stability control turned off and have used launch control to do this.
This is another really basic feature that my 27k 4 year old optima already has that seems to be missing in this 50k+ "brand changing car"

 

[Charly]

I don't really mind it shifting at redline, although there is no reason for it to. A rev limiter would stop any damage just as well. What I am really concerned with is it not staying in the gear I select unless I'm shifting every 10 seconds or do some magic prayer to the transmission gods before starting the car.

I want the car to shift at the point where the rev limiter would kick in. I don't bang into the rev limiter often but when I do it's inadvertent. My goal is to shift before the rev limiter spoils all the fun. I'm not that good a driver that I don't normally appreciate ABS, stability control, and rev limiters and if the car will shift for me when I over rev it rather than cutting power then that's great.

I agree with you that the lack of a mode that's easily selectable, includes stability control, and lets me select the gear with the paddle shifters is a flaw. Kinda sounds like sport mode, doesn't it? I'll accept shift-at-redline and shift-to-first-after-a-stop, though.

 

[davebo]

First no yellow in America now this? I'm starting to think I should just wait a year and see what the change for a 2019 model.

 

[CoconutRob]

First no yellow in America now this? I'm starting to think I should just wait a year and see what the change for a 2019 model.

That's my plan

 

[Brian Keenan]

I kind of like the shift at red line. There's no need for me to continue pushing the car at that point.

 

[CHC]

I really hope the programming for the paddle shifters will indeed hold until redline, and not upshift within seconds if it detects that there is no user input at a mid to high RPM, such as going around a ramp while holding the gear at 3-4k rpm...

I did see the car in person this weekend, and got a feel for them though, and they felt good. Obviously couldn't test drive the car since it was in a showroom, but the paddles felt pretty good for what they were... however they were composed of plastic so not sure how they will stand up through years of use. Tactile feel was pretty good, you could feel it 'click' when toggled and it wasn't mushy from previous paddles that I experienced. In terms of response, delay, and rev-matching on downshifting... will how to see how that is when we all go for a test drive.

One thing I noticed though in the Korean spec Stinger... When you completely floor the gas pedal, it seemed that it was like a two-stage... I felt that there was a "click" or notch when you completely floor it all the way... if you don't depress with enough pressure, you won't activate this... I am guessing that this only affects that throttle reponse?